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Better the devil you know, than the one you don't

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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 14:59

Back story: Split from ex about 5 years ago. Went NC for a while due to infidelity while having a young child. Very minimal visitation (enforced by me) and just generally didn't talk. Lockdown came and he grew a conscience about his DD and has made strong efforts over the past year to rebuild relationship with child.

Been with current partner 1 year, got together just before the first lockdown around the time ex first got in contact. Explained that we'd been NC for a while, and it was early days. Things have gone well, met my DD just before Xmas and we've been "happy".

Marriage has been on the cards and we spoke/ argued about it recently. His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything". For what it's worth, current partner is from different religious culture to myself, one that could be said is known for women being 'less than' their male partner. (Has been playing on my mind- think non-legally binding, no public record marriage rather than registry or church wedding)

My problem is in starting to think there's elements of control going on. I've already made a lot of changes in the short space we've been together- changed phone number, deleted some social media accounts and limited contact with male friends are the most notable ones. These were mainly due to his insecurities about my extended male network.

The problem is, before lockdown I was very outgoing, spent a lot of time with friends, had an active social life etc. So because he has mainly known me throughout lockdown I feel it's an unfair representation of myself as I haven't been able to be myself! This is now causing many arguments etc.

Now the spanner in the works- ex called for weekly catch up with DD and have felt myself wandering. We had a conversation about the past and what we each could be accountable for and it's left me thinking.

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc, but do feel I'll lose large elements of my personality/ lifestyle that wouldn't be acceptable to him/ his family.
Or, DONT get back with ex, but actually spend time co- parenting effectively without the worry that I'm hurting my partners feelings by spending extended time with another man. I think I have realised there may still be feelings there but the worry is the history.

Side note: call me strange or stuck in my ways but I am absolutely terrified of having a second child by another man. I'm worried about any possible exclusions for my older child, what the situation could look like if we ever split. Am I a terrible person for thinking that if me and ex rekindled properly, in the future it could mean a full sibling for my child? I've had friends/ family grow up where siblings had different dads and I never quite understood the family dynamics. (Myself and 4 siblings all have same parents)

Sorry it's long, I'm just torn

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 17/02/2021 16:39

Why not split with current partner
And not get with ex partner either
And be single , heal and maybe meet a nice one next time around ? Which is possible , and happier

Opentooffers · 17/02/2021 16:48

You should not look to a man for validation. It doesn't sound like you had much of a gap between your ex and current man, then you seem to think the next choice is between current man and ex, when clearly it should be neither.
Firstly, get rid of current man - that ideal family idea is so far off the mark with him, do not contemplate having a child with someone who doesn't even want to legally marry you ( and can easily leave you holding the baby without any notice), and who has clear controlling issues.
Spend time on your own while you effectively co-parent, do not jump straight in with your ex, he may feel more appealing at present as you are realising the flaws of your current partner, so relatively speaking, he doesn't seem as bad. He may well not be as bad, being sexist and controlling is an awful combo to live with, but let's not forget, your ex is a known cheat and cannot be relied upon either.
Just enjoy your own life for a while, see your current fella as having been a reasonable covid companion, but really, you know it won't work once things are back to normal and you want to see your friends, then you will really see how restrictive he can be when he locks you down like you are still in covid restrictions.

WaltzingBetty · 17/02/2021 16:48

What's a non legally binding marriage? Confused

That sounds like nothing except an excuse to control you as his 'wife' and 'property' whilst giving you no legal protection

He doesn't sound like he loves you he sounds like he wants to control you with zero consideration if your life culture thoughts or feelings.

