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Is it me? Is it him? It has been a while.

105 replies

Itsbeenalongwhile · 19/06/2021 14:00

Longstanding member, NC for this thread.
Apologies this may be long.

We met online 7 months ago. We clicked from the start and were constantly in contact a few times each day. And after a month of texts, calls and video calls we met up face to face.
I am 44 and he is 50. We both have DC. We both have very good jobs. We live 1 hour 15mins apart. I have been separated 2 years & 8 months. He has been separated 14 months.

After a few weeks, we got intimate. He has ED but we still have a very fulfilling time. He is an excellent and generous lover.

We used to talk alot, laugh a lot and chat about various things. Over time, as we were now intimate, the less we chatted about other stuff and the more time we spent being intimate. I would try to get us doing other stuff and he also said he wanted us to do other things together - watch movies, cook, go to the park, dine out but he always said we have so little time to spend together that he didn't want to waste it on mundane things and we would end up being intimate. He was always affectionate. He has been saying he loves me.

Then a lady he met online and wanted to date but she decided to go with another guy after they had met face to face, got back in touch because she and her guy had broken up.
He said he wanted to be friends with her. He invited her to his home in the evening, they had coffee together then went on a long walk (2.5hours) together, got back went and bought fish and chips, brought it back to his around 9:00pm had dinner and she left his around 11pm. I didn't hear from him that day.

He would not go for walks with me because he felt uncomfortable to be seen in his town with another woman. The day before he went on that long walk, he was feeling upset with his ex and I was meant to come and stay over to be with him. He cancelled saying that my being there would not make him happy.

I told him I was not comfortable with this friendship but he insisted and said he needed to build a support network. His marriage had been very controlling, it made him very ill physically.

He met up with this lady friend of his again another day. I didn't hear from him that day. I messaged him later that night to find out how he was and how their meeting up went.
He responded by saying he felt controlled by me, he felt he had to explain himself and his friendships to me, he couldn't continue to walk on eggshells around me, he said all I wanted was sex (we weren't really doing PIV, he has ED), that he wanted a proper relationship and that his instincts are telling him we aren't right for each other.
I was taken aback and really upset. It was such a 180° from the conversations we were having the day before where he said he wanted to be my rock, to be the person I turn to for support and advice.

My understanding from that message was that he was ending things. I called him to chat and understand what has gone on. We talked for a bit and I called him out on the false things he had said. He said he needed a few days to think. I didn't hear back from him for 3 days, by then though I was really upset, I had made my peace with it and messaged him to ask for my stuff that was at his place and wish him all the best. He replied that he would bring them to me and would like to chat.

We met up, he apologised for how unfair he had been to me, how poorly he had handled things and explained that his instincts are messed up, his history has got him being suspicious of everyone but he knew that it was not easy to meet someone you have a strong connection with and get on with so well. Long story short, I collected my stuff from him but I decided to give it another go.

Since then as much as I have tried to get us do non-sexual activities, he will be eager to do the activities but he still tries to steer things to intimacy. He is less affectionate, he doesn't get in touch like previously but he will message a good morning and a good night, he doesn't make a lot of effort to make arrangements to meet up and he has stopped saying 'I love you'. But when we do get to speak on calls, he will chat away as he has always done and is forthcoming with what he has been upto, he will tell me I look nice etc. He will still try to turn the chat sexual. I don't follow him when he does that. We met up recently for after work drinks and dinner after not seeing each other for over a week and I told him I was so looking forward to seeing him. I asked how much he was looking forward to seeing me and he said 7/10. I felt that was a low score.

I was never much of a dater before I married and I married the 3rd person I ever dated. And that was a long time ago. I feel poorly equipped to understand what is going on here.

I feel like the relationship is regressing..i miss how we used to be... I feel like something is off.
Or is this the normal course of relationships? Is he leading me on? Are we just sex buddies? Or am I expecting too much from a relationship?
Please, give me your thoughts.
Thank you if you managed to get to the end.

OP posts:
Itsbeenalongwhile · 20/06/2021 10:30

Thank you so much everyone for your responses.
Father's day today and he has his DC, feels very uncomfortable not to sent a message.

After his walk with his friend, we did go on a walk together. He later said it was only because of the chance of bumping into his DC. That was different from the original reason he gave. But it doesn't matter really, either way, I have been a pushover and he is just using me to fill up his time. He is bidding his time until he finds his 'woman of substance'.

In the beginning, he kept going on about one of the things he liked about me was because I had a good professional job, I was intelligent, I was confident, I could talk about a variety of topics and I was feisty.
Then when we were having the chat about what happened that he suddenly found me controlling etc, he mentioned that he wanted to have a woman of substance (intimating that he was looking for one).

I have been so stupid. I am very uncomfortable with how I have been such a pushover.

I know there are more serious problems going on in the world, I just feel sad and kinda empty. I miss him. The him that I met in the beginning.

