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Help needed re MIL

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readingbored · 21/03/2021 22:50

I need some advice on how to deal with my MIL. She lives 5 minutes from us (me, OH and two young daughters). She was widowed 7 years ago. Since she has been heavily reliant on my OH.

I accept that she will sometimes need help and company but it goes too far:
My OH is called by her to go round to fix things or help with things at least once a week. He always stays longer than he says he will be. I suspect she gets him round for company as much as anything else, but she also is capable (intelligent and in good health) but chooses not to do things she finds boring so for example she is capable of shopping online or booking holidays, but can’t sort her utility bills or other more dull things. She has no regard for how busy we are. She has never worked while my OH and I both have stressful professional jobs. And the thing I find most irritating is that my OH always says he doesn’t have time to help me with things. He’s always moaning about being short of time and uses it as an excuse but he’ll drop everything at a drop of a hat to help her. He claims he wants to change job but today says he’s been too busy but went to do jobs at his mums.
We sometimes go round for dinner, or she comes here, particularly for special occasions but as soon as the meal is over she starts listing out to my OH jobs she needs him to do and then I am stuck there with the kids or on my own with nothing to do. On Mother’s Day she came to us. As soon as we sat down for coffee she was going on about hoovers to purchase so my OH spent over an hour selecting one, finding a retailer and buying on for her. I was totally bored and annoyed she had spoiled the afternoon in that way.
My OH invites her out for events eg we were booking tickets for a music festival. He booked standing tickets for me and him but premium tickets for another night for him and his mother. It was annoying as I had suggested the three of us go the second date, but he said I could only come if I organised childcare.
We also go to an annual sports event - my OH is a member and we pay for tickets but she always gets first pick when to go. If we go together she always takes over and we have to sit where she wants eat where she wants etc even though she is our guest.

He takes her to the spa (which is where we go for dates), and often just gets me the same presents he gets her.
She buys him valentines presents.
She always says creepy stuff like my baby boy.
She has always worshipped him.- a whole wall at their house is given over to his sporting achievements, but there is nothing about his poor sister (who is adopted). My OH was the miracle baby after a number of miscarriages.
She is also a snob and very small minded and old fashioned.

I feel she needs to back off but I am also disappointed my OH is so oblivious to me and my needs. I have raised the issues a number of times but he always becomes incredibly defensive and won’t hear me or my point of view. I fell he cares more about her than me.

I don’t want to have to put up with this for another 20 years. I feel this is t the deal I signed up to.

I have wider issues with my OH:
Thinks he and his job are a priority above mine, so I have to deal more with childcare and poorly kids etc
He’s very uptight - wipe the bath while I shower, fusses about the tiniest bit of mess in the kitchen and often makes me feel like I am treading on eggshells. He makes any decision making very difficult - basically wants to be involved in all decisions but always holds a veto over anything and just finds issues and risks and problems not solutions. When I was tring to change job I got a good offer for a job but he drew up a spreadsheet told me everything I alone would have to give up and then started making me feel bad by saying it was giving panic attacks. I can never choose how I want to live my life from small decisions to bigger ones such as where I work, what childcare we use. He’s quite controlling. I believe this is from his mother as she is controlling. Even by doing loads of stuff for his num he is controlling what we do at the weekend- I have to look after the kids and can’t have me time.
I have tried many times to talk to him about all these issues, but he always turns the conversation on me or gets angry or goes silent and walks off. He is incapable of having a grown up discussion.
If I can fix the MIL problem I feel I can then turn to the other issues and work those out and decide what to do from there.

Any suggestions?

OP posts:
Hailtomyteeth · 22/03/2021 07:31

You could make them both very happy.
Return the man-child to his mummy.
I think you'd be happy, too.

MzHz · 22/03/2021 07:33

Sweetheart, even if you could ‘solve’ the MIL problem, you’d still have the abusive husband problem.

There is not a single shiny hope that any of this will ever change.

How terribly sad that your poor parents who have supported you and the kids so much are so easily dismissed.

Please take the first step.

“You spend Easter with your mum, we have to spend it with my parents to thank them for all the homeschool help”

Don’t take no for an answer, don’t negotiate and stay strong.

We’re all here for you. There is only 1 way you will improve your life and that of the kids is to leave this awful man.

You’re doing it all now anyway, so you can absolutely do this

MzHz · 22/03/2021 07:35

@overwork

What about packing the kids up and going to see your parents yourselves for Easter? He may as well learn how it feels to only see your kids on alternate holidays...
Or just smile and wave at him with his plans and then pack the kids up and take them to your parents on the Friday and stay there for the Easter weekend

Fuck him and his mother

readingbored · 22/03/2021 07:35

I do acknowledge he is also an issue, probably the bigger one - see my last sentence, but this specific thread is asking how I deal with him / MIL specifically relating to MIL issues. I’m asking for advice on that specific issue. For me this is a big issue in our marriage but I am at a loss how to resolve it as he won’t discuss it.

