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he says "nothing serious" but acts serious

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Lostgirl94 · 05/02/2021 13:48

Please help, I've been dating someone for about 8 months. I've known him for over 10 years and we've always been a big part of each other's lives, being drawn back to one another every time.

We have an incredible bond/ friendship, everyone around us says we are like best friends and we both agree the sex is the best we have ever had. Especially with lockdown and as we both live alone and are apart of our social bubble, we've been spending a lot of time together. some of my stuff is even at his place and when it was allowed he even brought me around his friends to get to know each other. Potentially TMI, but every time we sleep together he finishes inside me, I've told him even though I am on the pill this is still extremely risky but he doesn't care.

We basically have all the ingredients of the perfect relationship just without the title. Its valentines next week and also my birthday so he has asked me to stay the weekend, he is going to cook and we can have a drink to celebrate, which I'm really looking forward to.

Basically, I'm in love with him, always have been, always will be and he knows this. The thing is, in the past, he has said he can't imagine us being in a relationship and has mentioned he doesn't want anything serious... but what we have right now is very much so I would say?

I don't want to scare him off but also don't know how much longer I should continue this without kidding myself. He makes me the happiest I have ever been and I know I do the same for him because he has told me.

What should i do? or am i an idiot.

OP posts:
RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 18:00

[quote ElizabethofpeanutYorkies]**@RootyT00t* no, that was what @Wanderlusto* correctly posting to this thread. That was her reply to a 26 yr old young woman asking for support!!!

Her other reply, since removed, was presumably in
response to a far more sensitive thread on another board.

Sorry to have interrupted yr thread OP.

[/quote]
Thanks for this.
Im confused as to why she is claiming it is sexual assault when OP is saying nothing of the sort unless I've missed this.

Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 18:03

The post I had removed was the only one in the wrong place. And was relevant to that poster.

My post here was a bit blunt tbf and no one wants to hear the words 'sexual assault'. But if someone has sex with you in a way that you have told them you are not ok with, that's what it is - sexual assault.

However much op may want to minimise it because she likes this guy. The clear breach of her boundaries during sex is the best evidence that he is not the one for her.

RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 18:03

@Wanderlusto

The post I had removed was the only one in the wrong place. And was relevant to that poster.

My post here was a bit blunt tbf and no one wants to hear the words 'sexual assault'. But if someone has sex with you in a way that you have told them you are not ok with, that's what it is - sexual assault.

However much op may want to minimise it because she likes this guy. The clear breach of her boundaries during sex is the best evidence that he is not the one for her.

What has she said she is not ok with? How is he committing sexual assault?
Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 18:06

Op is not mentioning it specifically. Probably because she thinks she hasn't been clear enough with him or some other excuse she is making in order to tell herself he isnt a bad person.

But she mentions that - although she has told him not to finish inside her, he continues to do so. Which is very, very dodgy ground.

RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 18:07

@Wanderlusto

Op is not mentioning it specifically. Probably because she thinks she hasn't been clear enough with him or some other excuse she is making in order to tell herself he isnt a bad person.

But she mentions that - although she has told him not to finish inside her, he continues to do so. Which is very, very dodgy ground.

No she doesn't.

She says it is risky (im not sure in what way). She also says it's the best sex she's ever had. In the context she's written it, it's far more likely the finishing is mentioned to show that she thinks he is serious about her.

You are leaping. Massively.

rawalpindithelabrador · 05/02/2021 18:08

What needs to matter is you, OP, and your feelings. They count! You deserve what you want. But in this case, you need to put those feelings first here or I can promise you'll be unhappy. And you don't deserve that.

Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 18:17

Hmm re- reading and yeah actually it could mean that she is telling him its risky but she is ok with taking the risk herself (or is just going on with it because she thinks it means he must like her to take this risk)

Maybe I am leaping.

As long as op knows that she should not just go along with something she doesnt want. For any reason. And that she can say no. And if she does, he should respect those wishes.

RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 18:18

@Wanderlusto

Hmm re- reading and yeah actually it could mean that she is telling him its risky but she is ok with taking the risk herself (or is just going on with it because she thinks it means he must like her to take this risk)

Maybe I am leaping.

As long as op knows that she should not just go along with something she doesnt want. For any reason. And that she can say no. And if she does, he should respect those wishes.

I think she's making it clear to him that she thinks she could get pregnant and assuming he's okay with this.

Although I worry about her thoughts on this if she thinks the pill is extremely risky.

Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 18:24

My worry wouldbe that she thinks 'ok he is talking the risk so he must care so much about me that he doesnt care if I get pregnant and he would be there for me'. When actually he is just thinking 'I dont care if she gets pregnant because that's the womans problem to fix'. Pregnancy is not really a 'risk' for men. At least not the sort of men with zero moral fibre. Like men who string women along...

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 05/02/2021 18:25

"@Wanderlusto Hmm re- reading and yeah actually it could mean that she is telling him its risky but she is ok with taking the risk herself (or is just going on with it because she thinks it means he must like her to take this risk)
Maybe I am leaping. "

Maybe re read and think more carefully before you post.

