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After The Affair . . .

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LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 16:24

I've tried to distil this to its most salient bits, but it's really long. Apologies. It's getting it all in the right order that's hard. It's also pretty outing but I don't really owe the other actors anything, so . . .

Boyfriend and I have been 'together' for fifteen years. He was my first relationship of note (I was early 20s when we got together); I became pregnant within nine months of meeting; we went on to have two more children. For all sorts of reasons we've never really lived together. Quite a lot of people - including mums at the school - think of me as a single parent and I've never really disabused them of that notion: and, in fairness, I pretty much am - every dentist appointment; parents' evening; birthday party; trip to the beach, I do solo. We never go to weddings together; to lunch with friends. We've never hosted a dinner party. I've become less sociable over the years but I am fairly well-liked in my set 😂 while he is a loner who bemoans his lack of friends but does precisely eff-all about him (people seem to like him a lot, but give up when they realize he's a bit of a curmudgeon). Despite all this, I'd've described us as a couple. My close friends would have, too. Our families. It was emphatically not an open relationship.

Three years ago, when I'd just had our third baby, he came to see us and said he'd had a spat with a colleague about his 'inappropriate friendliness' with another co-worker. I knew immediately who it would be, as he'd mentioned her a few times 🙄 (noted that she'd grown up in the neighbouring village to mine) and that's not really his style. I was uncharacteristically upset and he took pains to tell me that, while he found her attractive, he didn't 'fancy' her per se - and it was largely academic because he loved me, fancied me, and would never cheat. Like the idea was preposterous. Weirdly, despite being a misery in many ways, he's quite flirtatious and quite attractive to women; he's 'admitted' to fancying a couple of our friends, in a very low-key way. I found that quite refreshing, as I think it's naive to think people in relationships never find other people attractive. Anyway. I got over it and was probably no more than mildly relieved when she left to work elsewhere. I should point out she was also in a LTR, and had a child.
Fast-forward to the end of 2019 when she and I ended up working together. (Not suspicious; can't say more than that). I was a bit wary I guess but we got in like a house on fire and I mentally harangued myself for ever thinking poorly of her 🙄 We never really touched on 'the incident' but she did tell me about her relationship woes and, when drunk, alluded to some sort of fling with my boyfriend's immediate junior (a much younger man than both of us, but with a wife and children). Didn't press her on that one but it gave me a sort of peace of mind as it seemed to have happened when I was at the height of my paranoia.
The thing that was tricky, was that ours was a customer-facing role and, while we were both notably good at our job, she performed it with a certain elan that's hard to describe, while I was efficient but also had a spot of 'resting bitch face'. She's also very very attractive to men/customers. Pretty face; great body. They f*ing loved her and treated me like a a kind of gatekeeper/DUFF. In my heyday, I was pretty hot stuff - honest - but I'm now an overweight drudge. Never wear make up; never blow dry my hair. Favour trousers from Matalan with an elasticated waist. I have zero sex appeal and men simply don't fancy me. (Not any with both original hips, anyway - I'm a hit with the 64-79 demographic for some reason 🙄) I accept this is not her fault but it's pretty galling.
Early 2020 she left to go back and work with my boyfriend - not at his behest, but was 'headhunted' by his boss (her former boss). Then Covid happened. In the event, she fell out with the boss and went to work elsewhere. Boyfriend and I did pretty well during the first lockdown - lots of walks with the kids; making bread; bit of DIY. By the time of the second one in November, things had gone downhill. I'd just had a health scare and was admitted to hospital for a time; he was worried there might not be a job for him to go back to (he's already in an IVA). He found living with my elderly parent a huge strain, which I understand - she displays what I shall charitably call 'idiosyncratic' behaviour, which would try the patience of a saint. (On the other hand, she provides childcare, helps us financially, and is my best friend). At any rate - he told me he'd had a drink with this woman in October 2020 and she'd detailed the whole sorry business with his junior, which apparently wasn't a fling but an eighteen month affair during which she'd become pregnant. She'd told her partner in the night he was going to tell his, and then they'd be together - except he chickened out and she was left with a furious and sad partner, and a pregnancy, which she then terminated. I believe his wife found out and threatened her. Messy.
Anyway, our relationship was in the shitter and when BF proposed finding his own place in December, I thought it was a good idea. It was sold to me as space, and we'd maybe not be an orthodox couple - well, we never have been anyway - but we'd be best buds and have lots of sex (which has never been an issue for us). I tell him to tell me if anyone else come along. He agrees, but tells me it's unlikely. I say the same (there not being a huge market for fat, plain, single mums of three). Fine.
Boxing Day 2020 and the bad angel taps me on my shoulder and for first time ever I check his phone, not even being sure I can get access. But I do - and there it is. A massive EA in which it's clear they've only had sex once (about 0.085 seconds after he'd moved out, and a few days before Christmas) but have been building up to it for yonks. While my kids have been bored to tears, they've been having long walks on the Kent coast, and telling each other how 'natural' they feel with each other; how they 'think about each other all the time'. Ace. I forward the message to my BFF who says it makes her tummy hurt. They're clearly in love (though she seems to have withdrawn a bit, although whether it was a modicum of moral fibre or a method of prick-teasing, I'm not sure). I confront him. I send her a restrained message indicating that I'm not going to help them deodorise the mucky genesis of their relationship (a phrase borrowed from here) but they have my go-ahead. She reads and wisely doesn't reply, but messages him two days later
Loads of shit very early on but settled down now. My friends opine that he's cunt, she's a cunt, and not even that pretty (not true, but they're loyal 😂). He proves remarkably resistant to moving on with her, and says he will never love her like he loves me. That all he wanted was to get married and have a proper life with me. That he wants her friendship, and wants to fuck her, but doesn't want a relationship, recognises she's 'damaged', and would stop seeing her if I insisted. (Which I haven't and wouldn't). Most implausibly, he says over many texts that he thinks I'm much hotter than her - probably because me sobbing and talking about what a hideous swamp monster I am, and how firm her tits and fanny must be, has made him feel a bit guilty. He still talks about getting married (and in fairness has asked many times over the years) and growing old. (How her magic fanny fits into that idyll, I don't know). He wants me to have sex with other men if I want, but doesn't want me to have a relationship or fall in love . He's around here all the time, being the best parent he's ever been, and helping out enormously in other ways. So we haven't been managed to break up properly - by rights I'd be three stone thinner and have had a radical haircut. But no.
We have always got in well, and continue to. Make each other laugh; love films and football.
So, Mumsnetters - what the fuck do I do? I love him, but am in limbo and actually keep hoping she gets pregnant so this weird situation stops. I'm also btw livid that this is another relationship she's had a hand in ruining, but again walks away unharmed and buoyed by the fact that another man wants a piece. She has low self-esteem, though, apparently. Sure she does. And I'm Jim Davidson.
So - what now?