Do not raise your daughter with this abusive man
But also be careful - splitting up with an abuser is dangerous

www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/What-is-abuse

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:49

@Bananalanacake

Has the current one tried to move in with you? tell him to fuck off out of your life, what a nasty bastard, stopping you from seeing friends. Aren't you worried about the idea of a Non-legally binding marriage?
Yes tried it but due to religion says we can't live together unless married. Feel as though he's trying to rush things through because he wants to spend every waking minute with me
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chipsandgin · 17/02/2021 16:49

His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything

Run. Run for the fucking hills & fast! A man who can’t understand platonic relationships and presumably has none of his own (because if he did he’d understand the nature and value of platonic friends) will not change and what he is asking is NOT ok, or normal. It means he also sees every woman as a potential sexual partner, and women and men as different species. It’s a recipe for disaster. You should be able to choose your friends, if you want to use social media then it’s your choice not his & ‘tell me everything’ is ominous, Huge huge red flags waving in your face there.

As for the ex - he’s a cheat & it’s you he cheated on - there is no coming back from that, I’m sure you can build a friendship where you co-parent effectively, which will be great for your child - but going back there would be a terrible idea.

Plenty of families are blended these days, you are so young & it’s definitely worth waiting for a decent man to come along & build a life with. If you do decide to have more children then anyone that judges you for having them with someone else is a fool - it’s 2021, it’s not an issue these days.

Please find the strength to get away from the current partner though before it is too late, cultural differences aren’t an excuse for being a controlling, jealous arsehole. Good luck!

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:50

@ginandbearit

Does his religion or culture allow for second wives? All i can see is you being absorbed into a family where you are second best because you are a woman but even more undervalued because you are tainted by being a divorcee with a child ..not looking good .
They do allow it, but don't get the impression this is what he's after. More so the rest of the comment re: woman with child, separated. I don't think it will go down well with the wider family. Immediates are ok- mum dads and 2 sisters, but they are quite westernised in comparison
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:51

@user1654236589623652

New man goes in the bin where controlling abusers belong.

You spend time working on yourself so you have better boundaries and don't let any more controlling men get this close to you again.

As for your ex and any feelings, that sounds more like nostalgia and familiarity than something to consider beyond having a healthy co-parenting arrangement.

Definitely an element of nostalgia. I do wish we could have worked out
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:52

@Coffeshopgirl

*The problem is, before lockdown I was very outgoing, spent a lot of time with friends, had an active social life etc. So because he has mainly known me throughout lockdown I feel it's an unfair representation of myself as I haven't been able to be myself! This is now causing many arguments etc.*

If current partner is trying to control your actions now, when your freedom is already curtailed by Covid situation, how will he be with you when restrictions are lifted?

You are young and have your life ahead of you. Neither of these men are right for you. As pp have said, concentrate on making your co-parenting relationship with your ex a good one for your child.
Bin current partner and take some time out for you. Life is actually ok when we are single!

Appreciate this.
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:54

@MzHz

So my ds dad was from Egypt

Muslim but not mega devout

He ruined my social life, tried to take every friend I had away from me

When challenged- that’s how we do things where I’m from.

I’m not saying all Muslim men are abusive, but this mad was abusive and he used his religion and his culture as a reason why I had to behave in the way he demanded

Run. Run and run and run some more.

This guy will devastate your life. He will devastate your dc life too.

Be single, work on enjoying setting your own rules and standards, be happy and embrace your social life, get your old friends back before it’s too late and never ever allow anyone to shut down your life again.

This really touched me, I definitely see elements of this over here. It's the not mega devout bit that irritates me.... follows some religious rules but quite happy to smoke and drink which I'm sure are not allowed
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:56

@user1654236589623652

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc, but do feel I'll lose large elements of my personality/ lifestyle that wouldn't be acceptable to him/ his family.

Genuinely why would you even consider this? Knowingly continuing down a path of being subjected to coercive control?

There is no need to try and accept having any devils in your life.

Truthfully, because it means stability. He has a good job, usually kind and I know I'd have a "good" life. But it's the safe option and I'd definitely be settling. Sex life is not great but after years of meeting absolute plonkers, I decided to not focus on certain things and this is where I've ended up!
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 16:57

@Palavah

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc

There is nothing picture-perfect about a 'partner' who is controlling, with a different set of standards for you from the one he lives by. Is that the life you want for your daughter, let alone you? Because he will try to control her too.

