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I think I need to end it

118 replies

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/12/2020 14:23

I just cant do it any more. Fuck knows what I'm gonna do about work/money. Kids will probably be gutted. And I have no idea how I'm gonna do it. Its been 15 years not sure I know much different, but I just can't.

How do you end it without a massive fight/argument....

It will be ok won't it?

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maudspellbody · 05/12/2020 15:32

@Whatwouldscullydo

Grin

Dd2 can be very loud annoying and forgetful...of dd1 can get her into bed by 8 o clock she deserves a meddle...

This is stuff that can be worked out a bit later.

For now, you need to actually have the ending it conversation.

Do you have a plan of when/how you are going to approach it?

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/12/2020 16:57

Its gonna have to be this weekend I guess. If I don't do it soon I never will,

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Bumblebee1980a · 05/12/2020 17:18

Hello,

These conversations are so difficult to initiate so I really do sympathise with you. I have read your posts and I do think you have already made your decision. The decision now is when you're going to initiate this conversation. I would suggest writing down a plan of what you want to say to him and think of things he might reply with so you know what to reply with. The reason being is that these conversations are so emotive and if you're anything like me - I get stressed and then I don't express what I need to which frustrates me more after the conversation.

Do you think he has an inkling of what's going to come as he must know that something isn't right. Most of our communication isn't through our verbal language so I'm guessing he will kind of know.

Anyway, I hope you do have your conversation sooner rather than later. Imagine how much lighter you're going to feel.

Oh I do think worrying about him not being there tomorrow evening whilst your at work is just an excuse even if you're not aware of it. Just go and have the discussion.

Good luck. You can do this.

maudspellbody · 05/12/2020 17:18

Ok.
So what are you going to say?
I'm not suggesting you pre-prepare a speech, but you need to have a rough plan of how you're going to start the conversation and you need to have it clear in your mind that you aren't going to talked round.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/12/2020 17:27

I'm trying to think of all that now. I want to make sure that it doesn't come across as blamey. As I said im not interested in assigning responsibility/blame.

Ironic really im not bothered about being single its just the convo as you all pointed out.

" I dont think I can do this anymore " probably sounds a bit like I can ve take round I guess.

"I don't want... " makes it sound a bit selfish...

Haha I'm kinda used to being ghosted or gaslit befire this so, so breaking up is something I'm not really experienced at...

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Bumblebee1980a · 05/12/2020 17:52

How about "I've been reflecting a lot recently and I've been thinking about how we both could be so much happier than we are right now".

Or "lockdown has initiated some thoughts I've recently had about..."

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/12/2020 18:04

I quite like that actually bumble

I think starting off talking about how we could both be happier, is a good choice. Doesnt blame anyone just acknowledges a fact...

Thank u

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maudspellbody · 05/12/2020 18:27

There doesn't need to be blame. It's all in the wording.

Talk about yourself and how you feel. Not 'you make me feel...' but 'I feel'

And talk about the situation you are both in without mentioning anyone's behaviour.

MrsGrindah · 05/12/2020 18:31

Sometimes OP relationships just wear out. Nobody is particularly bad, but you’ve just both realised whatever you had is gone. Sounds like you are at that stage

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/12/2020 18:33

Yeah I think I am. I dont think jts fair on any of us now

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RandomMess · 05/12/2020 18:42

Regarding the DC I would find a local college or uni student and pay them to start at 7.30 and offer £5 per hour. Once DD2 is in bed they have time to chill/study so not a bad deal for them.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 11:31

Its done. I think. Still have to work out the logistics but he took it surprisingly well.

Its weird, for months I've been feeling nothing. Its hit me a bit harder than thought it would. Guess its a bit late to realise maybe I do feel something after all. Still it doesn't change anything . Wishing I didn't have to work today not sure I can face it really but hey ho what can you do...

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couchparsnip · 06/12/2020 16:31

Well done. Hope you are all doing OK.

That fact that he took it well is a sign you're doing the right thing I would have thought.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 17:07

It was a little weird I mean he's not mentioned going anywhere yet so as he pays the rent maybe he expects me to go ..but I'm sure we will get that discussed amicably enough.

I'm OK just tired. Keep having moments of panicking about money and then reminding myself millions do this...

