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How do I respond to this? CF or am I oversensitive?

130 replies

ShowMeThePainting · 08/12/2020 13:01

Brace yourself, this is going to be VERY LONG! Have changed places and names.

Back story
I was living in Bristol, and I met a girl - let's call her Emily. On paper we were meant to be friends, but although we tried meeting up a few times, there was always something off. She was a musician, and spent a lot of time talking about her open relationship with her long-term partner of 10 years, David, and how amazing it was to be free of social conventions.

One night at the pub, she introduced me to David, also a musician and a painter. Whereas I hadn't clicked with her, I massively hit it off with him, and we became friends. I soon learnt that the person driving the open relationship thing was Emily, not David, and that she was basically always on the lookout for women to set him up with, because her being able to shag other men was dependent on him having women to shag.

David and I became very good friends. We spent a lot of time together, and just really gelled. We had a lot of fun together, and he began pressuring me to get involved with him romantically. Although I was starting to "love him", it's kind of hard to explain - it was more like I developed a very deep-rooted affection and sense of kinship with him, but I wasn't necessarily crazily physically attracted to him, and didn't want a proper relationship with him. So I went with it, out of curiosity but also because I did feel close to him. But along side that, the whole open relationship thing drove me insane. Not because I wanted to be with him, but because I just couldn't stand the hypocrisy of it. It felt like they both wanted the social convention and security of being in a long-term live-in relationship, while also using people without those things to satisfy the "fun factor", while telling us, their "secondary" partners, that there was absolutely no difference between us and their "primary" relationship.

Which was clearly bullshit. A good example was when me and David had planned to do something one night. He came to my house, and she called. It was 10pm. She began crying about how lonely she felt sat at home, because her "secondary" partner had stood her up. After David finished speaking to her, he was really upset and didn't know what to do. I told him I didn't really care about the evening itself, but just wanted to point out that if he did leave to go to her, then clearly he really needed to stop believing his own BS about there being "no difference" between us all. He started crying, and he left to be with her.

While I continued really like David as a friend, I found both of them quite manipulative and deceptive, with right-on principles that didn't actually translate.

End of back story

It was 2016, and this had been going on for six months or so. Finally, I put an end to it, which David wasn't happy about, and kind of tried to continue nagging in me to continue this weird half romantic relationship. I said I wanted us to just stay friends, and anyway, I was going to move to Germany.

On the day I left for Germany, in 2016, he told me he would see me off at the station. He brought with him a painting he had made for me. I was really touched, but I didn't want to take it. It felt like if I did, because things were still ambiguous, it would be like continuing on a romantic thing. So I didn't take it.

2017, time went by, I would come back to the UK for visits and meet up with him, all good, friends.

2018, same. In the summer of 2018, as time had gone by and old wounds had closed, I sent him a message saying - you know that painting you did? Do you still have it? He did. I asked him if he wanted to sell it to me. The reason I wanted to buy it was that I have artists in my family, and I know it's important to support artists you know. Also, I liked the painting. It was painted for me, and it was of a place that meant something to both of us. He said sure. He asked for £300. I wired it that same day, in May 2018 I believe.

Every time I went back to the UK, he would "forget" to bring the painting when we met up. Even when I was there for a few days, and we would meet say on a Friday, and I would remind him, he still wouldn't bring it on the Saturday.

Finally, in 2019, I said - look, would it be easier if you just sent me the painting? That's probably best, it'll mean I won't have to transport it back home by hand, too. He said sure.

Painting never came.

Now in 2020, with the first lockdown, I'm self-employed and income plummeted. I began having to take a very close look at my bank statements, and that prompted the memory of the painting. I began feeling a bit angry about this - it's been two years, I would expect either my money back or the painting?

I began suspecting that SOMETHING was going on - either he'd already sold it, or he had put it on his wall and Emily maybe kicked up a fuss about him taking it down to send to me, or something. Whatever really.

I told him that at this stage, to just forget the painting and give me my money back. He said oh no no no, why don't I send you the painting anyway! I said seriously, just forget about it now. He asked for my bank details. I sent them. A week later he said he couldn't read them properly, could I send a clearer image (????). I did.