Big worry of mine! The fact that it will affect her life! He's already trying to play dad and it's annoying me because she hasn't properly built that with her dad yet, never mind him and his ever growing list of requirement for women and young girls
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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:02

@SunnySideUp2020

You need to raise your standards OP. A cheating ex isn't even remotely an option if you have some self respect. A controlling boyfriend with whom you already know you are not compatible with is also a no no.

Having a second child with a different man just means you made the wrong choice first time and you get another chance at a happy family and relationship. What matters is that you are loved and respected for who you are, and so is your daughter. A family isn't necessarily about blood. Nobody cares that your children have different dads. And just because your ex suddenly had a life crisis recently and decided to step up doesn't make him dad of the year. Why would you want another child with him? Can you trust him?

I could learn to trust him again. I've read countless threads on here of how people overcame infidelity. It's been 7 years total and we've both had individual therapy and wouldn't rush into things. Think it's a case of the the thread title, better the devil you know. I definitely want more children, and the way I see it I'm already tied to him till DD is 18 anyway. I've copied this long without him so if he decided to fuck off again I would be able to handle it (she says lol) Of course this is not the aim, but I feel as though I'd rather this eventuality that having a baby with someone else... I'm getting broody and scared of making a mistake!
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SnowdropsArePretty · 17/02/2021 17:04

Better no devil at all! Your current partner is horribly controlling - you and your DD deserve better. Don't dismiss it as cultural or religious differences that you need to accommodate. It's control, pure and simple.

Get rid, and don't feel as though you 'need' to be in a relationship at all. Spend some time working on your boundaries and your self-esteem Flowers

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:05

@WaltzingBetty

What's a non legally binding marriage? Confused

That sounds like nothing except an excuse to control you as his 'wife' and 'property' whilst giving you no legal protection

He doesn't sound like he loves you he sounds like he wants to control you with zero consideration if your life culture thoughts or feelings.

Do not raise your daughter with this abusive man
But also be careful - splitting up with an abuser is dangerous

www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/What-is-abuse

It's the 'in-house' type marriage his culture are known for. No public records in England etc, but in the eyes of god. Which is fuckin useless really. (Apologies, not particularly religious, not to offend anyone. He knew this from day 1 too)
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Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 17:15

He wants to rush things through so that he can TRAP you op. Then his mask will fully drop and the controlling nutjob he is will fully show.

If you aren't ready to walk (or run screaming) away yet, try telling him no. 'No I dont want to get married yet' 'No I am not ok with those terms' 'No it is not ok for you to ask these things of me'. See how he reacts. My bet would be he tries to guilt, shame or pressure you. Either straight away or after a little while if pretending to understand and introspect.

I hope you can see he is not partner or father material op.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2021 17:18

Marriage has been on the cards and we spoke/ argued about it recently. His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything". For what it's worth, current partner is from different religious culture to myself, one that could be said is known for women being 'less than' their male partner.

"Elements" of control?! This is full on controlling and misogynist behaviour.

This doesn't sound like a relationship with compatible values, at all. You are an independent mother already. He believes women should do as they are told.

So he's traditional enough to buy into the misogyny and getting the final say, but progressive enough to sleep with you before marriage? Best of both worlds much?

Ugh.

What are you thinking planning a long term relationship, let alone a marriage, with this man when you have a daughter? Do you want her to learn that women are second class citizens? That they can't have male friends without falling on their dicks so need to be prevented from contact?

This makes my head explode. Be single. Work on your boundaries. Focus on teaching your daughter that a relationship can be healthy and happy. They aren't all awful or controlling.

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:18

@Wanderlusto

He wants to rush things through so that he can TRAP you op. Then his mask will fully drop and the controlling nutjob he is will fully show.

If you aren't ready to walk (or run screaming) away yet, try telling him no. 'No I dont want to get married yet' 'No I am not ok with those terms' 'No it is not ok for you to ask these things of me'. See how he reacts. My bet would be he tries to guilt, shame or pressure you. Either straight away or after a little while if pretending to understand and introspect.

I hope you can see he is not partner or father material op.

I can, thank you. Just received another request to delete someone from Instagram because he had a "bad vibe" about this guy. Delusional. I'm running.
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Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 17:20

Eee. What a creep.

