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How do I respond to this? CF or am I oversensitive?

130 replies

ShowMeThePainting · 08/12/2020 13:01

Brace yourself, this is going to be VERY LONG! Have changed places and names.

Back story
I was living in Bristol, and I met a girl - let's call her Emily. On paper we were meant to be friends, but although we tried meeting up a few times, there was always something off. She was a musician, and spent a lot of time talking about her open relationship with her long-term partner of 10 years, David, and how amazing it was to be free of social conventions.

One night at the pub, she introduced me to David, also a musician and a painter. Whereas I hadn't clicked with her, I massively hit it off with him, and we became friends. I soon learnt that the person driving the open relationship thing was Emily, not David, and that she was basically always on the lookout for women to set him up with, because her being able to shag other men was dependent on him having women to shag.

David and I became very good friends. We spent a lot of time together, and just really gelled. We had a lot of fun together, and he began pressuring me to get involved with him romantically. Although I was starting to "love him", it's kind of hard to explain - it was more like I developed a very deep-rooted affection and sense of kinship with him, but I wasn't necessarily crazily physically attracted to him, and didn't want a proper relationship with him. So I went with it, out of curiosity but also because I did feel close to him. But along side that, the whole open relationship thing drove me insane. Not because I wanted to be with him, but because I just couldn't stand the hypocrisy of it. It felt like they both wanted the social convention and security of being in a long-term live-in relationship, while also using people without those things to satisfy the "fun factor", while telling us, their "secondary" partners, that there was absolutely no difference between us and their "primary" relationship.

Which was clearly bullshit. A good example was when me and David had planned to do something one night. He came to my house, and she called. It was 10pm. She began crying about how lonely she felt sat at home, because her "secondary" partner had stood her up. After David finished speaking to her, he was really upset and didn't know what to do. I told him I didn't really care about the evening itself, but just wanted to point out that if he did leave to go to her, then clearly he really needed to stop believing his own BS about there being "no difference" between us all. He started crying, and he left to be with her.

While I continued really like David as a friend, I found both of them quite manipulative and deceptive, with right-on principles that didn't actually translate.

End of back story

It was 2016, and this had been going on for six months or so. Finally, I put an end to it, which David wasn't happy about, and kind of tried to continue nagging in me to continue this weird half romantic relationship. I said I wanted us to just stay friends, and anyway, I was going to move to Germany.

On the day I left for Germany, in 2016, he told me he would see me off at the station. He brought with him a painting he had made for me. I was really touched, but I didn't want to take it. It felt like if I did, because things were still ambiguous, it would be like continuing on a romantic thing. So I didn't take it.

2017, time went by, I would come back to the UK for visits and meet up with him, all good, friends.

2018, same. In the summer of 2018, as time had gone by and old wounds had closed, I sent him a message saying - you know that painting you did? Do you still have it? He did. I asked him if he wanted to sell it to me. The reason I wanted to buy it was that I have artists in my family, and I know it's important to support artists you know. Also, I liked the painting. It was painted for me, and it was of a place that meant something to both of us. He said sure. He asked for £300. I wired it that same day, in May 2018 I believe.

Every time I went back to the UK, he would "forget" to bring the painting when we met up. Even when I was there for a few days, and we would meet say on a Friday, and I would remind him, he still wouldn't bring it on the Saturday.

Finally, in 2019, I said - look, would it be easier if you just sent me the painting? That's probably best, it'll mean I won't have to transport it back home by hand, too. He said sure.

Painting never came.

Now in 2020, with the first lockdown, I'm self-employed and income plummeted. I began having to take a very close look at my bank statements, and that prompted the memory of the painting. I began feeling a bit angry about this - it's been two years, I would expect either my money back or the painting?

I began suspecting that SOMETHING was going on - either he'd already sold it, or he had put it on his wall and Emily maybe kicked up a fuss about him taking it down to send to me, or something. Whatever really.

