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BRAVE BABES - the bus keeps trundling on...

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venusandmars · 10/01/2021 10:48

We filled up the last thread, but never fear, we're always here!

Whatever your issue with drinking, whether you just want some encouragement with dry January or whether you've reached your rock bottom and need to quit. Everyone is welcome. You'll find support, encouragement, help. You'll find lots of understanding folks, who won't minimise your problem but who will never judge you. Never judging, never minimising our problems.

If you want to catch up, our last thread is HERE

And if you want to follow everything from the start, the very first thread from almost 11 years ago is RIGHT HERE

You can join in anytime. Everyone is welcome. Whether you are trying to cut down, abstain completely , or are simply acknowledging that you might have a problem... Post what you want.

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Hedjwitch · 04/02/2023 22:34

Stay strong fequent traveller

frequenttraveller1 · 05/02/2023 08:56

@Hedjwitch thank you. I did it. I know it's only 1 day but it's a start. I'm still a bit shaky but feel so much better than yesterday.

venusandmars · 05/02/2023 10:01

Well done freqenttraveller take it slowly, one day at a time. Treat your body well today - nourishing food, plenty of liquid.

Are there particular times of days, things you do that are a trigger for you? Can you plan something alternative for that time? If you have to go out to a shop to buy booze, can you put your PJs on, and a face mask, anything to stop you going out.

Or come back here and write about how you're feeling. I'll try to be around later today to respond. Come here and cry for help, if you need to. We understand.

Lovely to see SAF again and to read about your journey - life with all its twists and turns!

And hedj what a great achievement in January!

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frequenttraveller1 · 05/02/2023 11:41

@venusandmars thank you.
I was supposed to go out last night but declined as I knew it would lead to too much booze.
How does everyone cope with socialising when you can't drink?

I don't mind saying I'm not drinking and what everyone else thinks. I just don't have it in me to say no. I then one leads to another and another.....

venusandmars · 05/02/2023 16:16

frequenttraveller

Oh yes, I get you on the one things leads to another (and on and on ad infinitum).

I sometimes bounce on and off the wagon (and this bus). It's been a long time now so I have some tried and tested strategies that work for me - we each have to find our own ways, but using other people's examples can be a great way to start.

If I've newly climbed back on board, I often find it easiest to avoid drinking situations until I've 'settled' and feel a wee bit more confidant about my resolve. Day 1 is probably not the time for that Smile There have been many day1's for many people, all undone by being unprepared for a social situation.

The easiest way out for me is to offer to drive. I live in Scotland where we have lower driving alcohol limits so it is very widely expected that the driver will have no alcohol. I feel good about running other people home too, and accept their gratidute in exchange for meeting up for coffee.

In the early days (and only you can decide whether that is one week, 4 weeks, 3 months or whatever), I avoid totally anything that is a real drinking session. A group of friends meeting up with the sole objective of getting pissed - I 'get' a sudden violent stomach upset and call off. A drunken hen weekend in Ibiza - I can't afford it, or I can't get time off work. I have to admit I'm 60 and I've never been invited to a drunken hen weekend in Ibiza

But we have to socialise, we have to be able to be in the company of others, we have to learn to enjoy ourselves without alcohol.

For me, it starts with 2 things: resolve and planning.

Resolve first: So, for example, you've been invited to a friend's birthday on Friday - that would be (perhaps?) day 7 for you - a whole week without drinking! Amazing, what an achievement. So why would you let that be derailed? You are there to celebrate her birthday - yes, that's by turning up, hugging her enthusiastically, maybe buying her a really thoughful gift. All of those things will be remembered and enjoyed.

Will you actually enjoy a glass of sour, fizzy, over-priced prosecco? Really the sickly, sweet, taste of it? Would a soda water and lime be as good? Would you enjoy the end of the evening where you'd forgotten what you were here for and ended up blubbing about your own broken heart (Oh yes, I've been there!)

Would your friend appreciate that you'd made the effort to be there, and to be happy and delighted to celebrate - yes of course! Would she appreciate that the end of her party night was spent cleaning up vomit? (Oh yes, I've been there too Blush )

Of course neither of these might be you, but they have been me. And knowing that, and acknowledging that gives me the resolve I need, and the determination that this time will be different. That's where the planning comes in.