Hope you can end things safely. Dont be slow to threaten police involvement if he wont leave you alone.

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:20

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Marriage has been on the cards and we spoke/ argued about it recently. His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything". For what it's worth, current partner is from different religious culture to myself, one that could be said is known for women being 'less than' their male partner.

"Elements" of control?! This is full on controlling and misogynist behaviour.

This doesn't sound like a relationship with compatible values, at all. You are an independent mother already. He believes women should do as they are told.

So he's traditional enough to buy into the misogyny and getting the final say, but progressive enough to sleep with you before marriage? Best of both worlds much?

Ugh.

What are you thinking planning a long term relationship, let alone a marriage, with this man when you have a daughter? Do you want her to learn that women are second class citizens? That they can't have male friends without falling on their dicks so need to be prevented from contact?

This makes my head explode. Be single. Work on your boundaries. Focus on teaching your daughter that a relationship can be healthy and happy. They aren't all awful or controlling.

Thank you. My same sentiments re: sex before marriage (he booked us a hotel for our second date, just before lockdown happened) but yet acts holier than thou in regards to other things
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youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2021 17:22

It's the not mega devout bit that irritates me.... follows some religious rules but quite happy to smoke and drink which I'm sure are not allowed

As is shagging you, I assume? Cherry picking rules that benefit his own wants while rejecting any principles than benefit your needs. Like not being controlled.

You mention an ever growing list of requirements he feels should apply to women and girls. I'm sorry to be so upfront about this but what the fuck are you thinking having a man like this in your daughters life?! Letting him play dad and develop a bond with her? How can you bear someone who thinks so little of females to be around your child?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2021 17:25

Thank you. My same sentiments re: sex before marriage (he booked us a hotel for our second date, just before lockdown happened) but yet acts holier than thou in regards to other things

But they aren't sentiments you've shared with him, because you've continued to see him for a year after that? I'm confused as to how you've been so passive. And how you call him a 'safe option' because he has a good job. There's nothing safe about a controlling misogynist who wants to live with you and your daughter, not really get married but enjoy the benefits a misogynist gets out of a controlling marriage while offering none of the benefits or legal protection a partner gets in an actual, happy marriage.

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:27

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Thank you. My same sentiments re: sex before marriage (he booked us a hotel for our second date, just before lockdown happened) but yet acts holier than thou in regards to other things

But they aren't sentiments you've shared with him, because you've continued to see him for a year after that? I'm confused as to how you've been so passive. And how you call him a 'safe option' because he has a good job. There's nothing safe about a controlling misogynist who wants to live with you and your daughter, not really get married but enjoy the benefits a misogynist gets out of a controlling marriage while offering none of the benefits or legal protection a partner gets in an actual, happy marriage.

You're right. I've allowed it to happen... I didn't think it would get this far and think he's pressured things abit
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dancingbymyself · 17/02/2021 17:28

It's not a safe option to stay with someone abusive.

I honestly think you need therapy before entering a new (or old but please god don't) relationship.

jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 17:28

@youvegottenminuteslynn

It's the not mega devout bit that irritates me.... follows some religious rules but quite happy to smoke and drink which I'm sure are not allowed

As is shagging you, I assume? Cherry picking rules that benefit his own wants while rejecting any principles than benefit your needs. Like not being controlled.

You mention an ever growing list of requirements he feels should apply to women and girls. I'm sorry to be so upfront about this but what the fuck are you thinking having a man like this in your daughters life?! Letting him play dad and develop a bond with her? How can you bear someone who thinks so little of females to be around your child?

Thank you. Harsh but I had to hear it. My friends won't say anything like this cos they think he's great on the surface.
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Wanderlusto · 17/02/2021 17:29

Seems he just picks bits of his religion that he can use to back up his shittyness. A fake. A misogynistic, controlling fake. Not the first or the last bully to use religious text to justify their bs.

I kinda hope you tell him its over because he is a crazy, controlling bastard and he should seek therapy asap. But maybe that's not wise xD

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