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After The Affair . . .

111 replies

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 09/04/2021 16:24

I've tried to distil this to its most salient bits, but it's really long. Apologies. It's getting it all in the right order that's hard. It's also pretty outing but I don't really owe the other actors anything, so . . .

Boyfriend and I have been 'together' for fifteen years. He was my first relationship of note (I was early 20s when we got together); I became pregnant within nine months of meeting; we went on to have two more children. For all sorts of reasons we've never really lived together. Quite a lot of people - including mums at the school - think of me as a single parent and I've never really disabused them of that notion: and, in fairness, I pretty much am - every dentist appointment; parents' evening; birthday party; trip to the beach, I do solo. We never go to weddings together; to lunch with friends. We've never hosted a dinner party. I've become less sociable over the years but I am fairly well-liked in my set 😂 while he is a loner who bemoans his lack of friends but does precisely eff-all about him (people seem to like him a lot, but give up when they realize he's a bit of a curmudgeon). Despite all this, I'd've described us as a couple. My close friends would have, too. Our families. It was emphatically not an open relationship.

Three years ago, when I'd just had our third baby, he came to see us and said he'd had a spat with a colleague about his 'inappropriate friendliness' with another co-worker. I knew immediately who it would be, as he'd mentioned her a few times 🙄 (noted that she'd grown up in the neighbouring village to mine) and that's not really his style. I was uncharacteristically upset and he took pains to tell me that, while he found her attractive, he didn't 'fancy' her per se - and it was largely academic because he loved me, fancied me, and would never cheat. Like the idea was preposterous. Weirdly, despite being a misery in many ways, he's quite flirtatious and quite attractive to women; he's 'admitted' to fancying a couple of our friends, in a very low-key way. I found that quite refreshing, as I think it's naive to think people in relationships never find other people attractive. Anyway. I got over it and was probably no more than mildly relieved when she left to work elsewhere. I should point out she was also in a LTR, and had a child.
Fast-forward to the end of 2019 when she and I ended up working together. (Not suspicious; can't say more than that). I was a bit wary I guess but we got in like a house on fire and I mentally harangued myself for ever thinking poorly of her 🙄 We never really touched on 'the incident' but she did tell me about her relationship woes and, when drunk, alluded to some sort of fling with my boyfriend's immediate junior (a much younger man than both of us, but with a wife and children). Didn't press her on that one but it gave me a sort of peace of mind as it seemed to have happened when I was at the height of my paranoia.
The thing that was tricky, was that ours was a customer-facing role and, while we were both notably good at our job, she performed it with a certain elan that's hard to describe, while I was efficient but also had a spot of 'resting bitch face'. She's also very very attractive to men/customers. Pretty face; great body. They f*ing loved her and treated me like a a kind of gatekeeper/DUFF. In my heyday, I was pretty hot stuff - honest - but I'm now an overweight drudge. Never wear make up; never blow dry my hair. Favour trousers from Matalan with an elasticated waist. I have zero sex appeal and men simply don't fancy me. (Not any with both original hips, anyway - I'm a hit with the 64-79 demographic for some reason 🙄) I accept this is not her fault but it's pretty galling.
Early 2020 she left to go back and work with my boyfriend - not at his behest, but was 'headhunted' by his boss (her former boss). Then Covid happened. In the event, she fell out with the boss and went to work elsewhere. Boyfriend and I did pretty well during the first lockdown - lots of walks with the kids; making bread; bit of DIY. By the time of the second one in November, things had gone downhill. I'd just had a health scare and was admitted to hospital for a time; he was worried there might not be a job for him to go back to (he's already in an IVA). He found living with my elderly parent a huge strain, which I understand - she displays what I shall charitably call 'idiosyncratic' behaviour, which would try the patience of a saint. (On the other hand, she provides childcare, helps us financially, and is my best friend). At any rate - he told me he'd had a drink with this woman in October 2020 and she'd detailed the whole sorry business with his junior, which apparently wasn't a fling but an eighteen month affair during which she'd become pregnant. She'd told her partner in the night he was going to tell his, and then they'd be together - except he chickened out and she was left with a furious and sad partner, and a pregnancy, which she then terminated. I believe his wife found out and threatened her. Messy.
Anyway, our relationship was in the shitter and when BF proposed finding his own place in December, I thought it was a good idea. It was sold to me as space, and we'd maybe not be an orthodox couple - well, we never have been anyway - but we'd be best buds and have lots of sex (which has never been an issue for us). I tell him to tell me if anyone else come along. He agrees, but tells me it's unlikely. I say the same (there not being a huge market for fat, plain, single mums of three). Fine.
Boxing Day 2020 and the bad angel taps me on my shoulder and for first time ever I check his phone, not even being sure I can get access. But I do - and there it is. A massive EA in which it's clear they've only had sex once (about 0.085 seconds after he'd moved out, and a few days before Christmas) but have been building up to it for yonks. While my kids have been bored to tears, they've been having long walks on the Kent coast, and telling each other how 'natural' they feel with each other; how they 'think about each other all the time'. Ace. I forward the message to my BFF who says it makes her tummy hurt. They're clearly in love (though she seems to have withdrawn a bit, although whether it was a modicum of moral fibre or a method of prick-teasing, I'm not sure). I confront him. I send her a restrained message indicating that I'm not going to help them deodorise the mucky genesis of their relationship (a phrase borrowed from here) but they have my go-ahead. She reads and wisely doesn't reply, but messages him two days later
Loads of shit very early on but settled down now. My friends opine that he's cunt, she's a cunt, and not even that pretty (not true, but they're loyal 😂). He proves remarkably resistant to moving on with her, and says he will never love her like he loves me. That all he wanted was to get married and have a proper life with me. That he wants her friendship, and wants to fuck her, but doesn't want a relationship, recognises she's 'damaged', and would stop seeing her if I insisted. (Which I haven't and wouldn't). Most implausibly, he says over many texts that he thinks I'm much hotter than her - probably because me sobbing and talking about what a hideous swamp monster I am, and how firm her tits and fanny must be, has made him feel a bit guilty. He still talks about getting married (and in fairness has asked many times over the years) and growing old. (How her magic fanny fits into that idyll, I don't know). He wants me to have sex with other men if I want, but doesn't want me to have a relationship or fall in love . He's around here all the time, being the best parent he's ever been, and helping out enormously in other ways. So we haven't been managed to break up properly - by rights I'd be three stone thinner and have had a radical haircut. But no.
We have always got in well, and continue to. Make each other laugh; love films and football.
So, Mumsnetters - what the fuck do I do? I love him, but am in limbo and actually keep hoping she gets pregnant so this weird situation stops. I'm also btw livid that this is another relationship she's had a hand in ruining, but again walks away unharmed and buoyed by the fact that another man wants a piece. She has low self-esteem, though, apparently. Sure she does. And I'm Jim Davidson.
So - what now?