OP posts:
wombatspoopcubes · 22/03/2021 07:36

I fail to see howyou are happier with him than without him. So on that basis: leave.

You can't change someones mindset as much as you need him to.

Quit4me · 22/03/2021 07:39

Sounds like a nightmare OP.
What would happen if you took the kids and yourself round to your parents on Easter Day (and he can see his Mum if he wants)
What would happen if you put your foot down and simply said that you and the kids haven’t seen your parents for ages, your going and that’s that?

mybonnieliesovertheocean2 · 22/03/2021 07:45

You can’t do anything about MIL whilst your DH is jumping to her every demand. You can’t stop her from contacting him, you can’t stop her for asking him for help. You say you want help around her without your DH being onboard and setting boundaries and putting you first nothing will change. It needs a united response and you don’t have one. So deal with your DH, I appreciate it is easy to focus on her but she is not the problem here.

user1471462115 · 22/03/2021 07:46

@readingbored

I do acknowledge he is also an issue, probably the bigger one - see my last sentence, but this specific thread is asking how I deal with him / MIL specifically relating to MIL issues. I’m asking for advice on that specific issue. For me this is a big issue in our marriage but I am at a loss how to resolve it as he won’t discuss it.
I think what every one is saying without spelling it out, that you can’t change this , only you DH can. And he does not want to. So the only way to change is to leave.
readingbored · 22/03/2021 07:48

To clarify I know there’s also a huge problem with my DH in other areas - See my last sentence, but for this thread I am specifically asking for advice on how to improve the MIL situation- how I can get my DH or my MIL or both to change or at least listen. I gave the background info on my DH so any advice on the MIL issue is given in context. This is a key issue in my marriage and I would like to sort it. Thanks

OP posts:
Flapjak · 22/03/2021 07:51

From your post, yes MIL is an issue, but she is only an issue because your husband is happy to put her first and you and your children 2nd. It also sounds like he is alienating you from your family, forcing you to live in a show home. Whenever i hear the words, walking on eggshells , then i associate it with some type or abuse or threat of. How is your childrens relationship with their dad, is he a loving person or cold ? Who controls family finances and are you allowed to spend money without his approval first?

user1471462115 · 22/03/2021 07:52

You can’t.

The example you give of your husband not being prepared to share your time as a family between your parents and his shows he isn’t reasonable and won’t ever be reasonable. You can’t do more than discuss how to spend Easter with him, and that it is only fair to see your parents. If he can’t see this is fair there is no hope of you finding the magic words to help him to see it is only fair.

Take previous posters advice and just take the kids to see your parents in your own.

imalmostthere · 22/03/2021 07:53

You're blaming your mil for your husbands short comings. The problem is your DH, Not his mummy.

GU24Mum · 22/03/2021 07:54

OP, no-one is really answering the question of how to deal with your MIL as we pretty much all think that that simply isn't the problem. It's not possible to "sort out" your MIL without working out what you want to do about your husband's behaviour as they are two sides of the same problem.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 22/03/2021 07:55

@overwork

What about packing the kids up and going to see your parents yourselves for Easter? He may as well learn how it feels to only see your kids on alternate holidays...
This. Leave them to it, they'll have a lovely time together and you will see your parents which sounds like it is long overdue. If he makes a song and dance over it, then you have your answer. You should still go and enlist your parents moral support to divorce him.
AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/03/2021 07:57

"For this thread I am specifically asking for advice on how to improve the MIL situation- how I can get my DH or my MIL or both to change or at least listen".

The only way this will improve is for you to remove yourself entirely from it. Neither will change or will listen and you need to completely revisit your boundaries with these two. You think that improving one will affect the other, that is not so. This is who they are and getting someone else to change their behaviour is an exercise in futility (its hard enough to even change one aspect of your own behaviour).

He is basically a carbon copy of his mother (and I note her late H did everything for her too). What you're also forgetting here is that they do this because they can and it works for them. Such people never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

timeisnotaline · 22/03/2021 07:57

I don’t see how you can fix the mil problem first, the dh problem is much bigger. Take the dc, go visit your parents for a week at Easter, call him when you get there and say you finally get an entire special day with your mum solo, let me know if you feel happier spending it that way and we can make it permanent. I’m done being neglected and ignored all the time while you dismiss my opinion and run after her.

