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Sexual, flirtatious messages found on DH phone

138 replies

wellingtonsandwaffles · 28/01/2021 04:54

I always scroll these pages but barely post, so thank you in advance. I’m trying to work out how much of an issue this is - I’ve not slept a wink. I was shaking, felt sick, and now I’m just empty.

Context:
My DH and I haven’t been perfect - well ever - but we try and we love and we tend to communicate well. I have a very low sex drive but we do love each other despite arguments. We have a DS3 together.

Issue:
Suspected for a while, but took the plunge into his phone this evening. Got through a WhatsApp Lock Screen (noticed that recently) to find hundreds and hundreds of messages with a girl we know, who he used to work with in a neighbouring town. I’ve downloaded them all and taken screen shots, they start overly friendly then get flirty and end up sexual - not so much sexting but way overstepping the mark - he’s encouraging her to buy sex toys and guiding her on how to use and what it should feel like. This is interspersed with loads of Friendly chatty messages, and a few suggesting they’ve met up when I haven’t known. For example he told me he was out all day for an MOT in the town and just walked around cold all day waiting for the car to be done but seems as though they met up then. I made a point of saying he should have made plans to see someone and he deliberately went out of my way to say he didn’t. Several other attempts to meet up. I genuinely don’t think they’ve had sex or probably even kissed but it’s so flirty, so beyond the realms of acceptable exchanges and leaves me feeling empty and betrayed.

I’ve changed his phone password and left them a message on WhatsApp “good morning, congratulations on ruining a marriage etc”.

How big a deal is this? Where do we go from here? I feel so empty. I don’t know how to face him tomorrow.

OP posts:
wellingtonsandwaffles · 28/01/2021 07:18

I managed to sleep for an hour in the spare in the end and I’m up now feeling sick. Cuddling DS. Thank you for your kind words everyone. DH is still asleep upstairs. I guess emotional affair does sound about right. She’s almost 10 years younger than me too. But I just don’t think they’ve had sex, it does sound very much like him pushing the content on her though / him driving the messages.

OP posts:
SueEllenMishke · 28/01/2021 07:18

Please don't think you have to hide this from friends and family. You don't need to protect his reputation.

I did this when I found out my ex had cheated on me and it backfired spectacularly. I wish I'd just told them all the truth from the start.

Stay strong

glitterfarts · 28/01/2021 07:27

I've had very good male friends for years and wouldn't expect messages from them instructing me to buy sex toys and how to use them. That is talk from a sexual partner.
Even if you can convince yourself they haven't had sex Confused you won't trust him and so the marriage is done.

You need support so don't hide what he's done and protect him. He can live with the consequences of his choices.

Nicolastuffedone · 28/01/2021 07:34

I can’t believe that anyone who has indulged in this explicit sexual chat and saying ‘I love you’ hasn’t had sex........

UniversalAunt · 28/01/2021 07:38

Had sex? - as good as, if not for sure.

Huge betrayal of your trust in any case, irrespective of anything sexual anywhere. So, yes this whole matter is an issue for you.

Brew & hug.

Heartbeats0708 · 28/01/2021 07:38

Glad you got a little sleep. I agree that the lies, especially going out of his way to say he didn't meet anyone on MOT day, would be very difficult to get past. As you said, you wouldn't think twice about things like that with someone you trust.
I split from my DH two years ago but we had a strange limbo time where I didn't even trust him when we were in the same room. It's an awful feeling.
Also agree re not protecting him, I did this to save him and my own humiliation. Although it didn't backfire as such, with hindsight I wish I hadn't bothered. It all comes out in the end.

Mrsmummy90 · 28/01/2021 07:41

@MrsBrunch

Get ready for the blaming and minimising.
This.

He's going to give you a bullshit story and try to turn it on you. Please don't let him. Stay strong.

He's an absolute prick and I'm sorry he's done this to you xx

UniversalAunt · 28/01/2021 07:42

At this moment, keep your powder dry.

If you do declare that you have suspicions or know for sure , please do not let on that you have downloaded any messages or made copies of anything.

  • just remembered that your WhatsApp msg.

It’s going to be an interesting morning...

wellingtonsandwaffles · 28/01/2021 07:53

He’s just come in all “it’s not what you think we need to talk” - I can’t face him right now.

