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When someone who has ghosted you makes contact after a long time

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Ghostedxoxo · 31/12/2020 06:54

Had a thirty year friendship which ended four years ago when my friend appeared to not want me in her life anymore. Texts went unanswered. When I tried to call, she was unavailable to meet up. I found it spectacularly painful as I assumed that I must have done something to offend, but had no idea what it could be. There had been no argument, nothing I could think of that would make her not want to be in touch. We didn't rely on each other for emotional support in any way, so it seemed unlikely that I had been too demanding in some way. I must have spent hours pouring over text messages, wondering what I could possibly have done that would end such a long friendship without explanation. I actually felt depressed for a time as the not knowing was awful.

She did send a text about 3 and a half years ago, apologising that she hadn't been a good friend and that things have been difficult. I did reply to the text, but heard nothing more. I also tried to phone her to see if she was ok. Although she spoke about meeting up, she ultimately backed out of actually doing it and resumed ghosting me. The birthday present I sent was also ignored. I had no choice but to draw a line under the friendship, however painful.

Last year, I got a Christmas card from her saying it would be nice to meet up. I didn't respond as she had paid lip service to meeting up before and it turned out that she really didn't want to. I had found it humiliating to keep trying and being rebuffed.

This year, I have now received another Christmas card with a short note telling me that a dear friend had died and her mother had lost her battle to Alzheimer's. She had split up with her husband and she gave me her new address, saying that she hoped I hadn't been offended by her absence.

I now feel that I don't know whether I can face trying to rebuild the friendship again. It sounds like she has had a tough time recently, so it seems mean to ignore her card/note. However, I found the no contact with no explanation for the past four years heart breaking.

Has anyone else had this scenario and what did you end up doing?

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PatchworkElmer · 31/12/2020 08:46

Similar happened to me. I don’t think I could ‘go there’ again personally- I was very hurt and a lot has happened in my life since they ditched me. In this situation I’d feel like they were only getting in touch because they wanted something from me, and I’d struggle to trust them. Only you know how you feel though?

custardbear · 31/12/2020 08:53

I'd put out an olive branch, perhaps tell her how sorry you are and she's been dealing with a lot. Maybe give her the chance to set up a date and go along - if she turns up then take it from there

A friend of 20 years ghosted me, I'd give her a chance if she went through all that. My suspicion is that my friends husband doesn't like me, could that be the case for you? Whilst I'm really pissed off with my ex-friend, and she also made me feel really left out, made me feel like everyone 'knew' something that I didn't (ie that she didn't like me anymore), wendied me and my husband with our friends too .... actually, perhaps I wouldn't give my friend a chance after rereading this lol 😆

baileys6904 · 31/12/2020 08:54

I think some people aren't understanding how absolutely draining caring for someone with alzheimers can be, both physically, emotionally and mentally.
Dementia doesn't kill someone. It gets to the point they forget how to talk, eat and swallow. Alzheimers is particularly hard as the persons moods can be affected--they can say some awful things and forget about it in 2 minutes. They can physically attack their loved one and not have a clue within seconds. I've known a man with alzheimers try and smother his wife while she slept. Dementia is such a dirty word and many are embaressed about how their loved one is behaving. She may well have been through hell and back, and that's not including her marriage failing.
Do you miss her friendship? If so, take baby steps and rebuild the trust perhaps but I can easily understand why she went quiet during that time of her life.

Ghostedxoxo · 31/12/2020 08:54

Thank you all for all your responses. @MichelleScarn I don't think that my friend was in an abusive relationship. I generally think that I am a fairly good judge of character and I have known my friend's partner for about 25 years. I feel that he is a nice man and have never got the slightest impression of him having another side to him. We did know him well and have been on holiday with them both as a couple. I do think that he wasn't her soul mate though and that she found him a bit irritating. The last time I saw my friend four years ago, both myself and my husband got the feeling she was probably having an affair.

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GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 31/12/2020 08:56

I'd give it one last try, in case she had MH issues, but with the expectation of being disappointed, in case she's just an arse.

A friend dropped me when she left her husband. Zero contact for a couple of years. She got back in touch, all very pally again, saying that during the split she just couldn't bear to be in contact with anyone in contact with her now XH. Fair enough, tried again. And after a year or so she disappeared again. The last time I saw her she was promising us a dinner invite. That was two or three years ago and I just can't be arsed any more.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 31/12/2020 08:59

The last time I saw my friend four years ago, both myself and my husband got the feeling she was probably having an affair.

