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Better the devil you know, than the one you don't

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jazzyjazz22 · 17/02/2021 14:59

Back story: Split from ex about 5 years ago. Went NC for a while due to infidelity while having a young child. Very minimal visitation (enforced by me) and just generally didn't talk. Lockdown came and he grew a conscience about his DD and has made strong efforts over the past year to rebuild relationship with child.

Been with current partner 1 year, got together just before the first lockdown around the time ex first got in contact. Explained that we'd been NC for a while, and it was early days. Things have gone well, met my DD just before Xmas and we've been "happy".

Marriage has been on the cards and we spoke/ argued about it recently. His 'conditions' of marriage are that I no longer keep male friends, limit my social media use and what he describes as "tell me everything". For what it's worth, current partner is from different religious culture to myself, one that could be said is known for women being 'less than' their male partner. (Has been playing on my mind- think non-legally binding, no public record marriage rather than registry or church wedding)

My problem is in starting to think there's elements of control going on. I've already made a lot of changes in the short space we've been together- changed phone number, deleted some social media accounts and limited contact with male friends are the most notable ones. These were mainly due to his insecurities about my extended male network.

The problem is, before lockdown I was very outgoing, spent a lot of time with friends, had an active social life etc. So because he has mainly known me throughout lockdown I feel it's an unfair representation of myself as I haven't been able to be myself! This is now causing many arguments etc.

Now the spanner in the works- ex called for weekly catch up with DD and have felt myself wandering. We had a conversation about the past and what we each could be accountable for and it's left me thinking.

Stay with current partner and try and implement a very different lifestyle I don't know much about, that have very clear cultural and religious impacts. It means obtaining the picture perfect family etc, but do feel I'll lose large elements of my personality/ lifestyle that wouldn't be acceptable to him/ his family.
Or, DONT get back with ex, but actually spend time co- parenting effectively without the worry that I'm hurting my partners feelings by spending extended time with another man. I think I have realised there may still be feelings there but the worry is the history.

Side note: call me strange or stuck in my ways but I am absolutely terrified of having a second child by another man. I'm worried about any possible exclusions for my older child, what the situation could look like if we ever split. Am I a terrible person for thinking that if me and ex rekindled properly, in the future it could mean a full sibling for my child? I've had friends/ family grow up where siblings had different dads and I never quite understood the family dynamics. (Myself and 4 siblings all have same parents)

Sorry it's long, I'm just torn

OP posts:
jazzyjazz22 · 20/02/2021 01:12

I've done it. I've left him

OP posts:
Wanderlusto · 20/02/2021 02:57

Well done op!
Hope it went ok!

therearefourlights · 20/02/2021 03:07

Well done, stay strong. Be prepared for long texts/calls to try to confuse/guilt trip you. It'll pass, but it's something to get through. Don't engage further.

Princessbanana · 20/02/2021 03:14

💐 good for you Op, it’s sounds like you’ve dodged a massive bullet!!💕

BlueThistles · 20/02/2021 04:35

Thank goodness you left this hypocritical controlling prick 🌺

Sawyersfishbiscuits · 20/02/2021 04:52

That's very good news. If you ever feel wobbly about it, just look at your daughter. You both deserve better. Good luck for the future.

3rdNamechange · 20/02/2021 07:33

@jazzyjazz22

I've done it. I've left him
Fantastic news. Now block him on everything.
Dery · 20/02/2021 07:51

Great news, OP. He may try to hoover you back in but he’s really bad news for you and your daughter, and he won’t change enough to become an acceptable life partner, so keep posting here for support if you need it.

MzHz · 20/02/2021 08:21

Woo hoo! Wooooooo hoooooo!

Well done sweetheart! That’s amazing news

Now... seriously- don’t let him back. Block him, change numbers if you need to, don’t ever fall for this again

Please look at the Freedom Programme- do it online.

Please keep talking to us, to friends and keep talking about how you are, listen to yourself and notice how good you feel when you’re not being questioned and monitored

Connect with all your old friends - tell them what’s happened and apologise for what he made you do.