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LordOfTheOnionRings · 09/04/2021 20:24

Cut him off. He is going to use you for his emotional needs whilst fucking this woman if not. Don't be an idiot.

Moooning · 09/04/2021 20:57

It seems your sounding board are in agreement. You are marvellous. Manic Pixie Dream Girl might be an arsehole. She's probably also great sometimes in some ways, but not in this narrative.

You are probably an arsehole sometimes. I can be a massive arsehole in many ways. Your fella is definitely an arsehole in a lot of ways.

People are weird, and fallible, but that does not absolve them of responsibility. Owning up to one's areholeablness and openly atoning for it is what promotes growth and self awareness. It is the birthplace of self awareness and respect, for yourself and others. When people you trust transgress your threshold of arseholishness without accepting responsibility or affording you the mutual respect that was a part of your interpersonal relationship, it just isn't good enough. It doesn't matter if they have nice sleeves and a tight little fanny, or they are the father of your kids.

You owe the human race to recognise this OP. It is the birthplace of self love, and that inner realisation that you are, in fact, marvellous.

It's time to renegotiate your life and accept your amazingness. Do it. For us Wine

TLxx · 09/04/2021 21:18

Wow @LobotomisedIceSkatingFan I've got to echo previous posters. Your humour is incredible, I love it. You've got support from Scotland here. I've never routed for anyone more to be given a decent go at happy. Seriously. Keep your sense of humour, your intelligence, your personality, and get rid of that cunt. Your friends are right. And lucky to know you. What a read. X

StormBaby · 09/04/2021 21:26

@LobotomisedIceSkatingFan

Sadly, I think I'd only be shifting about 19 stone, and he's around eleven. I think. She's weeny. A bit Manic Pixie Dream Girl. I've actually never seen her drink a hot chocolate but I'm sure she draws her sleeves down over her hands first, and cradles the mug.
Hahaha! Hilarious 😂

Seriously, you have oodles of personality, you’re way too good for this pair of cretins.

