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Do I leave, and if so, how? Emotional abuse

78 replies

Songbird13 · 30/01/2021 10:22

I have posted previously under a different username last year but situation has changed, or rather I've had my eyes opened more now. Previously I was asking whether behaviour of DH was abusive. Now I know it is (I think, I still have moments of doubt creep in) and am after advice on how to leave.

Some examples of recent behaviour.

  • I gave DS (age 1) a crisp/puff thing in the car as he was getting hangry when we were heading out somewhere. DS snatched the tub off me and they went everywhere. I said to DH that I'd better hoover the car when we got back. He sighed and didn't answer me, then when we got home and he saw the crisps everywhere he slammed the car door while holding DS and stormed off huffing and wouldn't speak to me. I said I would go and hoover it but he said I shouldn't have given him all of those crisps, I explained that I had only passed him one but that he snatched the tub off me. He said "well as long as that really is what happened".
  • I do all the shopping as DH is incapable. He will have to ring me or send me endless photo messages from shop etc. Anyway last week I was very poorly and had to wait in for a parcel and asked him to pick up some specific sanitary towels from shop. He came back with some tena lady nappy type things. I said to him nicely that they weren't what I was after and he slammed them on the floor and stormed off huffing and would only speak to me in a barely audible voice for ages.
  • Last week I was cleaning high chair and DH said he would do it. I said it's okay I've almost finished, and he said it again louder. I laughed and said don't shout and he became very upset and said he has asked me multiple times not to accuse him of shouting and he found it very upsetting that I would do that as he's not a wife beater. I said I was only joking and he said I shouldn't say it even as a joke.
  • A few days ago I went shopping and when I got back DS wanted a feed (breastfed) so I left DH to unpack. The next day I noticed he had put something meant to go in the fridge in a cupboard and it had gone off, I made a joke about it and he stormed off saying he can't do anything right anymore and sighing, huffing etc. Then we got in the car and he was driving really erratically and yanking the steering wheel suddenly etc and then said he was stressed and felt like punching someone in the face. He parked in a car park far away from where I needed to be and I politely said that I was not sure how it would work as I was going to put DS in trolley at shop and therefore wouldnt be able to take pushchair as well. That annoyed him and he again drove off in a huff. When we pulled up he started saying I am making him feel lonely and like he is an inconvenience.

There's a lot more but I won't lost every single incident.

I am right aren't I, this isn't on? I've been with this man for half of my life and I have very low self esteem and think I have had my head buried in the sand a bit, but want what's best for DS. I think what woke me up a bit was when DS was rummaging around in the fridge and some cream spilled, my first thought was that DH was going to be annoyed and my heart started racing and I rushed to get something to clean it up before he saw.

What is keeping me here is that we have just signed another six months on our tenancy, and also I can't bear the thought of having split custody of DS and being away from him. I know DH loves DS but he just does the easy bits of parenting, the playing and making DS laugh etc. He spends most of his days on his phone and vaping. I am just not sure how to actually leave, do I tell him or do I just go one day? He is furloughed and has been since the start of this lockdown so obviously it's hard to speak to anyone right now as he's always home. He always tags along for the pushchair walks etc so can't get any time to call anyone. I have started doing a housing application in my sole name without him knowing but obviously it's complicated because I'm liable for half of the rent and bills here.

He's also nice/normal to me 80-90% of the time, and is very convincing to outsiders. I don't think a lot of people would believe how he really is and they say how nice he is, how lucky I am. When I have said to him in the past I feel like I'm treading on eggshells, he says that's how I make him feel, and it makes me doubt myself, maybe I'm the bad one but I don't know why. He is very good at making me feel sorry for him and I worry if I leave he would become suicidal. He always calls me out on my facial expressions or my tone of voice or thinks I'm annoyed when I'm not. He has never been physically violent to me, although when we first met he threatened to slap me and I sometimes wish I'd left then.

Sorry it's long and jumbled, am trying to type rapidly on phone while DS naps. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2021 10:57

Now he has reverted to type i.e. abusive and is now showing you emotionally abusive behaviour i.e. sulking. This is who he is and such a man does not change.

Do not waste the second half of your life on this man. He will also drag your child down with him.