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justamushypea · 09/04/2021 16:35

This whole relationship sounds toxic.

Why on earth are you letting them treat you like this?
Walk away from both of them (they sound like they deserve each other) and work on your self esteem.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 16:56

I think the problem is that I'm absolutely fixated on her. My position is that the seeds for this were sown three and a half years ago; his is that it didn't start until October/November. I guess the truth is somewhere in between.
I think we needed to split; we weren't happy. But I think she's a large part of why I was unhappy. He could've shagged anyone else, but he shagged the person I have had such massive insecurities about. Urgh.

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HollowTalk · 09/04/2021 17:02

Dump him.
Join a gym - make him do the childcare while you're at the gym
Go to the gym every single day
This will boost your self-esteem and make you realise you don't need this absolute shit in your life

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 17:06

I can't get to a gym; I live rurally and don't drive. Very few buses. And I suspect that's not the crux of my problem. Plus - you can't run away from a bad diet. That's the part I need to fix.
I'm not gargantuan, btw. It's just that she's thin.

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lastqueenofscotland · 09/04/2021 17:07

Oh god drop him and raise your standards.

SunnySideUp2020 · 09/04/2021 17:08

Move on. Let him be the greatest dad but don't get involved with him. Waste of time.
Getting married and growing old? So he can cheat in peace too?
The whole thing is weird anyway but i wouldn't want someone like this as a partner. Not even for good sex.

hellocheese1 · 09/04/2021 17:18

Very strange, seems like you lived very separate lives even after having children. Were you not
Bothered by this?
You need to withdraw from this as it's not doing you any favours.

Cloudfrost · 09/04/2021 17:19

I know you didn't say, but I am baffled... Why would you not live together all these years?

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 17:23

I guess wouldn't be cheating, though? Y'know, I read all these woman on here saying "I can't bear to think of them together/his mouth on her' etc etc etc. I don't particularly feel that, save that I hate her so the thought of her smug cumface infuriates me. I don't mind him sleeping with someone else. It's the fact that it's her, and I have to wonder whether he wanted her all this time. He could be in a relationship with her now, if he chose, but he's here constantly, proclaiming his love. I just want to move on.

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LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 17:26

I don't know really why. The reasons all sound a bit shit and nebulous. I should've sold the house when my dad died and moved in with him and the kids and been a proper family unit.

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Moooning · 09/04/2021 17:29

Is she anywhere near as mindful, self-effacing, articulate or downright hilarious as you are? I'm a bit in love with you right now too, and I don't even like fanny. Even the magic ones.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 17:42

@Moooning - that's very kind! Thank you. I have always tried to be scrupulously fair about her. She's not an airhead by any means; she's intelligent and funny on top of being a hottie. I liked her. But, no - she's neither as clever nor as funny as me, honestly. But that doesn't really matter, I guess. I think half my problem is that he tells me I'm much more attractive than her. Now, this is patently not true - my good looks are the kind that depend on being thin; it's a bone structure thing - but supposing for a moment it was, then the obvious frigging question is 'Why did he want her, then?' What's the appeal? Knowing that she became pregnant by her last affair partner. That she may cheat again. That I hate her. He says he hasn't slept with her since I found out, although he has seen her. I believe him but also don't care (they'll resume soon I'm sure). But I wouldn't stop him seeing her even if I wanted to. It's so stupid. I wouldn't care if it wasn't her.