BurbageBrook · 09/04/2021 21:32

Jesus Christ you have low standards. Please for the love of God raise them and kick this utter loser to the kerb. He’s scum.

Jesskir89 · 09/04/2021 21:33

Op you sound like a very intelligent woman but have got to stop putting yourself down!!! So what if you've put some weight on and don't wear makeup. Does that give him the right to cheat? No. So do yourself a favour and find someone worthy

CautiousBlonde · 09/04/2021 21:37

It’s not a proper relationship at all. I’d dump him.

NicelySpicy · 09/04/2021 21:57

He hasn’t done right by you. You are SOOOOOO much better than him. Raise your standards, get rid, get happy and move ON! You are brilliant at expressing yourself OP, wasn’t expecting to giggle whilst feeling murderous about what happened to you at all Grin

Parkerwhereareyou · 10/04/2021 06:53

She has low self-esteem, though, apparently. Sure she does. And I'm Jim Davidson.

You had me with this, @LobotomisedIceSkatingFan 😀

Lots of good points and advice here.

I've taken all this in and am honestly wondering if it's the same manipulative (fucked up little) monster that my supposedly D P and I encountered a few years back ... walks on the Kent coast even featured too!!!! 🤔 ... and yes she did have a plan ... she'd got it on a spreadsheet ... he was supposed to tell me at the same time as she told her DH (only mine didn't tell me - he just tearfully showed me a text he'd received from her DH about killing him 😅 and asked what should he say?!) ... and yes he was then supposed to hotfoot it off to a rendezvous with her in a sunflower field where I guess he'd carry her over the threshold into their new nest, whereas instead we blocked her (at 25 calls in less than a minute) and he stayed sobbing in bed with me for three days of salty sex and said she was a psycho.

(Note: obviously over the next few years after that he went properly mad, became super vigilant and jealous about me, mayhem ensued, and eventually I did manage to peel him off me and plonk him on a distant pavement)

(Sort of)

OP:

There are a zillion men out there.

Do not allow this psycho bitch to exist in your life, or head.

You have three kids with this guy. 🤦‍♀️ (that's what I hate sooooooo much about this predatory female behaviour 🤬).

My advice is:

Tell him (act, method act) that's fine. Of course. You understand. (...)

Suggest that between 1.30 and 3pm each day, or whatever hours suit you, you are not going to ask any questions about where each other is, and that in that time both he and you can do whatever you like.

Do not ever in any way shape or form marry him (or give him any money from your house).

Tell him yes have a lovely time with her. And not to worry about you. You yourself are going to fuck a different man every night for the next 6 months, until you find one you really like, and then you're going to have a very happy life with him. As are the kids. Tell him not to worry, you'll make sure the kids love him.

Basically smile as brightly as you can and send him packing to her. Yes. Do it.

Did she quiz you about you and him when she worked with you? Yes. Did she note you weren't married and he was a little bit not in the pack due to not properly living together etc? Yes. Did she see this as making him less 'yours' and easier to pick off? Yes.

But you need to drop your entirely justified anger and hurt ASAP.

My advice (with the benefit of hindsight) would be to move on very smartly.

This tangle of hurt and insult could go on for years, and be v damaging for you and the kids.

Let go.

He'll probably come begging back after a while anyhow, but no. Fuck someone else/several other people, even if remotely, to just break yourself out of this world where only he exists.

And just eat rocket. With olive oil, balsamic glaze, sea salt, pepper, lemon juice. Smoked salmon. Speck. It really works wonders. And very quickly.

Sorry though, OP. 😐 I'm starting to wonder if she is actually a she-devil and has cloned herself. Sounds just identical. Just steer clear now of the whole car crash ...

