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Do I leave, and if so, how? Emotional abuse

78 replies

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 10:22

I have posted previously under a different username last year but situation has changed, or rather I've had my eyes opened more now. Previously I was asking whether behaviour of DH was abusive. Now I know it is (I think, I still have moments of doubt creep in) and am after advice on how to leave.

Some examples of recent behaviour.

  • I gave DS (age 1) a crisp/puff thing in the car as he was getting hangry when we were heading out somewhere. DS snatched the tub off me and they went everywhere. I said to DH that I'd better hoover the car when we got back. He sighed and didn't answer me, then when we got home and he saw the crisps everywhere he slammed the car door while holding DS and stormed off huffing and wouldn't speak to me. I said I would go and hoover it but he said I shouldn't have given him all of those crisps, I explained that I had only passed him one but that he snatched the tub off me. He said "well as long as that really is what happened".
  • I do all the shopping as DH is incapable. He will have to ring me or send me endless photo messages from shop etc. Anyway last week I was very poorly and had to wait in for a parcel and asked him to pick up some specific sanitary towels from shop. He came back with some tena lady nappy type things. I said to him nicely that they weren't what I was after and he slammed them on the floor and stormed off huffing and would only speak to me in a barely audible voice for ages.
  • Last week I was cleaning high chair and DH said he would do it. I said it's okay I've almost finished, and he said it again louder. I laughed and said don't shout and he became very upset and said he has asked me multiple times not to accuse him of shouting and he found it very upsetting that I would do that as he's not a wife beater. I said I was only joking and he said I shouldn't say it even as a joke.
  • A few days ago I went shopping and when I got back DS wanted a feed (breastfed) so I left DH to unpack. The next day I noticed he had put something meant to go in the fridge in a cupboard and it had gone off, I made a joke about it and he stormed off saying he can't do anything right anymore and sighing, huffing etc. Then we got in the car and he was driving really erratically and yanking the steering wheel suddenly etc and then said he was stressed and felt like punching someone in the face. He parked in a car park far away from where I needed to be and I politely said that I was not sure how it would work as I was going to put DS in trolley at shop and therefore wouldnt be able to take pushchair as well. That annoyed him and he again drove off in a huff. When we pulled up he started saying I am making him feel lonely and like he is an inconvenience.

There's a lot more but I won't lost every single incident.

I am right aren't I, this isn't on? I've been with this man for half of my life and I have very low self esteem and think I have had my head buried in the sand a bit, but want what's best for DS. I think what woke me up a bit was when DS was rummaging around in the fridge and some cream spilled, my first thought was that DH was going to be annoyed and my heart started racing and I rushed to get something to clean it up before he saw.

What is keeping me here is that we have just signed another six months on our tenancy, and also I can't bear the thought of having split custody of DS and being away from him. I know DH loves DS but he just does the easy bits of parenting, the playing and making DS laugh etc. He spends most of his days on his phone and vaping. I am just not sure how to actually leave, do I tell him or do I just go one day? He is furloughed and has been since the start of this lockdown so obviously it's hard to speak to anyone right now as he's always home. He always tags along for the pushchair walks etc so can't get any time to call anyone. I have started doing a housing application in my sole name without him knowing but obviously it's complicated because I'm liable for half of the rent and bills here.

He's also nice/normal to me 80-90% of the time, and is very convincing to outsiders. I don't think a lot of people would believe how he really is and they say how nice he is, how lucky I am. When I have said to him in the past I feel like I'm treading on eggshells, he says that's how I make him feel, and it makes me doubt myself, maybe I'm the bad one but I don't know why. He is very good at making me feel sorry for him and I worry if I leave he would become suicidal. He always calls me out on my facial expressions or my tone of voice or thinks I'm annoyed when I'm not. He has never been physically violent to me, although when we first met he threatened to slap me and I sometimes wish I'd left then.

Sorry it's long and jumbled, am trying to type rapidly on phone while DS naps. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Arrivederla · 30/01/2021 10:30

This is not right or normal behaviour from him - the whole driving erratically and yanking the steering wheel is terrifying and meant to frighten you and get you to stfu.

Do you have anyone close to you - friends, family - who you can talk to about this?

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 10:48

@Arrivederla

This is not right or normal behaviour from him - the whole driving erratically and yanking the steering wheel is terrifying and meant to frighten you and get you to stfu.

Do you have anyone close to you - friends, family - who you can talk to about this?

I have spoken to my mum about it, who has said I can go and stay with her, but she lives in a small flat with my sister, there's no room and I have an elderly cat and she has a dog. I only have a couple of friends, both of whom say I should leave. It just all feels so overwhelming and it's hard when he's being totally nice and normal like he is today to not doubt myself.
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halfhope · 30/01/2021 10:54

Abusers are nice sometimes and then set off again. It's the pattern. Don't live like this OP.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/01/2021 10:56

He is showing you the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one. Abusive people can appear to be quite plausible to those in the outside world but I would think that one or two have their own private based suspicions about him.

You cannot remain with him just because of your cat, I would think he would mistreat your cat too if you stayed. There are organisations out there who could temporarily care for your cat till you get back on your feet.

Your friends are also correct here with him. And as for him being normal 80-90% of the time how did you arrive at such a figure?. It’s wrong. Remember too that the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

halfhope · 30/01/2021 10:58

He's also making himself out to be the victim, turning his behaviour back on you. Relationships aren't meant to be this difficult and if you feel you are walking on eggshells then something's wrong. You are being conditioned by him through his abusive behaviour.

