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Online dating, ghosting

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morethanspice · 09/06/2021 10:16

Nothing new I guess but I’m so confused by someone I met on a site. Great online chemistry, met for coffee within a few days. The date got extended to a lovely walk and seat in the sunshine and an agreement to meet again. Follow up messages confirmed the mutual attraction. Then suddenly he stopped messaging and hasn’t opened my last one, a reply to his previous one.
I’m not stupid, his social media reflects what he told me and he was not particularly confident. Just lovely company and not sleazy at all.
I’m just feeling if this is how it is what on earth is the point. Suppose at least this one made it to an actual date.....

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FortunesFave · 09/06/2021 10:20

Depression? Fear? A sudden realisation he's not ready for a relationship?

Could be any one of those things. Or he might have met someone else.

Just move on...it's hard though I know.

Umberellatheweatha · 09/06/2021 10:25

Was your reply short? Maybe he saw it without needing to open the message.

Suprima · 09/06/2021 10:27

Coffee isn’t a date. Coffee you do with friends. Walking is also cheap however lovely you think it was.

It’s not particularly cool and liberal, but with OLD you have to have more of a conservative mindset (small c).

Men do cheap coffee dates to maximise seeing as many women as possible. Some will even do walks to make it even cheaper (free).

Men who invite you to a nice dinner have more skin in the game and will have invested time and money in seeing you again. When you are established you can go dutch or offer to treat him, but in the the very early meets- he must take you to a nice activity or meal that he organised.

I’m sure I’ll get a barrage of posters telling me about how they met their DP/DH and how they split everything/went for a walk/had coffee in the park- but unfortunately the goal posts have changed now. A lot of men who are OLD are chancers, looking for sex under the guise of ‘seeing where things go’ as they take you for walks around the park like a golden retriever.

If you want men who want a relationship and are so excited about you from your profile, only see those who suggest actual date-y activities for you to do.

morethanspice · 09/06/2021 10:27

He said he was going out for a bit and to have a great day and he’d message when back so I said ok Smilex

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Lovelydiscusfish · 09/06/2021 10:30

Well he wouldn’t need to open that to read it. My boyfriend does this a lot - just reads my shorter messages without opening them - till I worked it out I often used to decide he was ignoring me!

How long since you heard from him OP?

morethanspice · 09/06/2021 10:32

Sunday

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Yellowhighheels · 09/06/2021 10:32

How long has it been since the last message?

morethanspice · 09/06/2021 10:32

Gone from v frequent to zilch

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morethanspice · 09/06/2021 10:33

And he bought me lunch so don’t feel he was cheapskating

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ToastedFrog · 09/06/2021 10:36

This is a classic one actually. I have been through this particular thing so many times. One date, all well, agree for a second date, gradual fade out.

He is just out for validation. Now he is on to his next conquest. If you chase him he might plan a second date. Then cancel last minute.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 09/06/2021 11:00

I don't necessarily agree with the pp, I old on and off for a few years and realised quickly that it was easier to arrange something quick and casual for a first meet (wasn't really related to the cost). The more I dated the quicker I realised that as good as the chemistry is online it can be very different face to face.
There's nothing more awkward than meeting someone, realising there is 0 chemistry, just nothing there...and having to spend a whole day doing an activity or sitting through a long meal with them.
For that reason a quick coffee (as no alcohol involved) or a couple of drinks in a local pub (can easily be kept to a minimum 1.5 hour without looking rude) is perfect so I wouldn't necessarily think that because your date was a casual (free) arrangement it meant he was never actually looking for anything other than sex.
Erm on another note, old is a numbers game, that's just how it is. It's very unlikely that anyone who is old is only chatting to one person.
My guess would be that he just had a better date with someone else. It's no reflection on you it just means he was also talking to someone else, who for any reason turned out to be better suited.
When I old there were times where I'd gone on one date or was talking to someone and then life got busy really quickly and before I knew it 4 days had passed and I hadn't gone on the app or responded to a message, so I thought well I clearly wasn't that into it so didnt bother responding at that point.
It wasn't because I didn't want to meet someone it was just because dating was only part of my life and sometimes the other parts took priority.
I also wouldn't offer an explanation to someone after one date for any of the above scenarios. Not because I'm rude but after one date I wouldn't really think one is required, especially if it was left as had a nice time thanks. Obviously if a 2nd firm date had been planned I would, I would just send a can't make it take care text. Tbh I did used to explain if I wasn't feeling it or something had changed but I found usually I got rude responses or sometimes strange responses, in my experience people don't usually handel rejection well. No matter how nicely put, even after just one date.

LoopTheLoops · 09/06/2021 11:02

Suprima

really that’s interesting as I always see people advising on here that a first date should just be coffee?

Op he probably is just talking to loads of people and has met someone else he likes more

Mermaidwaves · 09/06/2021 11:16

I don't think there's anything wrong with coffee for a first date and I think lockdown has got us out of the mindset of 'proper' dates, walks in the park have become the norm now.

I do think this is extremely common though, it happened to me countless times. I was known as the 'first date queen' by friends because I very rarely got a second date. It's knocked my self confidence massively and made me convinced there's something horribly wrong with me, but the truth is OLD is mostly awful. Most men see it as a brochure as mentioned on another thread, you're one of many women to choose from. OLD has taken the humanity from dating sadly.

Suprima · 09/06/2021 16:26

@LoopTheLoops

Suprima

really that’s interesting as I always see people advising on here that a first date should just be coffee?

Op he probably is just talking to loads of people and has met someone else he likes more

It’s recommended because it means you can supposedly leave quicker if you aren’t feeling it. Lots of women also feel like if a man buys you dinner then you ‘owe’ then something Hmm (you bloody don’t!).