Short term pain for long term gain and all that

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Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 20:20

Meant to ask, what did u all tell your kids. How do you make sure they are ok

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Bumblebee1980a · 06/12/2020 21:25

@Whatwouldscullydo

Meant to ask, what did u all tell your kids. How do you make sure they are ok
I don't have experience with children of that age. 10 and 14 I think you said?

For three 10 year old I would find a quite moment, maybe go and do something together (a walk, somewhere she likes to go) and ask how she is first.

For the 14 year old I can't only go on how I was Hmm. I personally would have preferred a conversation in the car (less intimidating), also less attention on observing her emotional reaction (from her point of view).

Or maybe both together? But you know your children. But if together the one with the bigger personality might suck the other one in to feel the same.

Bumblebee1980a · 06/12/2020 21:26

Sorry I meant "For the 10 year old I would find a quiet moment..."

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 21:52

Do you think its worth telling the school. Well dd2s...

I mean once we decide who's doing what/going where...

Is it better to give the school a heads up or would that make her feel shes being watched a bit?

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RachelHRD · 06/12/2020 21:58

2 years post split which I instigated and was a shock to him despite all the signs, separate rooms and no sex for almost 3 years, constant arguments etc....
....and yes I can totally say it was worth it and I'm happier than I've been in years, kids are ok (10 and 13) and even the ex has a girlfriend who is far better suited to him!
I have a lovely partner who i have great chemistry with and we laugh and get on really well, not something I ever had with ex.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 22:22

I'm glad it worked out rachel Smile good to hear. And I'm glad the kids r ok too. Thats probably my biggest fear that I'm about to ruin their lives or something..dd2 in particular is a happy little thing I'm.not looking forward to telling her.

Definitely not thinking of anyone else right now..In fact the idea of another man , well I just can't stand the thought of it tbh..

I'm.sure ill feel differently at some point in the future, although I dont really go anywhere or do anything to meet anyone so I might be better off getting the cats now and being done with it...

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RachelHRD · 06/12/2020 23:11

Kids are resilient and ultimately I realised that the toxic relationship we had was far more damaging and wasn't giving them the right example of what a healthy adult relationship should be like.
Give yourself time and I'm sure you'll feel like meeting someone else once things settle down. Online dating did it for me so you never know.
Take care of yourself, its a big step and a brave decision but it sounds like you're already there in terms of knowing it's what you need x

Badwill · 06/12/2020 23:19

Well done OP, very brave Flowers

I hope everything works out for you and your DDs.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/12/2020 23:45

Thank you all... I made it through the day...we are telling the kids tomorrow, been a fair few tears from both of us tonight ..off to bed now got another day to get through tomorrow

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Theghostofchristmasarse · 07/12/2020 00:17

This was me in March... We'd been to counselling and Id been telling him I wasn't happy for 6 months previous to that.... I really wasn't for several years, on and off. He's a good man but just cold at times, unless drinking. No emotional maturity. We didn't talk, we just slotted into these routines, him working, me doing everything, plus working. Your comment about dinner got me... I'd get back after a day out and find the kids were hungry, he'd not fed them tea, hadn't hought to.
It was hard, that first night I really said that I couldn't do it anymore, that I didnt think my feelings would come back... Horrible. He drank loads and spent the next day in bed, or sitting just staring at the floor. It was horrible for everyone. Then he said he wanted to keep trying.. For a week. Then he got drunk again and this time thanked me, said if I hadn't done it he never would... He'd been unhappy too.

So we then spent lockdown together, living in the house.. He went though phases of buying stuff, planning projects, buying things for his new place, then back to drinking and not talking to any of us. Crying. So much crying... This, a man is never seen cry in 18 years.

We did go back and forth over the house, money etc. Turned out to be all either of us wanted, to say in the house. He never once mentioned the kids, or checked if they were OK really.
But just tried to do it a few weeks apart each time, so it wasn't one big conversation.

I started to spend days out with my friends, leaving him to have the kids. He had to step up and parent.