OP posts:
Blossomandbee · 20/06/2021 13:13

You will feel sad and empty of course, but you will feel better in time and you will look back and see this all more clearly. The person you fell for who he portrayed himself as isn't real and is not who he really is.
It also makes no sense that he doesn't want to walk with you in case he's seen, but happily walks around with another woman. The whole thing is very suspicious and doesn't add up.
I would just block him and move on. I know it's hard but I think you should protect yourself and your heart and not let him mess with you anymore.

minty133 · 20/06/2021 13:32

He's just not that into you. Maybe read the book with that title.

NeedNewKnees · 20/06/2021 13:38

You deserve better. Bin him, buy yourself something fabulous to wear and move on with your limp-dick-free life.
Flowers

DoingItMyself · 20/06/2021 13:49

I got to the end. I had my answer before half-way through. I haven't read responses.

Ah, you've found yourself a serial shagger. He didn't want 'intimacy' (sounds so coy!) he wanted whatever passes for sex for him. He wanted to sex you, and to be free to sex other people too. That's what he still wants.

You want to be in a relationship with someone. You aren't in a relationship with him. You feel it, he doesn't.

So, here are your options:
Block him, he's a time-waster. No regrets, you enjoyed the ride.
Hang around and let him use you. Not so much fun. You'll get sad.
Keep him onside to use him. If he's really that good.

The option 'Hang around hoping he'll choose you for a long-term relationship' doesn't really exist.

Ooh, I've spotted your update. Yes, you have a clear understanding of the situation, except for one thing.

Don't feel foolish. You aren't 'a pushover'. You acted in good faith. At best, it was miscommunication between you, at worst he's a blaggard. Neither is your fault. Go forward with your head held high.

And look for one who can stick it in. That way, contentment lies. Grin

Greentrianglesarethebestones · 20/06/2021 13:54

OP, if a treasured friend of yours, or even a Mumnset stranger, had posted what you've posted, what would you advise them? Would you feel that they were being treated respectfully and kindly by this man?

Why do you deserve any less? The answer is, you absolutely don't.

This is a lot of drama and ups and downs that you don't need in your life. You deserve better than this. Everyone does. You deserve to be with someone who makes you feel good about yourself, not anxious and worried and insecure.

He's messing you around. He's taking advantage of your kindness by telling you a tall tale of his vulnerability whilst exploiting your honest nature. It's probably hard for you to comprehend why anyone would be unkind in this way because you wouldn't dream of treating someone else like this. But that's what men like this count on.

Please do yourself a kindness and get rid of this loser, and don't fall into the trap of still feeling you should be kind about it. Just message him to tell him it's not working for you and wish him luck (if you must) and then block him before he either tries to talk to round or gets abusive because he doesn't like thar you're not doing what you're "supposed" to.

billy1966 · 20/06/2021 13:59

Thank godess you are getting rid of this user.

OP, you really need to sit with and reflect on how he treated you and that he was able to get away with it for so long.

You sound like a lovely woman who deserves so much better.

Flowers
AtrociousCircumstance · 20/06/2021 16:30

Well done OP. I know it’s shit. But it’ll pass before you know it Flowers

reader12 · 20/06/2021 16:42

I don’t think you should be giving yourself a hard time. He was nice at first and made you feel good, and then he stopped being nice and you recognised you were unhappy and ended it. I think you’ve done well!

Next!

IAmAWomanNotACis · 20/06/2021 18:28

Given how much emphasis he has put on a woman of substance, I think i would tell him that I was splitting up with him to find a man of more substance Wink

Itsbeenalongwhile · 20/06/2021 22:27

And look for one who can stick it in. That way, contentment lies. grin

This made me laugh. Thank you. I could do with some cheering up. I feel silly feeling sad about the end of a relationship that I have not even told the other person that I am no longer interested.
Apart from a 'Good morning, had a tiring day yesterday'. I have not heard anything else from him. This has been both good and bad. Good as in it makes it quite clear to me that things have changed. Bad as in it is not a nice feeling to know someone is not thinking of you.
In the last two months, he has met up with this lady friend four times. He always tells me when he is meeting with her. And afterwards, tells me how much fun and banter they had etc. He genuinely sees it as being open and honest. Initially, after the day of their long walk, I thought he could become interested in her. He fought so hard to have that friendship. It felt like he was ready to end our relationship to have that friendship. He would not have anyone dictate who he could be friends with again (apparently his ex did this). At the second meeting with this friend, I genuinely felt that something must have happened with him (his feelings) or between them that triggered him telling me he felt controlled by me. He strongly denied it. I believed him. But I had this lingering feeling that something had changed in him. They have met two more times since then but he was a lot calmer about those meetings.

Given how much emphasis he has put on a woman of substance, I think i would tell him that I was splitting up with him to find a man of more substance

This made me smile. I can just see his face if I were to say this.

I have been doing some thinking today and I know that I really really liked him but I realised today that I have really fallen for him hard. I really like him. A lot. I have not gathered up the courage to message him yet. But I will.
I feel vulnerable right now and want to gather a little strength. I had been alone for a really long time and had been careful with meeting men. He was the first person I was able to just be myself. I have enjoyed having someone to chat with, someone to do things with, someone to love and receive affection from.... I dread going back to being on my own again. I dread going back to putting myself out there again.
However, this is no relationship. Thank you for all your insightful words.