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B1rdflyinghigh · 09/04/2021 17:47

Get rid of about 24 stone and dump them both.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 17:50

Sadly, I think I'd only be shifting about 19 stone, and he's around eleven. I think. She's weeny. A bit Manic Pixie Dream Girl. I've actually never seen her drink a hot chocolate but I'm sure she draws her sleeves down over her hands first, and cradles the mug.

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AmandaHugenkiss · 09/04/2021 18:02

@Moooning

Is she anywhere near as mindful, self-effacing, articulate or downright hilarious as you are? I'm a bit in love with you right now too, and I don't even like fanny. Even the magic ones.
Ditto to this. I find your outrageously attractive and I’ve never met you. I can see why your DP has realised what a complete cessation of brain function he had when he slept with her and ruined it all with you.

I can’t offer any advice but I’ve been in the situation where an ex cheated with someone he was friends with and I trusted him not to. It’s a pretty fucking shit thing and he deserves any bit of angry wronged woman monologue you decide to inflict upon him.

You are a mighty woman. She sounds like an unhappy home wrecker who will end up miserable and alone, looking forward only to being found half eaten by her cat.

Mylovelyhorsee · 09/04/2021 18:21

@LobotomisedIceSkatingFan I was thinking what other posters have said, you sound so articulate and very funny! He’s a fool. You’ll be happier alone.

crosshatching · 09/04/2021 18:35

Oh @LobotomisedIceSkatingFan, you're brilliant and you've made me giggle when I'm reaching for my supportive face!
Right so, do you actually want him? I know you say you love him, but is that the same thing as having him as your permanent other half? You can love him as the father of your children and an important figure in your life without loving him as your ride or die.
Put it another way could you be arsed with this level of shenanigans when you could be freeing up a whole heap of emotional energy, money and time to lavish on your much more wholly deserving self?

RogueV · 09/04/2021 18:38

O... You are brilliant and I can’t offer you any advice but here Wine

pixiecircles · 09/04/2021 18:40

So he gets to sleep with this woman whenever he wants, and come to you and get the good parts, the friendship, the "relationship stuff". He will allow you to sleep with other men (the fucking audacity, by the way. cheeky bastard) but not have the "relationship stuff" with them, therefore keeping you to himself.

He's having his cake and eating it. Maybe not in the traditional sense, but even so. Get rid and make him lay in this bed that he has made. The kids will be fine, given that you don't live together in any case.
More to the point, it will hurt and it will feel impossible but in time it will be so good for you. You won't know yourself in 12 months, I promise you.

And finally, to echo the previous posters, if you were ever in the north, you'd definitely have someone to go for a glass of wine with over hereWine! You have your head screwed on. You'll shine.

justamushypea · 09/04/2021 19:53

You need to lose your fixation on her.
She may be skinny with a magic fanny but she sounds like an arsehole. Sleeping around and wrecking marriages all over the place.
You sound like you are so much better than that and you have such a brilliant way with words ... possibly the longest post ever but one of the best written!! Grin

Aprilshowersandhail · 09/04/2021 19:59

Let her know you have realised he is shite in bed and she needs to come collect him and his stuff.
Raise your bloody bar op.

ladygindiva · 09/04/2021 20:01

You know, you might be an overweight swamp monster or whatever, I don't know what you look like. But you write with so much charisma and humour that by the end of your post I felt I wanted to have a drink with you. Frankly you sound fab, your friends are right, they are cunts, and I think you could do better than him. Good luck op x

Unreasonabubble · 09/04/2021 20:07

No, do not marry this man. He wants to marry you and then divorce you and then take half your Dad's house away.

You put yourself down SOOOOOOO much. Please, please, please, can you go and talk to someone and see if they help your self esteem. ❤

Prettybubblesintheair · 09/04/2021 20:11

Oh god I promise you you are better off without him! The way he’s behaving is a total headfuck. Beauty isn’t all about looks, it radiates from within (I know, I know...vom vom vom) and is tied in with wit, intelligence, humour...the only thing you’re lacking is confidence! Which will come if you sack off this weird lump of shite.

You sound a lot like my step mum, and I bloody love my step mum.

Mandalayblonde · 09/04/2021 20:22

Agree you sound ace and absolutely wasted on him.

Also agree you should dump the sorry pair of them and move onto a new phase of your life in which you will wonder why the fuck you gave either of them so much headspace.

I have learnt that when I start getting obsessive and comparing myself with people it's a sign of my brain chemistry getting out of whack and depression creeping in. And means I need to take a big breath and look out into the whole rest of the wonderful world and opportunities it affords me rather than ranking myself against my latest fixation. (I know I sound like a bit of a twat but it's true).

Not to deny that she sounds like a total insecure cowbag who probably deserves what's coming, but that's really not something worth a second of your time or any space in your head.

Your relationship sounds a bit "niche" and am sure there are reasons why that appeals to you. But in reality he's a miserable, selfish cheat and I bet you'd be a lot happier with someone who really wanted to be with you - or even just fully on your own without him.

Onwards!