Mermaidwaves · 05/02/2021 18:26

I've been where you are OP and its so tough. You want to read all the signs that he feels the same way and it's easy to start fooling yourself, I did the same. Sadly though you will get hurt, six months on I'm still heartbroken.

When a man says he doesn't want you, listen to him. He's telling you that he likes you enough for sex and hanging out, but not quite enough for commitment. When you think about that its really hurtful and I can't believe I fell for that myself. When he meets a girl he does like enough he will end things with you I guarantee. Of course you won't be able to say anything because you're not in a relationship!

Have the conversation with him, be strong and I do understand the fear of scaring him off, I too felt that. The pain when they meet the girl they do want to settle with is immense though and you need to save yourself from that. Good luck!

RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 18:28

@Wanderlusto

My worry wouldbe that she thinks 'ok he is talking the risk so he must care so much about me that he doesnt care if I get pregnant and he would be there for me'. When actually he is just thinking 'I dont care if she gets pregnant because that's the womans problem to fix'. Pregnancy is not really a 'risk' for men. At least not the sort of men with zero moral fibre. Like men who string women along...
Yes.

But that's not sexual assault.

OrchestraOfWankery · 05/02/2021 18:29

You're his 'good enough for now' woman. He clearly doesn't care much as he refuses to use condoms. Start refusing sex.

Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 18:30

Not saying it is.

It depends on the context of her telling him its risky. Which we dont know. But as I said, upon rereading it could just be that she tells him its risky but is cool with going along with it anyway..

Countrywalking · 05/02/2021 18:35

A man will walk over hot coals if he wants to date you. You will know if he wants an exclusive relationship. Men who want a relationship with you will be quick off the mark.
As someone said please please watch the film He's just not that into you.

I have a friend who constantly gets into these set ups and she thinks if she is available and sleeps with a guy it'll develop into a relationship. Nothing with with having sex but to have it in the pursuit of solidifying a relationship is dangerous and pointless. She ended up in a 4 year 'relationship' and he never wanted anything more, he was honest, she was devastated.

Happycat1212 · 05/02/2021 18:36

Why do people always scream abuse at every little thing, it’s not sexual assault ffs

rawalpindithelabrador · 05/02/2021 18:40

@Mermaidwaves

I've been where you are OP and its so tough. You want to read all the signs that he feels the same way and it's easy to start fooling yourself, I did the same. Sadly though you will get hurt, six months on I'm still heartbroken.

When a man says he doesn't want you, listen to him. He's telling you that he likes you enough for sex and hanging out, but not quite enough for commitment. When you think about that its really hurtful and I can't believe I fell for that myself. When he meets a girl he does like enough he will end things with you I guarantee. Of course you won't be able to say anything because you're not in a relationship!

Have the conversation with him, be strong and I do understand the fear of scaring him off, I too felt that. The pain when they meet the girl they do want to settle with is immense though and you need to save yourself from that. Good luck!

Wise words from Mermaid here! She's spot on and she's not alone. Been there myself, it's REALLY sore ((()). Hang in there, Mermaid! I can promise you it gets better! When I started seeing my now husband and father of our children, he made it clear after a couple of months that he wanted a real relationship, he was tired of players and mindfucks and being casual and asked me point blank if I was interested in taking things further as boyfriend/girlfriend.

I'd been in a string along relationship for nearly 7 years before and went the well-trodden path of living with him. It hurt like hell to end it but 4 months later he was engaged to someone else (it didn't last, and he didn't actually end up marrying until years later). He was also 'the best sex I'd ever had' and we'd been friends for years before and I thought he was the love of my life, but I had to walk away because he wasn't ready for real commitment.

Ronnii · 05/02/2021 18:46

I was in a similar position once. So in love with someone who doesn't want to be serious but everything feels like a relationship.

It was hard but I had to end it. I wanted so much more and he was wasting my life.

MaelyssQ · 05/02/2021 18:52

I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and have a talk with him about your relationship. If he's using as a lockdown stopgap, but allowing you to believe his feelings have changed, then he's being unkind.

He has categorically told you he doesn't want a relationship with you. Ask him if this is still the case. If there wasn't a pandemic and his options weren't limited, do you think you'd still be together? I hope I'm wrong, but it does sound as if he's with you until something better comes along.

Lostgirl94 · 05/02/2021 19:04

Hiya,
I have been at work so was unable to respond but again thank you so much to all of you who have commented.

In regards to the pill and me telling him it was risky, i meant this purely from a bad experience a couple of years ago where I fell pregnant whilst being on the same pill and was taking it correctly, we then miscarried. I also realise i was and am being extremely naive when it comes to being intimate with him but can honestly say he has never and would never sexually assault me.

I also wanted to mention that we didn’t start off as fwb, We have been good friends for over 10 years and I’ve seen him in and out of failed relationships and throughout he has always ended up pouring his heart out to me saying he has never and would never meet anyone like me and that he does love me.

It was only 8 months ago that I finally decided to give him the chance and clearly for what as he seems to have changed his mind.