So not so much ‘coping with the heartbreaking breakdown of her marriage’ and more like ‘way too busy with extra curricular activities, no time left for anyone else’?

Reply but keep it formal and neutral.

Ghostedxoxo · 31/12/2020 09:01

@baileys6904 Yes, I do believe my friend has had a tough time losing her mum, which must have been devastating. She had been in a home for a few years as she wasn't able to live alone.

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Sunshine1235 · 31/12/2020 09:02

I would just send her a very simple message saying thank you for the Christmas card and your sorry to hear what a difficult time she’s had and that you hope things have improved for her. Or something very simple and friendly like that and then just leave it. If she really wants to chase the friendship then she’ll be in contact again and you can decide then whether to explain how hurt you were. But she’ll probably get the message from a short reply and you won’t have to feel guilty for ignoring

baileys6904 · 31/12/2020 09:05

@ghostedxoxo it's a horrendous illness for those watching the decline, so perhaps worth hearing her out. Although all that's not on you, if she was previously a good friend and one you'd want back in your life, I think just the alzheimers bit is enough to explain the lack of contact, and you may get your much loved friend back.
Do protect your feelings though--like I say, it explains, the behaviour but doesn't minimise the hurt

littleloopylou · 31/12/2020 09:05

While it may not be in your best interests to resume the friendship, I strongly disagree that she is coming to you now when times are hard. It sounds like she has gone through a lot of hard times and now is coming out the other side of it. Some people go inward during bad times.

Isitreally77 · 31/12/2020 09:05

@Ghostedxoxo just because you don't see it doesn't mean he wasn't. To everyone else my ex was this perfect man, everyones friend, looked after the women when out. But he used to hit me, was emotionally abusive and even tried to strangle me. To this day no one knows what he did to me other than me and him. To this day our friends think we had the perfect marriage and because we have remained friends (mainly because he needs help but I can and do walk away if he even starts to raise his voice) think he is perfect and want us to get back together. You sound like you have already decided it was her fault the marriage fell apart without knowing the facts just like some of my friends did. As I say just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Jobsharenightmare · 31/12/2020 09:06

I would send a message acknowledging what she's said and not suggest meeting up at this stage.

I don't think she ghosted you it sounds like she was in a hole and couldn't consistently reply or keep to plans and then contact became annual. To me this isn't anything to do with you but a reflection of just how awful your friend was feeling that she was barely able to post you a Christmas card.

SVRT19674 · 31/12/2020 09:08

My best friend has a best friend also, of 20 or so years who ghosted her. We have never got to the bottom of it. Everyone was gobsmacked. Some people actually asked her what was going on and she gave them some non committal neutral means nothing answer. It was very painful for my friend, who has never learned what she said, did, thought, breathed, there was no argument. My husband and I who had a good relationship with her saw her on the beach, my husband who has always liked her and appreciated her went over to say hi, she didnt even bother to stand up from her towel to speak to him, his face said it all. Some years later she liked one of my facebook photos of my daughters and then nothing. I would never trust her again, be super polite, no particular effort to meet and play it cool or you´re in for a lot of hurt. She means more to you than you do to her.

BarefootInTheMoonlitSnow · 31/12/2020 09:08

a dear friend had died and her mother had lost her battle to Alzheimer's. She had split up with her husband

All of which (unless she’s given exact dates) could have happened simultaneously or as a chain of events over the 4years and been overwhelming during and taken/still taking time to recover from.

We didn't rely on each other for emotional support in any way

And surely this is why she hasn’t been in touch/able to meet. If she had any time/energy at all during what must have been an emotionally rocky time wouldn’t she keep in touch with people who she could rely on emotionally?

So have a think, might she have been ‘shutting down’ and only in touch with a very few (or none at all in the worst of it) friends who could be emotionally supportive and is now reaching out to other friends she valued but was unable to cope with (or them her if the friendship was not one of mutual emotional support) to resume the social friendship?

Or is she a horrible person who, in the midst of coping with her mothers dementia/care/death, the death of her dear friend & the marriage breakdown, she set out to maliciously stop contacting you?

Your dear friend of 30years has had a very difficult time, you admit the friendship wasn’t one relying on each other for emotional support, now she is through the worst (and the time she would have needed to rely on emotional support) she is reaching out to resume ‘social’ friendships like with her dear friend of 30yrs - you.