Planning: I'm determined to stay sober but as I anticipate the event what are the decision points. Maybe others are having a pre-loading session - "Sorry I have to put the kids to bed / finish an assignment / get back from visiting MIL... I'll see you there"

Make sure you arrive really well hydrated, there is nothing like dehydration to make you grab the first (alcoholic) drink and down it in one. So plan meticulously on drinking tea, herbal teas, water, juice, throughout the day. As much as you can.

KNOW what you are going to ask for for your first non-alcoholic drink, and what you're going to say around that. So when the mythical birthday girl welcomes you waving a bottle of something, you greet her enthusiastically and say "Oh Fab, but I've come on the bus/tube/walked and I'm freezing - I'll just grab a coffee first" OR "That looks wonderful, save some for me, I've been out all day and I need a big glass of lemonade first".

You'll will know the kind of things that sound natural for you.

Repeat, repeat, repeat. Every time you succeed give your self a little pat on the back. Or log in to mumsnet and tell us! We will cheer for you.

After a couple of drinks no-one will notice or care what you are drinking, and you might start to notice that others are getting a bit loud or repetative. You migth find it mildly amusing, you might even find you are glad not to be part of that particular mood.

Alternatively at a dinner, I set myself a target - I will not have a glass of wine until I have had at least 10 glasses of water. I pretty much find that after that quantity of water drinking anything else has become quite unappealing.

And for me the final part of the planning is how to leave. "Sorry. I've got a terrible headache, it's been a great night, call you tomorrow" OR "George just called and the baby is sick, I'm going home to help, enjoy the rest of your evening". Or just slip away. If it's a real big event most people won't notice. Text host and say "great night, thanks xx" At the point at which you're leaving it's not about you, so don't stress about it.

But do know (for yourself) when you plan to leave - after the present giving, after you been on the dance floor once, at a particular time. And stick to it.

And plan a reward for when you get home. A hot milky drink and a hot water bottle, a cup of tea and a chat with your partner, a hug with your kids or your dog, 5 minutes spent looking out at the lights of the town, or the stars in the sky and being in awe of it and your place in it.

And the next morning - Wow! You did it. You got through it. Did you enjoy it? maybe or maybe not: would you have enjoyed it if you'd been drinking? maybe or maybe not. But you're not puking or sick or shaky.

Apologies for the epistle! And I've sent to a PM

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frequenttraveller1 · 05/02/2023 21:48

Day 2 almost over. Drinking a cup of tea before bed. Have not had any alcohol

Emnet23 · 05/02/2023 23:54

Waytogo @frequenttraveller1 that is brilliant. Make sure you savour every sweet moment of tomorrow morning. Be it sunny or grey, it will be magic because you won't have a hangover, but more importantly because you have proved you are strong and given yourself that gift! Rooting for you xx

Hedjwitch · 06/02/2023 10:52

Excellent going @frequenttraveller1 . It really is. And top advice from the very wise VenusandMars.
You should be proud of yourself!

swallowedAfly · 22/02/2023 08:51

Great advice from Venus It is a tricky area particularly if you realise that you actually 'use' alcohol in social situations because they make you anxious and uncomfortable till you get a few drinks inside you. In my long spell of sobriety that made me rethink why I was putting myself in situations that made me anxious and uncomfortable whilst also realising that at least a good chunk of my anxiety and discomfort was caused by alcohol's effects on my mental health and my obsession about when I could get my next drink etc.

Some things were unavoidable like family occasions when I'd already been virtually ghosting people and needed to make an effort and spend time with them. They got easier and easier as I began to enjoy sobriety and re-find/find my personality or... ways of having fun as someone without alcohol and I really enjoyed having my wits about me and not getting involved in drama or being provoked by family dynamics etc.

In the end though a big part of why I started drinking again was feeling quite miserable about my life being so work, eat, take care of child/house/pets sleep. I felt I was missing out on a 'release' and 'relax' short cut. I needed release and relax because life was stressful at the time (pita partner, very stressful work situations, lots of financial stress etc) but didn't have time or space enough for self care and missed that short cut of being able to have that mythical couple of drinks. In the long term the answer was probably to get rid of the pita partner, change jobs, address other reasons I was stressed and unhappy in my life but the reality was I was stuck in all of it at the time. Tricky. Not sure what my answer to that would be now but at that time drinking was the lesser evil for me because my mental health was going down the pan.

If anyone's serious about going permanently AF it's quite the journey and definitely finding social activities and friends etc that don't revolve around alcohol is part of that but also addressing longer term life issues to be resolve. Life is hard particularly with work and kids and money and blah blah blah. Having something other than alcohol to regularly look forward to would help - some people get into fitness or a sport or something. Sadly not me lol.