Lobelia123 · 22/03/2021 07:57

Since he does not consult or consider you in any of his decisions or actions, I would take a leaf out of his playbook and do the same. He goes to mummy on Easter....cool. have fun darling! Im taking the kids to my folks for the whole of easter....see you when we get back. He slopes off to mummy's to file her bunions or be her substitute husband or whatever....no problem. Im having an awesome day out with the kids, or having a baking day or spoil day at home. Have fun because we sure will! STOP putting your life - and your childrens' lives - on hold for this selfish wanker and his disfunctional mother. Start having fun without him - go for walks, do outings, make memories that are not dependant on his approval. Its the start of a new life. Maybe when he cottons on how much actual LIFE and FUN he is missing out on, he may pull himself back and try to re-enter his actual family. OR he may just try to shut it all down - how dare you all make independent decisions and have fun / do stuff without me!! Dont allow him to do that. He's made a choice for himself, he doesnt get to make a choice for you. If you cant find the balls to stand up for yourself and promote yourself from the doormat position, do it for your children who are missing out massively here. and final point....you talk a lot about trying to discuss things with him. That stops. As youve discovered, he knows how to manipulate that back onto you to put you on the back foot....so no more discussions. Just present him with what youve already decided....its not up for negotiation. And if he squeaks about it....wide eyed surprise....after all, isnt this what he does? Hes so strong and clever and has just shown you the right way to do things.

InsolentAnnie · 22/03/2021 07:58

I agree with everyone else. Read the book ‘Toxic In Laws’ by Susan Edwards - you’ll recognise your situation on about the third page.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/03/2021 07:59

They will not change but you can change how you react to them.

Walking on eggshells to my mind is code too for living in fear. What are your children learning about relationships here?. Is this the model you really want to be showing them?.

ChaToilLeam · 22/03/2021 08:03

You can’t fix the MIL problem because it’s a DH problem. Everyone is telling you the same thing. I understand it’s something you might not want to hear.

Livebythecoast · 22/03/2021 08:06

@Lobelia123

Since he does not consult or consider you in any of his decisions or actions, I would take a leaf out of his playbook and do the same. He goes to mummy on Easter....cool. have fun darling! Im taking the kids to my folks for the whole of easter....see you when we get back. He slopes off to mummy's to file her bunions or be her substitute husband or whatever....no problem. Im having an awesome day out with the kids, or having a baking day or spoil day at home. Have fun because we sure will! STOP putting your life - and your childrens' lives - on hold for this selfish wanker and his disfunctional mother. Start having fun without him - go for walks, do outings, make memories that are not dependant on his approval. Its the start of a new life. Maybe when he cottons on how much actual LIFE and FUN he is missing out on, he may pull himself back and try to re-enter his actual family. OR he may just try to shut it all down - how dare you all make independent decisions and have fun / do stuff without me!! Dont allow him to do that. He's made a choice for himself, he doesnt get to make a choice for you. If you cant find the balls to stand up for yourself and promote yourself from the doormat position, do it for your children who are missing out massively here. and final point....you talk a lot about trying to discuss things with him. That stops. As youve discovered, he knows how to manipulate that back onto you to put you on the back foot....so no more discussions. Just present him with what youve already decided....its not up for negotiation. And if he squeaks about it....wide eyed surprise....after all, isnt this what he does? Hes so strong and clever and has just shown you the right way to do things.
Couldn't agree more 👍!
readingbored · 22/03/2021 08:10

He is loving to the children.

I am able to spend my money on myself as I choose. Joint items for house he always wants to be involved in however small. Food shopping he usually reviews what I have done and makes petty adjustments. We aren’t short of money so it’s not that it’s that he has to have some say over it.

The treading on eggshells is that if I break something round the house he sulks - I dropped a small bowl on the hob and it cracked it. - he sulked for several hours. I scraped the car, he was grumpy and annoyed. I am terrified I will kerb the hub cap and he will be angry. He tells me how to do jobs in the kitchen, and will be tidying after me as I work there or in the garden. I am both very able and tidy. Neither he nor his mother like anything except perfect - they hate making mistakes - and will get in a complete tizz if just a drink is spilt!

To be clear angry doesn’t include physical violence but sulking and sometime anger, which still makes me feel awful like I am a naughty child.

OP posts:
BuddhaAtSea · 22/03/2021 08:11

If I were you, I would tell the kids: great, daddy is going to granny’s, you’re going too, put your shoes on! And go run yourself a bath.

I would also inform them both Easter is at your parents this year, she’s welcome to join you if she wants. If they object, say you’re taking the kids and point out that’s they’d have to do if they were too see them every other weekend and half the holidays.

Sporting events, concerts etc, book whatever you want and tell him he’s welcomed to join you, if he prefers his mother, you’re taking your friend.

If he objects at the state of cleanliness, suggest he hires somebody who will do it to his standards.

Why are you putting up with this shit?!!!

Glowbuggy · 22/03/2021 08:13

I feel for you. You are in an abusive relationship.

Fluffycloudland77 · 22/03/2021 08:19

There’s no resolution for this, she’s brought him up to be like this & he’s not going to change.

Your poor parents are being manipulated too, they don’t kick up a fuss so you don’t get into trouble. You aren’t being treated very well by him and when the kids get older and less biddable they’ll be next.

You need to leave or put up with this until she dies which could be another 20 years.

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