Last month he began chatting to me, and asked me if there was anything I wanted to talk about (I told him I'd been going through a hard time). So finally, I sent him this:

"I would like to talk to you about things but honestly I'm also struggling a bit. I don't feel like I should have to work this hard to get back money I initially gave you because I wanted to show my support. I think your tardiness feels disrespectful and that's a shame because it has definitely shifted the dynamic between us which I don't like."

In response, he sent me this:
"Re: the money - I got your email, but I don't have it to send because I'm out of work on universal credit with no savings. I challenge your assumption it's a lack of respect. It was very kind of you to offer support, but your demand for it back went on top of what was already a few hundred of debt. I haven't forgotten and I'll help you when I can..."

Am I being oversensitive in thinking this is quite a manipulative message? I don't know. I'm not sure how the back story and this painting story are connected but they make me feel the same feeling, which is a kind of frustration and anger. I'm not sure why. I just don't think I would have the gall.

To make it even more WHAT...! I saw that he has started a Crowdfunder, he posted on FB asking people to contribute because he and Emily want to make an album.

Am I reading too much into this? His language feels undermining to me, again not sure why. I have been too passive in my life and have recently started being firmer and more direct in my dealings with people, and it's really paying off. So I want to do that if this merits it here. But I also dont want to ruin a friendship by reading too much into it.

OP posts:
PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 09/12/2020 07:12

I suspect their album will be dreadful. I know I've missed the point, there.

Blankscreen · 09/12/2020 07:13

I think you are way to invested in this friendship. It looks to me like you developed feelings for him and he effectively chose Emily over you.

You need to write off the £309 and forget about David your so called friend.

Going after him for £300 will just keep the contact going and for your own sanity it needs to stop

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 09/12/2020 07:14

You sound as weird as David and Emily. I just can't understand why you'd write to him after two years to offer to buy a painting you didn't even want in the first place? Were you just missing the drama? Sounds like a really bad novel.

Agreed. A really bad very boring novel.

WizardOfAus · 09/12/2020 07:15

I hope you didn’t send your flowery/wet /emotionally invested text... otherwise, this saga will go on and on.

Send @justilou1 message and also threaten to leave reviews on his Facebook and crowd funding pages.

Lobelia123 · 09/12/2020 07:19

I think 300 pounds is a cheap price to pay for your peace of mind, self respect and the freedom to move on and meet someone who is honest and willing to be an equal and faithful partner to you. Write the money and the painting off, bin this loser and move on with your life! Dont even waste the oxygen saying goodbye or sending a text....this is one of the few scenarios that I think richly deserves a thorough ghosting.

Blankscreen · 09/12/2020 07:22

This isn't about the money!!

If he sends you the painting now I doubt you can sell it for £300 so you still won't have the cash back.

It was a way of making contact in the same way that offering to buy the painting was in the first place.

Step away and block him.

MiddleClassProblem · 09/12/2020 07:23

This all played out in black and white in my head

MiddleClassProblem · 09/12/2020 07:27

Also, where were you getting the train to? Just a bit confused if you were traveling from Bristol airport as it has no station, you have to go by taxi, car or bus.

Or were you going the whole way to Germany by train? More expensive but romantic...

KinseyWinsey · 09/12/2020 07:29

Did you not meet more interesting and honest people in Germany? Seriously did you not move on in any way?

This couple are seriously fucked up. They are vile scroungers who will use and abuse anyone.

Run. Block them and make new friends. Go back to Germany or somewhere where you can be happy.

Drop them and leave them far on the mists of time.

KinseyWinsey · 09/12/2020 07:33

I also think the fact that you've not told them to fuck off a long time ago and have not got one speck of outrage about their behaviour suggests that you should really spend some time thinking about why you accept such shit behaviour.

Why would you offer him money for a painting he was going to give you in the past? Two years on.

Why would you continue to be in contact with such blatant grifters? Asking for money in a crowdfund to record an album ffs.

They sound like utter tossers who can target people to give them money for nothing.

Poorlykitten · 09/12/2020 07:34

Emily has the painting. Anyone else desperate to see the painting? Grin

YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 07:36

@WizardOfAus

I hope you didn’t send your flowery/wet /emotionally invested text... otherwise, this saga will go on and on.