I told him that at this stage, to just forget the painting and give me my money back. He said oh no no no, why don't I send you the painting anyway! I said seriously, just forget about it now. He asked for my bank details. I sent them. A week later he said he couldn't read them properly, could I send a clearer image (????). I did.

Last month he began chatting to me, and asked me if there was anything I wanted to talk about (I told him I'd been going through a hard time). So finally, I sent him this:

"I would like to talk to you about things but honestly I'm also struggling a bit. I don't feel like I should have to work this hard to get back money I initially gave you because I wanted to show my support. I think your tardiness feels disrespectful and that's a shame because it has definitely shifted the dynamic between us which I don't like."

In response, he sent me this:
"Re: the money - I got your email, but I don't have it to send because I'm out of work on universal credit with no savings. I challenge your assumption it's a lack of respect. It was very kind of you to offer support, but your demand for it back went on top of what was already a few hundred of debt. I haven't forgotten and I'll help you when I can..."

Am I being oversensitive in thinking this is quite a manipulative message? I don't know. I'm not sure how the back story and this painting story are connected but they make me feel the same feeling, which is a kind of frustration and anger. I'm not sure why. I just don't think I would have the gall.

To make it even more WHAT...! I saw that he has started a Crowdfunder, he posted on FB asking people to contribute because he and Emily want to make an album.

Am I reading too much into this? His language feels undermining to me, again not sure why. I have been too passive in my life and have recently started being firmer and more direct in my dealings with people, and it's really paying off. So I want to do that if this merits it here. But I also dont want to ruin a friendship by reading too much into it.

OP posts:
Monty27 · 09/12/2020 03:56

OP if David finally gave you the painting you bought from him would you still love it 🤔

FunkBus · 09/12/2020 04:03

"I guess I want him to know that I dont think he is the good person he pretends he is, I want him to know I see through him"

He will never ever be able to see that. Most people on the planet are utterly blind to their own faults, but artistic, open relationship, money stealing people like this? The blindest of all. I spent my 20s around these people, I probably was one of them myself. They will never ever see unless they want to.

Walk away. You will never get what you want from him.

ShowMeThePainting · 09/12/2020 04:15

He has a steady job at the council so I dont understand what he means about UC.

Weirdly enough, many years back, before Bristol, i had already met them briefly in passing without registering. She was on the same course as me and was really demure and "blowdryed". Then they moved to bristol and reinvented themselves!

OP posts:
ShowMeThePainting · 09/12/2020 04:16

I'm going to send him the message now, and will wait to see what he replies before blocking (morbid curiosity)

OP posts:
BlackCatShadow · 09/12/2020 04:23

Good luck!

Catsup · 09/12/2020 04:30

Eh?! You also lost me at 'he started crying and went home her', but in fairness I'd previously have run a mile before that point 🙄. Why on earth would you 'give' someone (who sounds like a fruit loop you couldn't get away from quick enough) £300?! For a 'free painting'?... Was it in the style of a 'Gladys' Phoebe Buffay original by any chance?

IHateCoronavirus · 09/12/2020 04:42

Good luck op, take him to small claims if he doesn’t pay up, scamming gob shite.

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pictish · 09/12/2020 05:23

Yes he’s a gaslighting, narcissistic twat and no loss to fall out with.
Good luck.

Comeondelicious · 09/12/2020 05:36

OP even if you got the painting back, would you like to look at it? (I know I wouldn't)
Stop chasing ghosts, you deserve better. Hug.

thelegohooverer · 09/12/2020 05:52

Could you think of it as a release fee that buys your freedom from emotional entanglement with these people? And take some time to reflect on the lessons learned so you get the full value of your £300.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 09/12/2020 05:56

The message just keeps you hooked in to this ridiculous drama.

You knew from the off that he was in a relationship. You knew from the off that they were manipulative liars. Lying about who drive the open relationship, getting involved when you already knew secondary was v much secondary.

You had rejected the painting as a gift. You pro actively chose to get involved again. Knowing what they are like.