Parkerwhereareyou · 10/04/2021 07:26

oh gosh I'm not projecting, am I? 😉😀

isthismylifenow · 10/04/2021 07:54

He doesn't deserve you OP.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 11:24

Morning. I've had a lot to think about, and some wonderful PMs which has been great.
I'm incidentally very grateful that not one person has (thus far) trotted out: "She's not the one who betrayed you; he's the bastard" or "Women shouldn't tear down other women by calling them 'cunts'" or kindred MN favourites. When talking about her I've tried to be restrained, and fair, but when you've got a rich history of circling men like a cock-hungry vulture, I think the time comes when you have to stop playing the 'I'm so damaged, me!' card. She knew me. She knew the kids (a bit). She knew it wasn't a 'We're amicable but haven't had sex in in forever' situations.
I'm trying not to drip-feed, and I'm also anxious to make clear that I'm no picnic myself. I'm not very demonstrative, and have been a 'problem' drinker (although they both drink pretty heavily). I also cannot stress enough how tricky my mum can be; I loved my dad enormously but he was a very, very difficult man and, growing up, mum and I formed a kind of united front against him. That has resulted in an oddly co-dependent relationship whereby two woman (40 and nearly 80) live in a rural house that needs a lot of work doing. I mean, subtract the three kids and add a hot gay gardener, and we'd be bloody Little Edie and Big Edie from 'Grey Gardens'. My BFF loves my mum and is livid with him, but she did say that she sympathises with him as my mum infantilizes and controls me quite a bit. She and dad essentially brought my eldest son up while I was working all week and going to law school in London at the weekends, and continues to look after the children so I can work, but I guess it comes at a price. In fairness to my boyfriend, too, she has done some weird shit - e.g. he bought our son a kind of limited edition video game thing, with a figurine of one of the characters. It was on his shelf for a bit and then disappeared. Mum has thrown it away in the grounds that it was 'hideous'. Which it undoubtedly was. But it wasn't hers, and it certainly wasn't hers to throw away. And it wasn't inexpensive. We have shelves of books floor to ceiling, and she only watches things like 'OC' and 'University Challenge' and 'Matlock' so she is quite scathing about any pursuits which aren't highbrow and I guess I am a bit too :( Not very attractive of me, I know.
I have to make a decision but it's so hard. He's done an awful thing, but I do know he genuinely feels dreadful and is trying to atone as best he knows how. We had come to the end of the road, I think, but I'm not sure whether that wasn't in quite large part because of her. He is here all the time, proclaiming his love. The kids are fine as he was so often absent (working away; long hours). Neither of us actually wants to be, like, together together, certainly right now but it's based on not being in a 'proper' relationship with anyone else. I've told him if he comes to me in two, three years and says he wants to move in with her or something, I'll be livid as we'll be even further down the road and I don't want to start Plenty-of-Fishing in my mid 40s, really. (The other problem being that she still lives with the ex because neither can afford to move out - but her attitude to possibly having been seen by one of his mates when having coffee with my whatever-he-is; I'll say 'X' last week, suggests that her relationship with him might not be 100% over either 🙄) I don't think he knows about what she's been up to with X. Which also annoys me because she's doing fuck-all to mollify me. I've said to X the only reason I don't tell her X, is that she's implied he'll beat her into a coma 🙄 and then they'd all cluster around her hospital bed when they turn the machine off, and thousands will line the streets for her funeral 🙄 And some of them won't even have been balls-deep inside her! Ha! He says that'll never happen but part of my thinks even that's because he's gone all-out trying to prove his love for me v. his interest in her, that he can't ever deviate from his position. I think he loves her, and she loves him, and if you'd seen the messages you'd think so too 😩 I'm so fond of him and enjoy his company and the sex is pretty bloody good right now. I think if he said I wanted to cut it off completely he'd think it was a bargaining chip/ultimatum and say he'd stop seeing her but I honestly don't want that. I don't care if he sees her. Although I do worry a bit about her fecundity as my kids won't cope with that. As it is I fear her son may be joining my son's grammar in the autumn (three years apart thank fuck).
I think I need some more stark posts! I just need to take a Stanley knife to this situation's jugular, don't I?