Telling the DC didn't happen until he had a house lined up... He wouldn't tell dd with me.. I sat with her in her room, playing with her pet rats.. We chatted, I then said she had friends that had parents who lived apart, and that we had decided not to live together..
She literally didn't say anything other than.. OK, was fine. Still is. Had one upsetting night when she wanted me, he didn't know what to do so called me, I had to collect them both at 11pm..after that though its been fine, they like going, they have things there, they picked out stuff to put in their rooms. I bought most of it, he doesn't drive (won't learn) so I did all the ikea trips. The most uncomfortable ikea trip ever was with him, buying stuff for his house.

I won't lie, I've doubted it so many times. I had a wobble every time we had to talk about something else, the house, money etc. We get on OK, we hae a laugh, but it's all surface. He relies on me a lot still, he's not really parenting fully, as I still organise everything, it's weird because we could still fall back into the same patterns. We will be in the car and chatting, it's just like it used to be... But I'm reminded then, when he's being purposely obtuse, or isn't even asking about the kids, or he uses this weird fake one of voice with dd, because he doesn't know how to have a normal conversation with her... I remember the relief when I told him and later the relief when he accepted it. Still lots of people dont know, but when I mention it, it doesn't feel odd.

He's been moved out 5 months now.. I love living by myself, it's been lonely, because lockdown and tier 3.. But it'll get easier. I know Christmas will be odd, I already have had the odd sad moment putting up decorations etc.. But I'm happier, definitely. The kids are fine, the youngest, 5, is just carrying on as normal and it doesn't appear to have affected them.. They barely saw him and he was very closed down, still is, but makes more of an effort now.

I'm getting there, the guilt for ages was overwhelming but it's lessening now. Mainly over the house, but it's cost me so much in DIY and repairs that he's probably grateful it's not his responsibility!
Theres hurdles all the time, first Xmas, birthdays, anniversaries... It'll be a year before you know it though and all that pain goes. I'm still glad I did it. I know I couldn't have continued as I was. I just didn't love him anymore and I turned into someone I didn't like around him.
Just take it a step at a time. You'll all be OK in the end. Better than OK, happy!

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/12/2020 07:07

Thank you for sharing ghost

Slept surprisingly well considering. Given we were talking until half eleven last night and I had to get up at 6.15 im alot less tired than I expected. Guess it did me some good to get some things laid out. I did feel bad for upsetting him last thing I wanted was to hurt anyone and yes its partly my fault for not saying something sooner.

Some things came out last night which I had no idea he was feeling either. Like how he felt my family always looked down on him. Except I feel the same way about his but I still plastered a smile on my face and got on with it. I explained how my family look down on everyone ,including me and that's partly why we didnt get on when I was a kid, but I also explained I spent another of tine defending him and trying to explain as to why he wasn't at the play/birthday/assembly etc and ironically the only things they ever said about him to me was that he never came to anything.

He said that he didn't like to keep involving them for baby sitting duty yet they were mostly involved becuase I couldn't ask him half the time to do it. I never made him give up his hobby , but my work is open 7 days a week so the fact i don't ever usually work Saturdays makes me extremely lucky so making me feel bad or even afraid to ask him to take the kids on a Saturday on the 4 or 5 occasions I've been asked to cover due to sickness/holiday means I ended up asking them anyway. Hes had to sacrifice far less plans than I have covering the kids.

Sometimes I used to ask if he could finish work early and pick up the youngest so I could go to a parents evening at dd1s school and he'd tell me he cant afford to take the time off then a few days later will just randomly have a day off fir himself. Again I don't begrudge him taking a day to himself . Some weeks he works 6 days a week and obviously some time off tonrelac and do his hobby is more than fair , but you can't make me feel bad fir asking and tell me we can't afford to then turn round and take the whole day a week later.

Sorry that probably makes me sound a bit selfish, and I didn't my best really to not impact him, but the kids have 2 pretty I shouldn't have to involve family when their dad is right there

Anyway he did say he was sorry I felt that way and he did want to try and work things out but I just couldn't say yes . I just can't see what will change if he says here while we try and work stuff out. Its all just gonna be exactly the same as it was before. Him trying and me waiting for the day it all just falls back to how it was. I said if there's any hope it will come from us having some time apart and getting our shit together separately and we cant work on ourselves with an audience... think that's setting us all up to fail miserably.

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