If you sent any message at all it should have been short and factual and not ploughing the shit he sent you. Just “in the end you told me repeatedly that the painting was for sale. You agreed to send it in return for the money I had paid. You didn’t send it. Goodbye.” And block.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/12/2020 06:05

I couldn’t get past you continuing to meet up with Emily when you didn’t really get on .....

famousforwrongreason · 09/12/2020 06:12

@GreenlandTheMovie

Sorry, but you're all weird! I'd forget about the £300 and move on, but all 3 of you seem set on doing the oddest things possible, so I doubt that will happen.
I feel bad laughing but this comment is golden.

Op, I concur with all the people who say small claims court.
Copy one of the messages on here and don't add any of your own emotional thoughts.
I would also suggest making it public if he has any selling pages etc but that's maybe just me feeling vengeful against all the people who have ripped me off

famousforwrongreason · 09/12/2020 06:14

@Catsup

Eh?! You also lost me at 'he started crying and went home her', but in fairness I'd previously have run a mile before that point 🙄. Why on earth would you 'give' someone (who sounds like a fruit loop you couldn't get away from quick enough) £300?! For a 'free painting'?... Was it in the style of a 'Gladys' Phoebe Buffay original by any chance?
Hahahaha that painting 🤣
Divebar · 09/12/2020 06:20

I couldn’t get past you continuing to meet up with Emily when you didn’t really get on

This! I can’t work out why you would even do this and to top it off get involved with David when you have no physical attraction to him and grave reservations about their relationship set up.

The money is gone I’m afraid - it’s one of those things you’re going to have to chalk up to experience. I would cut your losses and walk away at this point.

QueefBee · 09/12/2020 06:27

You all sound like hard work.

cuppateabiscuits · 09/12/2020 06:29

@KleinBlue

Forget the cash and the painting, and just run far away from David and Emily, who sound like a permanent two-person car crash and all-purpose omnishambles.
Definitely!
BigSandyBalls2015 · 09/12/2020 06:37

Painter/musician .... steady job at the Council ..... Grin

Just write it all off OP and stay away from them.

Confusedandshaken · 09/12/2020 06:41

There is no point in going to the small claims court If he doesn’t actually have the £300 to give you and it sounds like he doesn’t.

You have wasted far too much time, money and emotion on this dysfunctional loser. Text him back something pithy and satisfying and then delete/block and move on with your life.

Muckish · 09/12/2020 06:57

The details of this get weirder the more you read them. The OP was leaving for Germany to live, David appeared to see her off at the station with a parting gift of a painting (because that’ll fit easily into the OP’s luggage, obv), but the reason she refused to take it is not because she would then have to try to carry a bulky painting with her on an international journey, but because it would make him think there was something romantic between them.

Then, two years after refusing the gift of the painting, the OP, still abroad, writes to David out of the blue and offers him money for the painting he’d tried to give her as a parting present two years earlier, out of a general principle of supporting the arts.

I mean, the least weird thing about this whole tangle is that the painting never arrived..

justilou1 · 09/12/2020 06:57

I honestly think he’ll crap his knickers at the threat of being taken to the Small Claims Court. There’s evidence galore. He’s a parasite. He’ll roll over and maybe stop playing people for fools. The fact that this couple are crying poor on the interwebs shits me as well - unlike a lot of genuine artists, he has an actual JOB!

justilou1 · 09/12/2020 06:59

BTW, @ShowMeThePainting, in the future, please, for the love of all that’s holy, avoid the tortured poet types. They’re almost always self-obsessed drips with a 50% chance of a dangerous narcissistic streak.

Beautiful3 · 09/12/2020 07:01

I would stop all contact with them both. Where is this painting??! He probably sold it

DurhamDurham · 09/12/2020 07:09

You sound as weird as David and Emily. I just can't understand why you'd write to him after two years to offer to buy a painting you didn't even want in the first place? Were you just missing the drama?
Sounds like a really bad novel.