You’ll need people around you

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/02/2021 08:27

Good on you for getting rid of the abusive controlling man. Keep him out of both yours and your DDs lives, he really does need to be blocked on everything going forward. Do not give him any more of your time.

Someone once said that the worst type of bad man is the religious bad man. Such types really do pick and choose aspects of Islam for their own ends and these men certainly hate women, ALL of them. I have no doubt either that you were targeted by him (as my friend also was and sadly for her she went on to marry her abuser because they are from the same religion. She had one of those ceremonies you wrote of and ended up giving him quite a substantial financial sum as part of their divorce). This man was certainly not right for you and nor for that matter is your ex. Be on your own with your DD and love your own self for a change.

I would also agree with the other respondents who have mentioned therapy; ask yourself too what you learnt about relationships when you were growing up. Look also at the example your parents showed you. Explore all that through therapy. You need to unlearn all the crap you learnt about relationships along the way and totally reassess your approach to relationships. Love your own self for a change Jazzyjazz; that is the best thing you can do for both yourself and your DD now. She needs to learn both positive and life affirming lessons on relationship.

Discuss your boundaries further in therapy; these need to be both revised and raised. Men like this abuser who has been in your life can and do further erode perhaps already weakened boundaries and you remain vulnerable to further approaches from abusers. The last thing you need now is yet another relationship.

I would also suggest you read "Why does he do that?" written by Lundy Bancroft.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/02/2021 08:29

Link to the Freedom programme:-

www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/

Invest in you now rather than these men.

Dery · 20/02/2021 08:32

“Discuss your boundaries further in therapy; these need to be both revised and raised. Men like this abuser who has been in your life can and do further erode perhaps already weakened boundaries and you remain vulnerable to further approaches from abusers. The last thing you need now is yet another relationship.”

This with bells on, OP. Also read up about the shark cage.

LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella · 20/02/2021 08:37

I got to "I do think that I will lose large elements of my personality" and felt chilled. How on earth would this be good for anyone, above all for your child??

You need time on your own to work out what a healthy relationship is. Your current situation is deeply unhealthy, please walk away.

saracorona · 21/02/2021 10:41

Blown away that you have taken assertive action so quickly. The support and the advice that you have received has been quite emotional for me. I have so many triggering memories of my mother, and of others over the decades whose lives could have been so different if they had a smidgen of this.

You may have escaped the actual prison for now, it's escaping the imprisoning aftermath that is most important. I'm an old woman and most I knew never recovered. I believe this is because they had no inner tools to help them. Shame or embarrassment made it hard for them to talk about it and even if they could, where could they go?
You have the advantage of online programmes and support. When you have created a bit of distance you may wonder what you saw in him, why you put up with it, this can become imprisoning. I've known women who ended up hating themselves more than the abuser. Please use what you can to rebuild and to recover for yourself and your daughter. She has gone through this as well, what happens to you happens to her too. Seeing you recover and gain strength from this will shore her up for life.

Orla1970 · 21/02/2021 12:26

As others have said try and reframe this. It’s not current guy or ex. You don’t need to choose one of these men. I think I’d choose nether. Major red flags on the ‘conditions’ of the marriage. Fuck right off with that one! The control has started and you’ve complied. This man is not for you. Get out. There’s plenty of decent guys out there that don’t feel they need to control women. Has he said anything about the ‘consequences’ of non compliance of his conditions? Get out. While you can x

chipsandgin · 21/02/2021 12:34

Well done OP Flowers & good luck with whatever the future holds. Re-read this thread if you ever even a moment of doubt at all about that decision, you’ve absolutely done the right thing for you & your DD.

Holothane · 21/02/2021 14:21

Brilliant news now as others have said block on everything. Hugs.

TemperIWasLosin · 21/02/2021 14:26

You should split up with the current one and give yourself at least a year on your own, see how you feel. You might meet someone who wouldn't cheat or control, or you might know how you feel.

TemperIWasLosin · 21/02/2021 14:26

Sorry, didn't read the thread!

Itstimetoquit · 21/02/2021 20:27

How are you op x

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