It’s up to you if you want to behave as that dear friend or not.

madcatladyforever · 31/12/2020 09:09

I won't have anything to do with anyone who ghosts me again. Includes a formerly good friend and my ex husband.
There is simply no excuse for it whatsoever. It takes 5 minutes to say to someone look I can't cope with life right now you may not hear from me for a while.
My "friend" totally ghosted me for 10 whole months when I was going through a hard time, didn't want to be bothered with it probably then popped up months later as if nothing had happened. I realised she wasnt a friend and told her our friendship had ended.
Ghosting is incredibly childish.

lilylongjohn · 31/12/2020 09:12

I had a similar thing happen to me, childhood friend ghosted me. I ended up speaking to her Mum as I was concerned and her Mum told me not to take it personally, she was suffering from MH problems. So I backed off, continued to send birthday and Xmas cards and the occasional message, but fit nothing back for years.

About 6 yrs later she popped up on fb and added me as a friend, would talk to me on the public forum but I didn't bother trying anymore than that. She would then go on and off fb, it was obvious she was still having issues so I stepped away. I feel bad as I know she struggling but she didn't want my help and I had to protect my feelings too.

Chances are your friend will be similar, in that she may come back into your life but may also disappear again. You've worked hard to accept her disappearance, I'd keep that going in your shoes

Lampan · 31/12/2020 09:20

I would also say give her another chance. A close friend recently when silent on me for months when her marriage broke down but once she got back in touch all was fine and she was the same friend I had always known. I understood that she had other shit going on and that I had not been a priority for her for a while and that was OK, even though I had been dealing with a few things of my own.
OP it sounds like your friend has had an awful time. She probably has been dwelling on her own issues which are understandably bad, dementia is one of the worst things to deal with and in addition she is also having to deal with her life going in a different direction to what she had expected with the end of her marriage. And another bereavement on top of this. Obviously don’t send @Wanderlusto’S cruel message. I would maybe arrange a phone call with your friend and take things from there. She obviously feels bad about her silence.

Ghostedxoxo · 31/12/2020 09:26

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 Yes, I did come to the conclusion that she maybe just had filled her time with an relationship with another man, or alternatively she may have used me as an alibi for visiting her other man (without my knowledge) and couldn't risk this being found out.

I could be barking up the wrong tree however. The last time I saw her, she came over to my house. It became apparent that she was pretending that she was working. She had to get out her work laptop midway through the day to respond to work messages as they believed she was working from home/out on community visits. I thought then, that it's weird that she didn't just visit on a weekend as she had always done before.

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PeachesBright · 31/12/2020 09:27

Hi OP.
I am in a similar situation... in reverse.

I was friends with (we'll call her Sue) for 10 years. Almost 4 years ago, Sue was diagnosed with cancer. I was an amazing friend to her.. as well as holding down a very demanding job with anti-social hours, I attended appts with her (changed my shifts at work to facilitate), house-sat when she was admitted to hospital, done grocery shopping for her, spend a considerable amount of my free time with her, at her place either after work or on my days off. When I wasn't physically with her, we would text/speak on the phone. Looking back, I was burning the candles at both ends a bit and putting her before myself, but I wanted to be there for my friend. If I'm honest, the level of emotional support she needed from me was quite exhausting at times, but she is a lovely person and I know she would do the same for me.

However, my circumstances changed.. I had a car accident which made me less confident about driving for a while, so I for a period, I was unable to drive over to Sue's as often as before. I then aggravated an old injury which caused me constant, daily pain. This began to really get me down. I suffer from anxiety and depression which can be quite debilitating at times. I have learnt to put on a mask. Other than going to work and barely functioning, I struggle to read/reply to texts and maintain a regular level of contact with friends. I struggle to read/reply to emails. I lose the ability to focus and concentrate.
I did actually explain this to Sue at the time and apologised for my lack of contact.

A little time passed and my injury improved, as did my mood, but I was having a bit of a mental battle with something that happened in my early 20's that is not common knowledge to my friends. I was referred by my GP for counselling, which I took up. I opened up to my friend about this matter, which was incredibly difficult for me to do. And throughout my counselling, I still saw her, spoke with her and texted her, but not at the same frequency as before. I'll admit that I found if hard to maintain contact with her at this time, but I felt guilty about being a rubbish friend, so really pushed myself.

My mood improved somewhat after counselling and I was in a better place. However, I then met someone.. (we'll call him Tony). Tony was a wonderful man who swept me off my feet... and then the emotional abuse started. I was trapped in an emotionally abusive relationship for 8 months. This is not something I ever imagined would happen to me. I was cut off from friends and family and very isolated. I lived off nervous anxiety the entire time. He destroyed all my self-esteem and self-confidence. I didn't recognise the person I had become. I barely saw/spoke to any family/friends. I finally found the strength to leave and he then tormented me (and still does!) by stalking and harassing me. It was an extremely difficult time in my life. When I was able to, I started getting back in contact with friends and family. Some I was able to confide in about the abusive relationship.

