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Better the devil you know, than the one you don't

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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 14:59

Back story: Split from ex about 5 years ago. Went NC for a while due to infidelity while having a young child. Very minimal visitation (enforced by me) and just generally didn't talk. Lockdown came and he grew a conscience about his DD and has made strong efforts over the past year to rebuild relationship with child.

Been with current partner 1 year, got together just before the first lockdown around the time ex first got in contact. Explained that we'd been NC for a while, and it was early days. Things have gone well, met my DD just before Xmas and we've been "happy".

Marriage has been on the cards and we spoke/ argued about it recently. His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything". For what it's worth, current partner is from different religious culture to myself, one that could be said is known for women being 'less than' their male partner. (Has been playing on my mind- think non-legally binding, no public record marriage rather than registry or church wedding)

My problem is in starting to think there's elements of control going on. I've already made a lot of changes in the short space we've been together- changed phone number, deleted some social media accounts and limited contact with male friends are the most notable ones. These were mainly due to his insecurities about my extended male network.

The problem is, before lockdown I was very outgoing, spent a lot of time with friends, had an active social life etc. So because he has mainly known me throughout lockdown I feel it's an unfair representation of myself as I haven't been able to be myself! This is now causing many arguments etc.

Now the spanner in the works- ex called for weekly catch up with DD and have felt myself wandering. We had a conversation about the past and what we each could be accountable for and it's left me thinking.

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc, but do feel I'll lose large elements of my personality/ lifestyle that wouldn't be acceptable to him/ his family.
Or, DONT get back with ex, but actually spend time co- parenting effectively without the worry that I'm hurting my partners feelings by spending extended time with another man. I think I have realised there may still be feelings there but the worry is the history.

Side note: call me strange or stuck in my ways but I am absolutely terrified of having a second child by another man. I'm worried about any possible exclusions for my older child, what the situation could look like if we ever split. Am I a terrible person for thinking that if me and ex rekindled properly, in the future it could mean a full sibling for my child? I've had friends/ family grow up where siblings had different dads and I never quite understood the family dynamics. (Myself and 4 siblings all have same parents)

Sorry it's long, I'm just torn

OP posts:
Tish008 · 17/02/2021 15:00

You cannot bring a child into this.

He's controlling you, run

AnneLovesGilbert · 17/02/2021 15:05

You shouldn’t be torn, you should be dumping this new bloke and running as fast as you can in the opposite direction. You’re starting to see an element of control?! Starting?!!! He doesn’t accept, embrace or cherish the woman you are and all he wants to do is change/bully you into her version of a wife. You cannot be with someone like that and you most definitely can’t have your daughter around that. What are you thinking?

Don’t get back together with your ex either. Be single. Work on your self esteem and your boundaries.

harknesswitch · 17/02/2021 15:05

There's not an element of control, he IS controll

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 15:09

@AnneLovesGilbert

You shouldn’t be torn, you should be dumping this new bloke and running as fast as you can in the opposite direction. You’re starting to see an element of control?! Starting?!!! He doesn’t accept, embrace or cherish the woman you are and all he wants to do is change/bully you into her version of a wife. You cannot be with someone like that and you most definitely can’t have your daughter around that. What are you thinking?

Don’t get back together with your ex either. Be single. Work on your self esteem and your boundaries.

Thanks, really needed to hear this. Self esteem I agree with. There are things I want to achieve separately to being married etc that I know will help my confidence.
OP posts:
category12 · 17/02/2021 15:17

Or, DONT get back with ex, but actually spend time co- parenting effectively

This. ^

Aim for NO devils.

Your current guy is bad news.
Your ex is an ex for a reason.

A nice man is out there.

TJ17 · 17/02/2021 15:44

@category12

Or, DONT get back with ex, but actually spend time co- parenting effectively

This. ^

Aim for NO devils.

Your current guy is bad news.
Your ex is an ex for a reason.

A nice man is out there.

I agree with this. You don't have to choose between one or the other.

Current partner BAD news, run for the hills.

But that doesn't mean you have to get back with your ex.

GotBeatenUp · 17/02/2021 15:53

Not RTFT.

His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything".
Not acceptable, even if he did the same, and he probably won't.

Things have gone well, met my DD just before Xmas and we've been "happy".
You've been together a year. As soon as you are 'married' he'll change.

Get your trainers on love the hills are thattaway

partner is from different religious culture to myself
Usually makes things harder than if you are from a similar background. If it's a different religion, it will complicate things further.

non-legally binding, no public record marriage rather than registry or church wedding)
Like co-habiting but without the freedom, or like marriage without the legal protection.
Fuck that

chliba · 17/02/2021 15:58

You need to stop thinking what would be best for everyone else or what society will think of you and do what is best for you. Regarding your current partner, I hate to say it but I think even you know deep down that it's doomed. If you already are thinking of ways to make the marriage less official then I think you have your answer. It's totally not ok for him to control what you do and you deserve a lot better. Do you tell him who he can see and speak to? Or do you let him live his life in peace? A relationship without trust won't end well and it seems he is very insecure. Ultimately, if you have very different values and core beliefs there will be trouble.

Regarding your ex, do you genuinely have feelings for him or is your mind wandering at the prospect of having that "picture perfect" family? There was a reason you split and to have had no contact for a while is quite a big deal, not to mention the infidelity.

I think the best think for you right now would be to run from this current nightmare of a partner and continue co-parenting with your ex. If things are meant to work out with him they will, but I certainly wouldn't be running into his arms. Your DD will only suffer as a result of either you staying with a controlling man, or the unhappy aftermath of you going back to your ex to keep up appearances. Do what is ultimately going to make you and DD happy.