Your own health is being wreaked and he will take an awful long time for you to recover from his abuse (perhaps even years now). That recovery has not even been set in motion yet mainly because you are still there. How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?.

Songbird13 · 07/02/2021 11:23

I've packed DS and I both a bag to go temporarily to my mum's, but if I leave then surely DH will ring Police as I'll have taken his child. I am in such a state.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2021 11:28

Go to your mother's with your son. It is ok to leave in such circumstances because you are fleeing abuse. Do not worry unduly about something that has not happened yet re your H potentially phoning the police.

Songbird13 · 07/02/2021 11:30

Thank you. Ironically my job (before I left to become a Sahm) was working in family law and often with victims of domestic abuse. I just can't stop shaking and feel so sick.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2021 11:42

Breathe deeply and head to your mother's.

weleasewoderick23 · 07/02/2021 12:01

Good luck OP. In time you'll see that his behaviour is abusive and you'll get your confidence back Thanks

Songbird13 · 07/02/2021 12:06

Thank you, I keep doubting myself and thinking is he so bad? Then I look back through my messages that I sent to my mum yesterday and try and read them as if a friend had sent them to me and I realise that he is bad. The constant moodiness, swearing and me being critiqued on things I do, treading on eggshells and then having to be over the top positive to try and counteract and placate him. I am drained, but I just know people experience much worse and can't help thinking am I doing the right thing, and I know I probably sound like a fool.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2021 12:08

You do not sound like a fool whatsoever. You are a victim of abuse and your words are those that an abused person would write.

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 07/02/2021 12:23

You are not a fool OP, you are seeing him for what he is. You are brave and strong and a fantastic mother to your DS. Go to your mum, don't worry about what he may or may not do. If he loses his shit, he's just further proving what an abusive partner he is. Now you've recognised his abusive behaviour, you'll see it all the time and you can't live like that.

billy1966 · 07/02/2021 12:27

You are a victim of domestic abuse.

Go to your mother.

Please contact Women's Aid tomorrow from your mothers.

Just get out of there.

Take any important papers, passport etc.

Just get away from him.Flowers

Positivelysober · 07/02/2021 13:47

You sound exactly like me - it's upsetting reading what you've written as it's the same as I feel. And what's happening. I am trying to get out too. I've been with him for 10 years and am the wrong side of 40 - you're young, be strong go to your mums. I went on the national domestic helpline page and sent a message for a call back for when I knew he wouldn't be here - wich was the 1st time in about 3 months - he doesn't work so is home all the time. Also another site ( I can't remember the name I'm sorry) when I was looking for advice the live chat activated and someone started talking to me and offered loads of advice. Maybe you can look online and find one that does live chat - he won't know your doing it but just remember to clear you history on your phone. Don't spend the next ten years trying to make everything ok. It's not. Don't be sat here like me feeling beyond exhausted, weak, guilty and a total failure for not getting out.
I wish you lots of luck . Sending hugs too.

Songbird13 · 07/02/2021 18:40

@Positivelysober

You sound exactly like me - it's upsetting reading what you've written as it's the same as I feel. And what's happening. I am trying to get out too. I've been with him for 10 years and am the wrong side of 40 - you're young, be strong go to your mums. I went on the national domestic helpline page and sent a message for a call back for when I knew he wouldn't be here - wich was the 1st time in about 3 months - he doesn't work so is home all the time. Also another site ( I can't remember the name I'm sorry) when I was looking for advice the live chat activated and someone started talking to me and offered loads of advice. Maybe you can look online and find one that does live chat - he won't know your doing it but just remember to clear you history on your phone. Don't spend the next ten years trying to make everything ok. It's not. Don't be sat here like me feeling beyond exhausted, weak, guilty and a total failure for not getting out. I wish you lots of luck . Sending hugs too.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, and I'm sorry to hear you're in a similar position too. I hope you find the strength to get out.

I did try speaking to someone on live chat on the Women's Aid website but it said there was no one available, so I sent an email to Refuge for someone to advise me. I literally had their number typed into my phone and was about to press dial earlier when DH pulled up in the driveway. I ended up meeting a friend for a walk and a chat. He didn't speak to me for a few hours, walked around kicking things, sighing and huffing etc then just started talking to me randomly completely normally as if nothing had happened. Then he switched again and would only mutter to me in one word sentences. Feeling very drained tonight. I will try and leave this week, he is going to be working from home so at least I will have a bit more freedom as he has been furloughed up until now, tagging along every time I would leave the house.