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 10:58

I will feel guilty if I leave because I know he would not be able to pay for the rent and the bills here by himself, and if I move I would somehow have to pay for that place also. So not sure logistically how it'll all work, on top of worrying about him trying to take DS etc.

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Arrivederla · 30/01/2021 10:59

I honestly think this is just going to get more difficult the longer you stay for. You need to get yourself and dc out of there as soon as you can. Do you still want to still be with this man in 10 years time? 20 years time? You will become more and more ground down and more and more trapped.

I know it's not easy and it doesn't sound like staying with your mum would be great, but it would be a start and get you out of the door and on your way to a better future. (Don't put your cat ahead of your dc!)

Shoxfordian · 30/01/2021 10:59

Can you stay with your friends? Leave him ASAP

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/01/2021 11:00

If this man spends most of his day either on his phone or vaping then clearly he has no interest in his son. Do you really think that such a man would want his child to look after half the week, no. If he did love his son he would not abuse you as his mother.

He has really done a number on you and he will continue to harm both you and you son should you remain with him. You have a choice de this man and your child does not.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/01/2021 11:03

So what if he could not pay the bills or rent?. Not your problem so stop making that yours. If you rent your name should be removed from the tenancy.

Stop putting him ahead of you. How does he pay for his phone and vaping?.

halfhope · 30/01/2021 11:03

Could one of the animal charities help with placing your cat somewhere until you get a place? Also don't worry about how he'll pay the rent etc. That's not your responsibility and you need to let him stand on his own two feet. The only rent and expenses you need to worry about are your own. He'll adapt. Don't deny him a growing experience 😁

farandfew · 30/01/2021 11:15

What really stood out from your post is how reluctant you are to challenge him. You say you "politely ask him" and say things "as a joke" etc - this must show you how you're tiptoeing round him. If a non-abusive husband had left a fridge item to go off in a cupboard you could tell him, probably also call him a stupid wazzock, and he'd laugh and agree. The world would continue to turn. This walking on eggshells is not a way to live.

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 12:25

Thank you everyone. Yes I am afraid to challenge him and have been for years. If I ever defend myself, I am told i am arguing and not to argue. If I bring something up to discuss he says we don't need to have that discussion, etc. I feel like a shell.

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Coronawireless · 30/01/2021 12:30

Hard to say. You both sound dissatisfied with the relationship. Counselling may help to decide whether to change the way you relate to each other or separate. Random strangers listening to a post from one person’s side cannot help here.

Coronawireless · 30/01/2021 12:32

Sorry just read that he spends most of his day vaping or on the phone and that he threatened to hit you before. That’s more objective.

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 19:54

I am really geared up to leave, getting my ducks in a row as they say, however I just do not have the strength to do it face to face and know he will guilt trip me, but feel a coward just sneaking off when he's out. I just don't know how to get the ball rolling, as it were.

He has further convinced me how selfish he is today when I said to him I felt shaky from not having eaten all day and he then proceeded to cut himself a massive slice of chocolate cake and eat it slowly in front of me before going for a vape, coming back in time for me to start cooking dinner (he has cooked for me twice since DS was born almost 14 months ago and lorded it over me both times). I know that's not abusive, just bloody irritating. I just can't stand the sight of him anymore.

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PandaVie · 30/01/2021 20:31

He won’t have split custody while breastfeeding! Keep it up you’re doing a great job!

PandaVie · 30/01/2021 20:33

Why did you have a baby with a man you’re frightened of?

No need to answer here.

Just get a few very quick ducks in a row and get away.

TheBlueStocking · 30/01/2021 20:45

He's one hundred percent abusive. The worst part in all this is that you have to spend your whole life scared that he's going to go for you again. It must be dreadful for you. Sorry, OP

TheBlueStocking · 30/01/2021 20:45

@PandaVie

Why did you have a baby with a man you’re frightened of?

No need to answer here.

Just get a few very quick ducks in a row and get away.

No need to ask here!
Onwardsandonwards · 30/01/2021 22:00

You have your whole life ahead of you, you and DC deserve a life of happily munching crisp puffs without fear! I implore you to put yourself first. Crumbs are no big deal. Fear IS a big deal. If you live in London I could probably even find someone to look after your cat for you!

Itstimetoquit · 30/01/2021 22:10

Leave him he's not a nice man x

crystalize · 31/01/2021 00:08

It would be best to go without telling him as I doubt he would let you go that easily and manipulate you to stay.
So what if he can't pay the bills? He is NOT your problem. You need to start feeling anger at the way he treats you. You do not deserve to live like this and your DS will start picking up on it soon.

Start putting YOU and DS first and foremost. Remember he doesn't love you. All he wants is power and control. He enjoys seeing you weak. You owe this pathetic excuse of a man nothing.

MrDarcysMa · 31/01/2021 00:37

Op you need to get out. Don't let your dc grow up on eggshells being scared of their father. If you can't be brave for yourself, do it for them. Tell your friends and family who will be helping you in advance. as he'll try to turn it on you. Warn them that he does this. Give them examples including the dangerous driving. They will help protect you and dc for him.

billy1966 · 31/01/2021 01:51

Horrible nasty man.

Do not give him or how he will cope a second thought.

He doesn't care about you and clearly is not involved with your child.

Pack your bags and leave.
Don't engage.
Ring the police if you need help.

Get out.
Your both deserve better than this nasty man.

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