I had no problem problem potentially leaving in the middle of a dinner date if I wasn’t ‘feeling it’ or someone said something offensive or at odds with my own personal beliefs. I never had to though, thorough vetting.

Covid has indeed made ‘coffee and walking dates’ more the norm, but it isn’t something to be embraced. So many of my girlfriends have ended up in situationships through allowing themselves to be dragged round parks like dogs, which eventually turns into ‘come over to mine for a takeaway’ and then suddenly they’re sleeping with someone who never even actually took them out on a proper date nor who actually wants a relationship (which is what they want). By accepting walk dates, the bar is immediately on the floor. If a man doesn’t want to make a good first impression? When does he?

Quality men will want to get to know a woman in a romantic setting, spoil her, court her and impress her. Of course, they might be complete arseholes secretly (but that’s why your guard should be always up anyway) but at least you are definitely cutting out the chancers who want you to ‘go for a waaaaaalk’.

To the OP- it’s still a low effort date even if he bought you a sandwich or whatever. Low effort, maximum potential results for them. The online human game of snap continues through OLD.

seensome · 09/06/2021 16:46

I know it's horrible when it's you that like them but it's not mutual, even though he probably did think you were attractive it's not always enough to want to date more if the chemistry wasn't there for him. It is rubbish that people can't be more honest and let you down nicely rather than just ghost.
I'm sure you will also go on dates where the spark just isn't there, just remember that. Just because you're not for him isn't doesn't mean your not fabulous for someone else and I'm sure in time you'll meet someone with mutual attraction.

confused1974 · 09/06/2021 17:47

@Suprima yes! I follow FDS too! And I'm having so much success! No cheap coffees for me, I want the full thing and I have met quite a few eligible men (I'm older not looking to get married) and just deciding now, no rush.

They organise and pay for anything. I have a very senior and very well paid job but still I expect them to make loads of effort to see me and spend time with me

LoopTheLoops · 09/06/2021 17:52

I see where you are coming from Suprima I haven’t dated in 10 years but I’ve heard now a days coffee being the suggested first date so I thought it was the norm these days, seemed less awkward than dinner for a first date

workshy44 · 09/06/2021 18:04

I agree with Suprima
Men want what they have to work for. I think the problem with OLD is that it makes things too easy and women seem too available. The balance of power has shifted massively.

Suprima · 09/06/2021 18:19

@LoopTheLoops

I see where you are coming from Suprima I haven’t dated in 10 years but I’ve heard now a days coffee being the suggested first date so I thought it was the norm these days, seemed less awkward than dinner for a first date
You shouldn’t be suggesting anything though.

You shouldn’t be asking him out, it makes him feel like the princess and you are the bloody queen.

If he asks you out, but asks you ‘what should we do?’- you can guarantee this a man who even if it comes to blossom into a relationship, you will planning all the holidays, date nights and children’s birthday parties.

Why do you find the idea of dinner awkward?

Lovelydiscusfish · 09/06/2021 18:35

I’m not certain that the fact they went for coffee and a walk is the problem, especially as it sounds like OP enjoyed these activities.

If I were you I would text him again. I’m sure lots of people will think that is you humiliating yourself some way, but seriously, who gives a fuck what he thinks.

Your have a nice time text didn’t give him much to go on. I would send a Hi, how are you doing?” text. If he doesn’t reply again, then fuck it - at least you’ll know for sure.

Suprima · 09/06/2021 18:42

@Lovelydiscusfish

I’m not certain that the fact they went for coffee and a walk is the problem, especially as it sounds like OP enjoyed these activities.

If I were you I would text him again. I’m sure lots of people will think that is you humiliating yourself some way, but seriously, who gives a fuck what he thinks.

Your have a nice time text didn’t give him much to go on. I would send a Hi, how are you doing?” text. If he doesn’t reply again, then fuck it - at least you’ll know for sure.

Way to make yourself look incredibly desperate for a bloke who took you for a walk.

Humiliating indeed

ChristmasFluff · 09/06/2021 20:22

The coffee thing is not a 'date' as such, it is a screening meet up arranged within 48 hours of messaging, to be done before a week of messaging has taken place. 45 minutes to an hour, no going for a walk or anything at all afterwards.

I am not going to waste an entire evening, plus time spent getting dressed up etc on a man who smells of mothballs, or slurps coffee spillage from his saucer, or who keeps licking his lips when he looks at me, or who has nothing to say for himself. Because dinner with men like that is Fecking Awkward.

OP, you let the screening coffee drag on too long - in future, no lovely walks, no long chats. Because otherwise, those talking about the men having to put in the effort are right. They think you are too easily won.

Men value you at your own estimation. So be too busy to 'screen' them for more than an hour. Let them do the asking out and the planning, as mentioned by others. Never accept a weekend date after Wednesday. Never take a call after 9pm. Certainly do not be available for same-day meets - 'oh, what a shame, I'd have loved to but I'm busy.' Always end the conversation first - phone or text.

And never ever assign any value to courting that can be done whilst sitting on the toilet.

Misty9 · 09/06/2021 20:37

And never ever assign any value to courting that can be done whilst sitting on the toilet.

This is fantastic and I shall print it off and stick it to my fridge Grin

OP, online dating is shite.

Iris27 · 09/06/2021 20:46

Weird opinions on here. It's 2021 people, women aren't a "prize" to be won. Surely its just about getting to know someone and seeing if you like them which works both ways. Doesn't really matter in what setting this takes place.

coronaway · 09/06/2021 20:50

@Suprima it sounds like you want us to return to the 50s.

As a PP said, the coffee date is for screening. No one wants to waste a whole evening on someone you may not have any chemistry with (or worse).

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