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Mylovelyhorsee · 10/04/2021 11:50

@LobotomisedIceSkatingFan
Yes you do for yourself not for him. You deserve happiness either alone or with someone new. Not this.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 11:56

I should also say - he is temporarily poor but his parents and grandparents (all of whom are wonderful people; his grandparents don't know as they are fond of me and I think the shock would be enormous) are not. At all. In splitting, I've given up the chance of ever having money from an inheritance to do anything to the house. He has never mentioned wanting to be put in the mortgage and I genuinely don't think the issue of assets has entered his mind when he has talked about marriage. And he has asked me countless times over the years.

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LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 13:00

@Mandalayblonde - I think you are very definitely right about the fixation and brain chemistry. Trying to sort that bit out as well.

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vdbfamily · 10/04/2021 13:14

Slightly off the point but have you ever thought about writing a novel. You write so beautifully and amusingly.
I wonder whether he needs to feel needed and you are a little too self sufficient for him so whilst he genuinely afford you, it is not quite enough as you seem to be a bit take it or leave it about him. Personally, if the lives of my life told me I could have sex elsewhere as long as it wasn't someone he knew, I would be devastated about such a dismissal, but then... we are all very different. No advice really, just love how you communicate.

mediciempire · 10/04/2021 13:18

Please dump him. Would you not just be constantly consumed with thoughts of this woman if you were still together? It would drive you potty.

Crimeismymiddlename · 10/04/2021 13:25

Oh this is such a horrible situation. You are being very fair to the both of them-it has probably gone on for a lot longer than you think, but people like the ow do come out smelling of roses until they become ‘known’, it’s probably why she has had four jobs in three years despite being a top performer. It is maybe time to think about the other parts of the relationship that proceeded the affair. You say that you were both happy with the unconventional relationship, but he has asked you to marry him over the years, while you see yourself as a single parent, suggests that you have had one-foot out for the relationship. Maybe, although you love him it’s time to think about what you truly want, separate from him and the ow. Selling the family home and moving to a near town might be the tonic you and your mum need, as well as being a new start. I also know how you feel about her being ‘better’ than you, but being fat can be changed, as can the general effort with appearance. Even little things will help with your confidence. But you have so many big decisions to make and I wish you luck. You sound great.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 15:05

I know there is a marked tendency for women to say this, but I'm pretty confident for a number of reasons that the actually EA started in about October 2020, and I know that, unless they were playing an incredibly long and baffling con whereby for some reason they didn't delete all the messages alluding to their sordid meetings, but instead kept only those referring to 'that day' (eg 'since that day you've withdrawn and I'm wondering what I've done; 'All I've tried to do since is kiss you when we go for walks, but you pull away and then I get a message asking why you don't want to fuck' 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢) that they had only had sex once by that time (I know it was in the afternoon, and before the schools broke up, because he told me the boy was at school and the dad was at work. How delightful. I wondered if she might have done him up a plate of finger sandwiches and a pot of Darjeeling to sustain him, but apparently not - she had to have some wine and vodka to quell the guilt, though 🙄).
I'm not saying the seeds weren't sown three and a half years ago, but until some point in 2019 she was still shagging the other young bloke from their work, and really don't think she was accommodating them both in her magic fanny. And in all honestly, I think that until autumn last year, when it ticked over into what he calls infatuation and I call love, he genuinely quite fancied her when she was around, and didn't much think about her when she wasn't. I had a tight three minutes seconds to look at his phone on BD - I'm fucking fast, though - and you could genuinely see how it played out. A few messages when they first started working together in 2017, than radio silence for almost a year when she was working elsewhere, then the odd one when she'd ask him how to cook a certain dish or something, then nothing again. Then more when she and I started working together in 2019, very slightly flirtatious but nothing really bad. In fact, and at risk of alienating any Tories in my camp, Johnson got his landslide on my birthday in 2019, and I was really, really depressed, and he sent her messages saying how worried he was about me being so down, and could she keep an eye and not let the regulars give me a load of shit about Corbyn? Which made me a bit teary when I saw it. Then a few about her going to work with him, then mostly work-related ones, then some about the fall-out with their boss (she literally went back for a matter of weeks). Then not much for spring/summer 2020. In October, when they started going for 'drinks' 🙄 they switch over to WhatsApp, and that's were I really mined the gold. But it's was only about ten weeks worth. I also, using skills I didn't know I had - I'm shit at IT - managed to retrieve a cache of deleted photos (again; literally from Oct-Dec 2020) and I steeled myself for the worst in terms of pics of their sex organs, but it was mercifully free of those, and instead full of pics of their Dungeness/New Romney walks, and screenshots of what I have to assume allude to private jokes, as well as ones of pub and supermarket car parks (kind of 'I'm here; where are you?'). A particular favourite seems to be them sending each other pictures of whatever bottle of wine or champagne they were enjoying in their respective bedrooms - and the most awful is a fifteen second clip of him pouring a carafe of red, and you can hear me wanging on in the background about some Christmas presents I've bought for the Sally Army while he murmurs in some sort of assent. Bet she enjoyed that one 🤬.
The thing is, as soon as you start providing real, concrete reasons why he might have strayed, MN starts telling you he's feeding you The Script and linking you to Chump Lady. Whereas I genuinely think some PPs have it right, and he needs desperately to be loved, and God knows she gave him a lot of attention, while I've always one foot out of the relationship (witnessing my mum and dad's fraught marriage?) by not buying a house with him, or marrying him. I dunno.
With regard to a PP, it's not that I'm sanguine about him shagging other people. I thought we'd come to end of a fifteen year road for all sorts of reasons including but not limited to - career disappointments; lack of money; lack of space; a third child whom I worship, but probably couldn't afford or have room for; Covid; my mum. I was very philosophical at that point, and if, six months on, he'd said 'I've met someone' I really think I'd've been cool. But because all this has happened, I can now never truly believe (rightly or wrongly) that it wasn't all about her, even though she may have only been a fragment. People say 'You have to go about it the right way' but actually, ending a relationship because you've fallen in love with OW isn't that much better than falling in love with OW and there being some overlap. Not to the injured party.