OP posts:
Arrivederla · 07/02/2021 19:01

Try and get away this week if you can op. Thinking of you. Flowers

Positivelysober · 07/02/2021 20:50

Thank you - I'm trying to sort things out.
Sorry you didn't get to speak to anyone.
Really good luck to youFlowers

Songbird13 · 08/02/2021 06:48

The more I think about it, I think it would be more practical if he left, rather than DS and I. All of DS' things are here - bedding, food, clothes, high chair, stair gates, blackout blind, white noise machine, toys etc. Going to my mum's isn't practical as she lives in a tiny second floor flat with no spare bedrooms (I'm sure she'd give up hers but she smokes in there and I'd rather DS didn't stay in there), an open plan kitchen and living room with huge windows without blinds. My dad is an alcoholic and lives in a small one bedroom house which is currently being sold. I only really have two close friends, both of whom have said they'd love to have me but they have no space, which is true. So I'm trying to think of the practical side but also know it might be more difficult asking DH to leave.

I just keep thinking I want him out of our lives. His silent treatment yesterday extended to DS, just moping around staring at DS but not speaking to or engaging with him, and I just don't want that for him, he will no doubt have picked up on the atmosphere by now.

On top of that he's just so bloody selfish. I was ill the other day (have recurring ear problems which make me sick and dizzy, awaiting surgery) and when he finally woke up I said to him I was poorly, he just made himself a coffee and went for a vape and then started saying I need to rest more? He doesn't thank me for any meals even though I do all of the cooking, just sits down and starts eating and when he's done he just disappears from the table to go and vape leaving me to try and simultaneously eat and feed /sort DS. Then yesterday I washed a favourite top of his that he hasn't been able to wear for years because of a mark on it. I said I'd managed to get it out and he took it off me, held it up to the light to inspect it and then said "can still see a bit of it though" and walked off with it. Don't know why I bother. Enough is enough.

OP posts:
SavannahMiasMum · 08/02/2021 07:05

You seem to be making yourself excuses and not leaving. You need to take the step and stop talking about it and face up to it and leave.
Don’t keep looking for excuses not to leave like saying mums place to small etc. Once gone you can sort those things it’s just going that’s important.

SavannahMiasMum · 08/02/2021 07:07

Make sure you take passports birth certificates etc and those things that are very important

Coronawireless · 08/02/2021 09:25

Just because you don’t like him and don’t get on doesn’t mean he’s abusive.

Songbird13 · 08/02/2021 09:46

@Coronawireless

Just because you don’t like him and don’t get on doesn’t mean he’s abusive.
Okiedoke
OP posts:
Itstimetoquit · 08/02/2021 09:48

How's things op x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/02/2021 09:58

"The more I think about it, I think it would be more practical if he left, rather than DS and I".

He will in all likelihood refuse to leave and besides which he is not going to let go of you that easily as he likes having you around to abuse (as well as you doing all the housework and childcare).

Doing nothing and staying there with him therefore is not an option.

StillGoingToWork · 08/02/2021 10:05

@Coronawireless Are you here to help OP or not? If not, please stop posting.

Coronawireless · 08/02/2021 10:14

Maybe I am helping OP by making her see what I can see from her posts. The relationship must be dead if she wants him to leave. Lots of people’s relationships end and there is inevitably difficulty deciding what to do next, especially if there is a child involved. But that does not make him abusive - and if he us not, she does her child no favours by saying otherwise!

Coronawireless · 08/02/2021 10:15

It’s a different matter if she asks for practical help in ending a relationship.

Triffid1 · 08/02/2021 10:47

@Coronawireless

Maybe I am helping OP by making her see what I can see from her posts. The relationship must be dead if she wants him to leave. Lots of people’s relationships end and there is inevitably difficulty deciding what to do next, especially if there is a child involved. But that does not make him abusive - and if he us not, she does her child no favours by saying otherwise!
Well, the fact that she is terrified and knows she can't ask him to leave, which without a doubt would be the best solution for their DS, is a clear sign that this man is not a nice man. That there is far more here than just a relationship breakdown.
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