Send @justilou1 message and also threaten to leave reviews on his Facebook and crowd funding pages.

OP wants this sage to go on and on. Hence her buying of the painting in the first place - she wanted a continued connection with David.

And now she's dragging us all into it Grin

YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 07:36

*saga

ShowMeThePainting · 09/12/2020 07:37

I have just decided to block him.

You're right all of you, it's the only way. I dont want the painting, and I wont see the money. The only thing continuing this would achieve is just creating drama and I have more to be getting on with.

Thanks so much for the helpful replies - I did move on, have lots better friends, and made new friends in "Germany" too. I'm not sure why this continued to bother me, but it did.

For those of you who just come on to be mean ("you're weird....bad novel....etc"), I think you should take a look at yourselves. I deliberately came on to Relationships not AIBU because I didn't want a load of catty replies but actually some help in seeing more clearly, which lots of posters gave me, so thanks to those that did.

It's weird how a small action feels good, but it definitely lifted something in me to block him. Funny thing is when you click "block" it says "do you want to block this user?" 😂 Yes, yes I do!

Thanks again all, I know it was a slog to read.

OP posts:
ShowMeThePainting · 09/12/2020 07:39

@YoureNotOnTheList

We were already in contact, we had been friends and in regular contact anyway. The reason I wanted to buy the painting was because he had been talking about how depressing it was to be putting loads of energy into his stuff but not being able to live off it, PLUS the painting was of somewhere that meant something to me, when I had left the country, so i wanted it for sentimental reasons. I thought it would be a win win thing to do

OP posts:
MiddleClassProblem · 09/12/2020 07:43

So it wasn’t Germany? Was it Reading?

The reason I wanted to buy the painting was because he had been talking about how depressing it was to be putting loads of energy into his stuff but not being able to live off it

I thought you hadn’t spoken to them in a few years so how did you know this was still the case?

KarmaNoMore · 09/12/2020 07:54

Good grief woman, £300 is not enough to continue putting with so much rubbish for years. See forgetting about £300 as the cost of your freedom, move on and never have contact with this looser again.

CandyLeBonBon · 09/12/2020 07:56

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user1493494961 · 09/12/2020 07:59

Is this your first novel OP, I think it needs a bit of work.

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 09/12/2020 08:01

Emily befriended you for her own sexual purposes. David, by your own words "pressured" you into a sexual relationship. And you're wanting to still get his attention because they not only coerced you but stole from you. They are abusive. Block and work on yourself and your boundaries, these people are completely toxic and predatory, preying on young vulnerable women for sex they will get through pressure if necessary

oldmum22 · 09/12/2020 08:11

Forget the money , it is gone .
Forget the painting, it is on Emilys wall .
Move on and block any further contact.

These two people have behaved appallingly towards you. You are worth so much more . The lesson here is, do not take everything on face value , as people arent always what they appear to be.
Good luck

YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 08:12

Well done for blocking him. Now make sure you don't keep peeking at their crowdfunder...

AlternativePerspective · 09/12/2020 08:17

I wouldn’t buy it. The novel that is. And I wouldn’t use the image of the painting as the cover....

TimeQuest01 · 09/12/2020 08:22

I would just move on and never talk to either of them again.

Why would you want the painting now?

Every time you look at it it’s going to make you remember this whole mess.

Eckhart · 09/12/2020 08:45

I will admit that I haven't read the full OP, but I see you've already made a decision about this particular situation. I just wanted to say (because learning this has changed my life), that there's no such thing as 'oversensitive', because there are no rules or guidelines about how sensitive we should be. If someone's behavior makes you uncomfortable, you don't need to judge that feeling as right or wrong. It's simply telling you that they crossed one of your boundaries. People get classed as oversensitive when they react dramatically to this, but the reaction is distinct from the initial feeling.

Asking yourself things like 'Is it just me or was this hurtful?' and 'Am I being too sensitive here?' is a demonstration of you not respecting your own emotional responses. Trust yourself. Even if it is 'just you, it doesn't matter. You don't need other people to have the same feeling as you to make it real. The important thing is self validation; all of your feelings are allowed and acceptable, and they all need to be respected.