OP posts:
Sandra15 · 20/06/2021 23:16

@Zerrin13

Please show this clown and his limp cock the door
Perfect!

Block him and delete him on all platforms and allow the landline to go to voicemail in case it is him. Don't even give him the courtesy of being dumped.

I hate ghosting, but this is one very deserving ghostee.

FlyNow · 21/06/2021 06:00

He genuinely sees it as being open and honest.

Does he though? Or is he negging you in a weird way?

Sally2791 · 21/06/2021 06:20

You can be sure he won’t be agonising over this as you are. Don’t waste your time thinking about him, it won’t end well. And don’t let him suck you back in with sob stories. Dump and move on.

Inthesameboatatmo · 21/06/2021 06:27

After 7 months hes acting like this, I wouldnt be so surprised if it was 7 weeks.
I absolutely hate ghosting but I think in this case it is well deserved.
Block,delete and move on with life my lovely.
You can and will find someone so much better and as soon as this new woman realises he cant get it up she will probably block as well.
Karma is a bitch.

SheepGoBaaaa · 21/06/2021 06:48

@FlyNow

He genuinely sees it as being open and honest.

Does he though? Or is he negging you in a weird way?

Yes, OP, he’s just trying to get you to do the ‘pick me’ dance, and it’s worked! Please just end it. I have an awful feeling you’re softening towards him again, like the time you went to collect your stuff.
Wegobshite · 21/06/2021 06:48

Fuck that’s shit
He can’t have sex because of his ED he treats you like shit and you keep going back for more - just why all the drama

Tell him you need a relationship with someone who can have actually have proper sex and it’s not working for you anymore - well it’s not working for him either - but that’s his dick to deal with 😂

timeisnotaline · 21/06/2021 07:20

He's been on a fucking date whilst seeing you and somehow managed to get you to feel that this was vaguely acceptable. not only this but also it’s a date he wouldn’t go on with you (yes fine he did afterwards when blind freddy could see what a hypocrite he is but would you really count that?) , and you pushed for going out and spending more socialising time together but he didn’t go along with it. Then he blamed you for too much sex focus, I mean this hypocrite is so lacking in self awareness he probably doesn’t recognise his own face in a mirror.

Tulipsandviolets · 21/06/2021 07:38

He's keeping his options open with you and the other woman. Don't invest any more time in this man. He is messing you around and using you. You sound lovely OP. 7 out of 10 is mean give him 1 out of 10 for his limp willy. Flowers

spotcheck · 21/06/2021 07:56

I feel poorly equipped to understand what is going on here

He's dating other women in front of you, and manipulating/ shifting blame you so you don't make a fuss.

He genuinely sees it as being open and honest

Yes, so that he can shift blame again. If something progresses, then WILL just tell you that you knew. It will be your fault (again!) for getting upset.

bluejelly · 21/06/2021 08:06

So sorry that he's not the man you hoped he would be. Still it's good to know now than before you moved in together etc. Don't beat yourself up - it's definitely him, not you.
Dump, delete, block and move on. You will find your prince, but inevitably you'll have to kiss a few frogs on the way Smile

LunaNorth · 21/06/2021 08:10

I have really fallen for him hard

Bless you, OP. He’s truly awful. There are so much nicer men out there than this limp lothario, and you sound so lovely that you’re bound to meet one.

But being on your own can be great too. Have you thought about taking some time to really heal and get to know yourself? That way you can build some boundaries so that you attract better men, and will be less likely to put up with nonsense like this fool is dishing out.

‘A woman of substance’. Who the hell does he think he is? Does he watch a lot of 80s miniseries probably does actually

thenewduchessofhastings · 21/06/2021 08:11

I'd expect exclusively in a relationship after 7 months together.The thing with the OW he's saying is his friend is dodgy because you know there has been romantic interest there from both parties;I'd be wary of what exactly has gone on between the pair of them.He seems to be stringing you along.

Tbh he seems really hard work for a man with a limp dick.

You're 44;your still young;you can and will find a man who can offer you a more fulfilling relationship than one with a man who is mean with his time and physical affection.

Bridezillamaybe · 21/06/2021 08:36

Op you sound really lovely and you deserve better than this. I know it's hard when you've been on your own, not sure how it all works and what's acceptable or not.

I think this man is highly manipulative and you should let go of the idea that you are in any way responsible for this. This man is not a good man. The way he turned things back on you about the lady friend, reduced his affection, accused you of only looking for sex, being controlling like his ex, the nasty woman of substance remarks, the 7/10 stuff. It's nasty.

I don't think you should have a conversation with him or meet him to break up. I think it really is still simple - of its not making you happy then it's not right. I think he could talk you round as you miss the early days feeling with him. But it'll be just talk (again).

I'm sorry OP, I know the disappointment can be crushing. But telling yourself "I have my standards and it's up to you to meet them" is truly liberating. Say it, mean it and somebody far far better than him will come along.

Poorlykitten · 21/06/2021 08:41

You sound so lovely but this man is not. He’s not worth you, you are worthy of so much more.

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