MintToBee · 24/06/2023 06:04

Hi guys to all that who remember me and the elopement especially @venusandmars and @dementedma
Mr Mint had a haemorrhagic stroke on 25th May . He's in hospital and will be for the foreseeable with left side paralysis of the body.
It's all a bit shit really.

Craftycorvid · 24/06/2023 08:16

Hello @MintToBee I’m so sorry for your troubles. I hope you have support around you. 💐

dementedma · 24/06/2023 08:23

Hey mint so sorry to hear this. Thats awful. Hope Mr Mint can recover as much as possible. DM me if you want to chat.
Am on here as Hedjwitch these days

startingover202 · 04/07/2023 22:34

Hi everyone.
I posted as frequent traveller.
Unfortunately 2 days was all I managed and then hit the bottle again big time.
I've ended up so unwell with stomach problems and lost so much weight.
I was getting the shakes and anxiety everyday until and couldn't wait to get home for a drink to feel better.
After an awful Friday and Saturday night I am determined to stop.
The withdrawal was pretty bad but I'm now on day 3 and feeling better.

@MintToBee so sorry for what you're going through.

Craftycorvid · 09/07/2023 09:35

Hi all! Hope Mr Mint is doing well. Sorry to learn of your struggles @startingover202 - have you someone to support you? But day 3 is great 💪🏻

Mr Corvid has been in the wars - heart attack last Sunday after doing too much in the garden (like I told him not to). Now home from hospital and recovering but it’s a slow job.

daisychainsaw7 · 07/01/2024 17:01

Hello..is this long running thread a zombie now?

I posted on it years back under a different name, it was a great source of support to many people and had a lot of regular posters.

Craftycorvid · 07/01/2024 20:14

Hallo! It has been incredibly quiet on the bus of late. If we hang around a bit, perhaps someone else will hop on?

Hedjwitch · 07/01/2024 20:37

I was just thinking about the bus while on the Dry January thread. Any more lurkers around?

venusandmars · 07/01/2024 20:44

I'm still here..

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Whymrsrobinson · 07/01/2024 20:46

Can I stop lurking and hop on? I’m trying unsuccessfully to do defy Jan and am slowly realising I may have a problem. Ok, do have a problem.
partly caused by stress, DD gone no contact. DH had an aneurysm so heammorhage in his brain a few years ago so I know something of what you are going through.mintobee I hope you are all recovering, it’s a long process.

SamW98 · 07/01/2024 20:52

I’m now in day 7 of dry January and all good so far.

I'm not a big drinker as in I very rarely get drunk, just occasionally merry but I know when to stop - I hate hangovers so I am conscious of my limits.

But I’ve realised I’m a habit drinker. I’m sitting indoors watching tv at night and I pour a glass of wine. I don’t even want one half the time but it just feels like my routine. Then I have a glass a night the next two nights because the bottles open.

Im drinking big glasses of sparkling water instead and so far so good

Hedjwitch · 07/01/2024 20:58

How lovely to see folks climbing aboard. We old lags ..looking at you Venus...should really have tidied the place up a bit.
whips off all the dust sheets and stuffs them under the seats

IvorTheEngineDriver · 08/01/2024 00:53

I was a lurker under another name a while back. Didn't really seem like Christmas without Ma and her triangle.

Hedjwitch · 08/01/2024 11:54

I'm here I'm here! Ting
Just under a new name.
Day 8 of DJ and starting to feel better for it

ffsonly46 · 08/01/2024 12:04

I'd like to join if ok.
I know I have a bad relationship with alcohol and need to reset, every year in January I pledge to complete Dry, never manage the whole month and by April I'm back where I started 😒
Hoping this might help x

daisychainsaw7 · 08/01/2024 16:45

Hello folks! Nice to see the thread resurrected!

I was Davethecat before, and always found the thread really supportive and very funny at times!

I wonder if some of the old timers are still lurking about? Ma, Lux, Elba, Mouse..

Hope everyone is coping ok with another new year. I managed 4 months dry last year, been doing dry Jan for years now and just decided to keep on with it. I felt so much better and feel like it definitely re-set my relationship with booze.

I did drink too much during the latter part of the year though, so back on the bus and going to see if I can do at least 3 months dry again this year.

Been ill for most of the festive season so it hasn't been too challenging yet, but once the spring starts to kick in I crave wine in the garden!