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LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 15:14

Lots of typos there 😣

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Allwokedup · 10/04/2021 18:59

@LobotomisedIceSkatingFan op it sounds like you’re just not that into him.

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 19:29

I don't really know what to say to that beyond that I understand why it might come across that way, but it's not really the case. In love, still? Fifteen years; three kids; a raft of problems? Possibly not.

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BrilliantBetty · 10/04/2021 19:30

Oh god. It's just not even worth it.

I don't think you even want to be in this relationship anymore. You're just finding it hard to end it.
But end it you must. You won't ever forget what he's done here and tbh even with out the affair, he doesn't sound committed. He sounds like a shit.

Separate yourself.. drastically cut contact, he doesn't come round any more. You have a proper agreement re: DC.
Get yourself on some dating sites if you fancy it, you're funny - you might meet someone who really likes you and is a good guy (can't guarantee). It's got to be better than this mess.....

thecatsabsentcojones · 10/04/2021 19:55

I’m also in Kent, do I have to be worried that my husband is tarting himself about on the coast? Maybe there’s something about the briny air that brings on the stalk ons, I shall watch out.

The woman sounds like an utter bint and you sound absolutely ruddy brilliant, so fuck him, fuck her (not literally mind), get to Dungeness yourself and start shagging some young buck. Although don’t do it in someone’s garden or fishing boat, they get all stroppy about that sort of thing there.

One thing I’ve realised is a bit of weight doesn’t make someone unattractive, I know someone who is a bit of a femme fatale who’s a size 16. She literally collects men. So please, please don’t let that stop you moving on, good sex can be had with someone other than this bloke who you obviously haven’t got massively strong feelings for anyway.

Good luck fellow Kent dweller (I’m fascinated about where you are now with the rambling house, sounds idyllic, like something from the Darling Buds).

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 10/04/2021 20:09

@thecatsabsentcojones
Ha! I live very near the 'Darling Buds' house, actually - next village over - but my house is nothing like that. It's one of those fairly ugly 70s semi-detached jobs which looks like it may have had a murder committed in it. And not even a decent, 'cause celebre' type. Neither mum nor I can stand it and, assuming I can elevate it to some sort of sellable condition, I'd love to sell. The only problem being I've lived in this village all my life and Covid just increased it's appeal, but I can't afford anything else in this neck of the woods, where houses are all around 600-800 k. I'm going to attempt to learn to drive an automatic next month so that may increase my options a bit. Life, eh? What a pile of wet bollocks it is.

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