By this point, my friendship with Sue was already strained. But, I still made an effort to pick things back up and made arrangements to meet, and checked in on her via text.. but I felt her response to my efforts were ..a bit cold. I did tell her all about Tony, so she is aware of that horrendous time in my life.

I met someone new (we'll call him John). He genuinely is an amazing guy. The love of my life! My mood greatly improved, I was in a much better place. I continued with contact with Sue, albeit a shadow of the contact we'd had many years ago, but we had obviously not been in as regular contact as we once had, so it was difficult to jump straight back into what we had before. Anyway, later that year, my role at work changed and I was thrust into the deep end with no support from my line manager. I struggled.. badly. All my anxiety returned and again, I was very barely functioning and wasn't able to maintain friendships. I was diagnosed with work related stress and depression and was signed off sick. When I was well enough to go back to work, I did. Again, I apologised to Sue for my lack of contact and explained the circumstances.

More recently, over the past year, I have tried to get our friendship back on track. I'd suggested a few times that we meet for a socially distanced walk etc. She is well now (in remission) and is someone who completely throws herself a work and friends.. so she is busy and hard to pin down, so I gave her plenty of opportunities for when I am free to meet. She never got back to me with any dates, just replied and told me she'd check her diary.

I sent her a text in November asking how she is and that it would be lovely to see her.
In response, I got quite a shocking reply from her in which she said "you have definitely pushed me away since my cancer diagnosis and treatment". I was very upset by this comment and somewhat offended. As mentioned earlier, I was an absolute rock to her when she was diagnosed and going through treatment. I then had my own life issues to deal with which made it harder for me to maintain a level of friendship she was used to. I did my best throughout to explain all this to her and to maintain at least some level of friendship. I honestly thought she understood that, but it is now apparent that she believes I actively and intentionally pushed her away - which is far from true.

I know these circumstances aren't exactly the same as yours, but please hear your friend out. You have no idea what she has been dealing with in all that time and she is clearly trying to make an effort - which can be really hard after not being in contact for some time. She probably feels guilty and perhaps anxious about what you might have to say to her about her disappearing for so long. But, we were good friends at one point, so at least give her an opportunity to explain.

RantyAnty · 31/12/2020 09:30

I wouldn't bother with texts or sending letters.

Ring her up and see what has been going on. She may have been isolated by an abusive husband. A short phone call and you can decide what you want to do.

Wanderlusto · 31/12/2020 09:33

I dont think my message is cruel, it acknowledges that she is going through a tough time but makes it clear that that isn't an excuse for ghosting years ago. Theres nothing wrong with telling some chancer that you aren't up for a rinsing.

Perhaps if she had apologised in her letter or gave some sort of reasonable explanation, but as is...all she is doing is trying to guilt and manipulate op into forgiving shaudy treatment. Yes it's reasonable to feel sad for her if she is genuinely going through these things, but they don't unfortunately, let her off the hook.

Though tbf, perhaps no response is best.

Mummyoflittledragon · 31/12/2020 09:33

@Ghostedxoxo

Thank you all for all your responses. *@MichelleScarn* I don't think that my friend was in an abusive relationship. I generally think that I am a fairly good judge of character and I have known my friend's partner for about 25 years. I feel that he is a nice man and have never got the slightest impression of him having another side to him. We did know him well and have been on holiday with them both as a couple. I do think that he wasn't her soul mate though and that she found him a bit irritating. The last time I saw my friend four years ago, both myself and my husband got the feeling she was probably having an affair.
My friend said that about a man she and her husband are friendly with and she is normally a good judge of character. He and his wife viewed our house. Both my dh and I found him vile. Dh was disgusted at how he disrespected his wife. I found him a misogynist prick in general.

The point is, I would give her a chance. You feel as though you’ve moved on. If that is really the case, it won’t hurt terribly if she proves flaky again. Even if you do rekindle your friendship, it will be forever changed.

Alys20 · 31/12/2020 09:38

What @RantyAnty said. No need to overthink it!!

Ghostedxoxo · 31/12/2020 09:58

@Mummyoflittledragon I'm not sure I have moved on to the extent I wouldn't feel hurt if I was ghosted a second time. I'm not sure I can risk going through it again as it really affected my mental health at the time.

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Sittinbythetree · 31/12/2020 10:01

I think you do need to try to work out if you were actually ghosted or if the lack of contact was for other reasons.

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