Since reading your messages I have taken it upon myself to do some research into love bombing and it sounds familiar in some ways.

All comments are in unison with telling me to end it with him etc, I guess my second question is how you find the strength to do that?

Thank you x

OP posts:
Mermaidwaves · 05/02/2021 19:16

@rawalpindithelabrador
Its the toughest thing ever isn't it! And yep mine was the best sex I've ever had too. I won't make this mistake again though, if I'm not good enough to be a proper girlfriend they're not worth my time.

Wanderlusto · 05/02/2021 19:20

Hopefully it will just sorta 'click' that he isnt offering you what you need. You gotta take a step back and examine the facts. Rather than listening to blind hope. Then it becomes more about 'it just has to be done' rather than a question of strength. Cause you're just done with it.

Maybe write a list of all the things he has said and did that show that he doesnt want to commit to you.

You could also tell him you want a relationship and ask him flat out if he wants a relationship. If he says no then take that as closure and walk away. Think that might hurt like bajeezus but maybe you need to hear it.

RootyT00t · 05/02/2021 19:21

@Lostgirl94

Hiya, I have been at work so was unable to respond but again thank you so much to all of you who have commented.

In regards to the pill and me telling him it was risky, i meant this purely from a bad experience a couple of years ago where I fell pregnant whilst being on the same pill and was taking it correctly, we then miscarried. I also realise i was and am being extremely naive when it comes to being intimate with him but can honestly say he has never and would never sexually assault me.

I also wanted to mention that we didn’t start off as fwb, We have been good friends for over 10 years and I’ve seen him in and out of failed relationships and throughout he has always ended up pouring his heart out to me saying he has never and would never meet anyone like me and that he does love me.

It was only 8 months ago that I finally decided to give him the chance and clearly for what as he seems to have changed his mind.

Since reading your messages I have taken it upon myself to do some research into love bombing and it sounds familiar in some ways.

All comments are in unison with telling me to end it with him etc, I guess my second question is how you find the strength to do that?

Thank you x

Nobody has the answer to that. We've all been there. Knowing your own worth is a good start.

Bless you for your previous experience 💓

Honeyroar · 05/02/2021 19:26

I’d just put him on the spot. Tell him you want a proper relationship or it needs to end. See what he says. If he’s not prepared to step it up and commit then it finishes. By eight months, a lot of relationships are pretty much at the telling each other they love them..

rawalpindithelabrador · 05/02/2021 19:31

Well, for me, in answer to your last question, I had to start thinking that I mattered as much as he did. It was not easy. Friends helped. See, what happens with this sort of thing is you get sucked in, you allow it, fair enough, I did. And he's not a bad man, he just wasn't on the same page and wasn't as far along in maturity as I was, it happens, and age has nothing to do with it, my husband is younger than I am by nearly 7 years.

So it really hurt but all the more so because he did make it clear where he was before we got so further along, IYKWIM. I chose to ignore it, thinking he'd change, things were so good, after all.

But I really wish I'd ended it at the stage where you are because he was happy to coast and I made him think I was, too, by going along with it, IYKWIM. It ended up costing me a lot more than it should have because I was stuck to my ideals and the fallacy of sunken costs and 'if only he'.

I actually practised ending it with him in the mirror, yes! Many times and I'd cry and cry. It was painful.

One good friend, a gay man, I told him, 'But where am I without him?' He said, 'Where are you with him now? Where will you be in a year, two, whatever, like this? Where are YOU? Because, honey, I survived a lot, I went through a lot and here I am!' I was furious with him but then I went home and chewed on what he said and I realised, he was right.

I was actually re-reading 'Jane Eyre' and that passage where she goes on about 'Who cares about me? I'm no one and I love him,' and contemplates staying as his mistress. And then she writes, 'I care about myself.'

And realising that what I wanted, a real relationship with a future, and to me this meant marriage and kids, was not ridiculous or needy or grasping but quite ordinary and normal and why shouldn't I have it? Did I not deserve that, or even the chance for that to be possible? If I went out there and tried it and it didn't work out, I'd know I tried to the best of my abilities and not given away my power to do that for someone who didn't want the same thing with me; that that was not wrong, and very common. But that I'd be okay with that, at least I tried.

And I was older than you, I was 30 then. But my strength was that if I tried and it failed, I could better live with that than having given the rights to that decision to someone else because I was too weak to stand up for what I wanted and deserved.

Because you deserve a real boyfriend because that is what you want and you are not a bad or needy or grasping person for wanting that. Someone who's like, I want that, too, I want a girlfriend, a partner, a wife, etc.

You deserve that. You're in the prime of your life. You deserve what you want.

I read it on here once and it begs repeating. A woman who stated, 'Would you trade a diamond as big as your fist for 50 quid and some NEXT vouchers? No, you wouldn't. So don't do it now. You're giving diamond behaviour. You should have it return.'

You're not on the same page. That doesn't make him or you bad people. But it makes you incompatible and it makes you waste your time.

Just don't.

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