OP posts:
Heartbeats0708 · 28/01/2021 07:55

I bet he has, his fantasy world has just come crashing down and reality will be hitting at what he's done. Fool. Ask for some space if you need it OP, is DS in any childcare?

wifterwafter · 28/01/2021 07:57

Let him have his say and then go away and digest it. Don't make any rash decisions.

Deathgrip · 28/01/2021 07:58

It’s what you think? I would tell him to stop treating you like an idiot. I hope you stand firm and remember what you’ve read. Hugs to you.

LittleBoPeep95 · 28/01/2021 08:04

So sorry OP. You deserve much better!

Frownette · 28/01/2021 08:07

Talk to people now, because if you give him time he'll find a way to rationalise it in his mind.

Take care though must have been nasty to read, hope you can stay strong and defend your corner without him gaslighting.

Morgan12 · 28/01/2021 08:08

It's exactly what you think.

He will say anything now. Don't fall for it. You can do this!

joynoelle · 28/01/2021 08:08

Definitely at the least an emotional affair ThanksI'm so sorry . He will try and minimise it but don't let him. Take some time and have a think about what you want.

MrsFluffyMuff · 28/01/2021 08:10

Don't let him try and weasel his way out of this. If it were up to you he'd still be messaging her and you'd be no wiser. Of course it's what you think it is!

ExplodingCarrots · 28/01/2021 08:12

He's going to minimise and turn it on you. Don't let him op. You deserve so much better. He's broken your trust, can you really go on forever thinking what if he's doing it again. The messages were clear as day. Even if they havnt done anything physical (I bet they have), if the opportunity arose he would have been there like a shot.
Get ready for the 'I was feeling neglected, she was there for me spiel'

Be strong op. Thanks

harknesswitch · 28/01/2021 08:16

I could have written your post about 10 years ago op. It ended our marriage. I too didn't think he'd slept with her and only confessed to a quick kiss whilst meeting for coffee. But I found out down the line it had been physical.

I'm so sorry you've been through this and I believe emotional affairs can be damaging as physical, it was more about the deceit and disrespect for me. He begged, cried and pleaded so I gave another chance, I wish I'd not bothered. A waste of time and I could never truly forgive him

SameToo · 28/01/2021 08:20

I’m sure that somehow, it’ll turn out it’s your fault. The bastard.

BlueSkyAhead · 28/01/2021 08:26

I’m sorry OP 💚

TheStirrer · 28/01/2021 08:29

Sending you a massive hug. It’s shit - don’t let him put all the blame on you; it’s not you
Sending inappropriate messages. What would he think if saw you sent those messages? Flowers

2021hastobebetter · 28/01/2021 08:32

It’s not what you think......

No sending messages of Vulvas and instructing someone of how to use a sex toy and telling them you love them. Lying to your wife and claiming to have had a shot day walking around in the cold for an not but meeting up with said woman - that’s what normal husbands do is it!!!!!! ? And those are just the facts.

I don’t care if he is a teacher, GP, MP - tell your parents abs do not minimise it. Deal with facts.

Given the facts I would be 100% certain he is lying cheating misogynist idiot. Whether or not he has had full with her is a theory but seriously he’s telling a woman how certain sex toys should feel (!) yuk. Was he thinking about his son? His wife? His marriage? And this is all on him not you.

TheVanguardSix · 28/01/2021 08:38

He’s just come in all “it’s not what you think we need to talk” - I can’t face him right now.

Oh boy. Here we go. Put your seatbelt on, OP, keep caffeinated and the windows rolled down. It'll be a tough drive, but you can do this! Congratulations in advance! Your life without this turd and extremely poor excuse of a father and husband will absolutely feel much freer (once you get through the pain of what he's done and reflected on your life together, I promise, you'll wonder why you stuck with it).

As for the OW, she's been charmed by dildo talk and vulva pics. Gross. Her bar is set low. I'm sorry that's who you're married to... so very sorry. But this is who he is and really, who wants to waste time on that? Flowers

Huglikeabear · 28/01/2021 08:50

You might want to Google and read the script for cheaters before you talk to him. They all say the same things, thoughhe might have a hard time blaming this one on a friend who hacked him...