FossilisedFanny · 17/02/2021 15:59

This isn’t an either or situation Op , you don’t have to choose between either of these unsuitable men . I would definitely leave the current chap , he is controlling and it will only get worse.
Concentrate on co parenting with your ex and make sure your boundaries are sound so no one can take advantage of you.

Bargebill19 · 17/02/2021 16:05

Leave. Better to be on your own and be true to who you really are, and be happy.
Do not get married with conditions attached. Someone should want to marry you because they love you for who you are now, warts and all, not for who they want you to become. If you do, you will be miserable and most likely fearful in everything you do, because you will fear the consequences of not adhering to his version of life.

NotaCoolMum · 17/02/2021 16:07

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Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 16:07

Why would you want any of these psychopaths in your life op?

What's wrong with just being single?

Definately get shot of current partner. No nights about it- he is very controlling. And religious background is no excuse.

Ask yourself, at what point in your life did it get drummed into you that you needed a man to be happy? So much so that you should accept anyone you arent 100 percent comparable with, let alone abusers!

Get shot and stay single for a while. Work on loving yourself. Or hell, even liking yourself would be a good start. It's most important for your child that you provide a strong female role model who takes no shit from horrible men.

Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 16:08

*compatable with

GotBeatenUp · 17/02/2021 16:10

My pp was a bit garbled. All the messages but in the wrong order.

If DP is from a different culture, his expectation from a 'wife' will likely not be a westerner's idea of a wife.

I have no experience of this other than I have been in a relationship with someone from a non-western country. Maybe it was just him, but he had some strange ideas. Not particularly relevant, but he was not the one who beat me up, that was the guy I met soon after

I would ditch the current partners, and can offer you some trainers a rain jacket and directions to the nearest hills.

You have a child with a former partner. You need to co-parent with your former partner. He is a former partner for a reason, keep it that way.

Work on establishing what you want out of life. Neither of these two men are the answer.

Saltedhero · 17/02/2021 16:11

Different culture and adapting wouldn't be for me, bugger that...how about he adapt to your culture! And understand you have lots of friends and a social life outside of him and his rules! Don't think this will bode well

Bananalanacake · 17/02/2021 16:13

Has the current one tried to move in with you? tell him to fuck off out of your life, what a nasty bastard, stopping you from seeing friends. Aren't you worried about the idea of a Non-legally binding marriage?

ginandbearit · 17/02/2021 16:16

Does his religion or culture allow for second wives? All i can see is you being absorbed into a family where you are second best because you are a woman but even more undervalued because you are tainted by being a divorcee with a child ..not looking good .

user1654236589623652 · 17/02/2021 16:16

New man goes in the bin where controlling abusers belong.

You spend time working on yourself so you have better boundaries and don't let any more controlling men get this close to you again.

As for your ex and any feelings, that sounds more like nostalgia and familiarity than something to consider beyond having a healthy co-parenting arrangement.

Coffeshopgirl · 17/02/2021 16:16

The problem is, before lockdown I was very outgoing, spent a lot of time with friends, had an active social life etc. So because he has mainly known me throughout lockdown I feel it's an unfair representation of myself as I haven't been able to be myself! This is now causing many arguments etc.

If current partner is trying to control your actions now, when your freedom is already curtailed by Covid situation, how will he be with you when restrictions are lifted?

You are young and have your life ahead of you. Neither of these men are right for you. As pp have said, concentrate on making your co-parenting relationship with your ex a good one for your child.
Bin current partner and take some time out for you. Life is actually ok when we are single!

MzHz · 17/02/2021 16:17

So my ds dad was from Egypt

Muslim but not mega devout

He ruined my social life, tried to take every friend I had away from me

When challenged- that’s how we do things where I’m from.

I’m not saying all Muslim men are abusive, but this mad was abusive and he used his religion and his culture as a reason why I had to behave in the way he demanded

Run. Run and run and run some more.

This guy will devastate your life. He will devastate your dc life too.

Be single, work on enjoying setting your own rules and standards, be happy and embrace your social life, get your old friends back before it’s too late and never ever allow anyone to shut down your life again.

user1654236589623652 · 17/02/2021 16:18

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc, but do feel I'll lose large elements of my personality/ lifestyle that wouldn't be acceptable to him/ his family.

Genuinely why would you even consider this? Knowingly continuing down a path of being subjected to coercive control?

There is no need to try and accept having any devils in your life.

Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 16:21

The fact is that he picked you deliberately so he could break you. Like breaking in a horse. He doesnt see you as an equal, with need as important as his.

That is not partner material.
You arent his partner. You are his victim. Someone he wants to dominate and control. An object.

And he may use his religion as a way of 'excusing' his unacceptable requests. But there are plenty of men from all religions who would never dream of treating their partner this way. He is a nasty person, plain and simple. The reason he picked you and not someone of his own faith is likely that they would know he was talking shite.

Run for the hills!

Palavah · 17/02/2021 16:23

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc

There is nothing picture-perfect about a 'partner' who is controlling, with a different set of standards for you from the one he lives by. Is that the life you want for your daughter, let alone you? Because he will try to control her too.

SunnySideUp2020 · 17/02/2021 16:34

You need to raise your standards OP.
A cheating ex isn't even remotely an option if you have some self respect.
A controlling boyfriend with whom you already know you are not compatible with is also a no no.

Having a second child with a different man just means you made the wrong choice first time and you get another chance at a happy family and relationship. What matters is that you are loved and respected for who you are, and so is your daughter. A family isn't necessarily about blood. Nobody cares that your children have different dads. And just because your ex suddenly had a life crisis recently and decided to step up doesn't make him dad of the year. Why would you want another child with him? Can you trust him?

SunnySideUp2020 · 17/02/2021 16:35

I think you need to reassess who you let into your life. You deserve so much more than this.

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