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Does your fella do stuff for you?

103 replies

WTF99 · 21/11/2020 01:47

So I've been seeing someone for 3 years now. We are mature and independent...each with own home, financially independent, own friends and family with some overlap but not living in each others pockets. We see each other 4 nights a week and stay over, either at mine or his. It's easy as no dependent children and we live 10 minute drive from each other.
Generally it works well but there's an ongoing bugbear that he seems to think that I'm intent on taking advantage of him, specifically around things I need help with in the house. So...moving heavy stuff that I can't do on my own for example, or more recently some flat pack furniture I've recently bought that takes 2 to assemble. Tonight he's had a massive hissy fit about that....I'm taking advantage of him in asking for his help and no amount of ironing or cooking I might do in return will be enough to make up the balance.
I'm at a loss really. I've had lots of work done in my house this last year and have paid for it all, not expecting or asking anything from him. Hes used to living alone and being independent but ive gradually made progress in getting him to accept my input and help with things in his home.
But there's always this feeling that if I ask him for anything then I'm taking advantage....and taking the piss basically.
I just feel that this is the kind thing people help each other out with when they're in a relationship. I do have other friends I could ask to help me build a flat pack....but he'd probably be in a strop if I did.....and I'm pretty sure they'd be wondering why he wasnt helping me.
So what should I do? Just stop asking him? It all feels so petty and ridiculous. I'd help him with anything but I'm made to feel like a user when I ask for his help with anything

OP posts:
EarthSight · 21/11/2020 11:24

Generally it works well but there's an ongoing bugbear that he seems to think that I'm intent on taking advantage of him, specifically around things I need help with in the house. So...moving heavy stuff that I can't do on my own for example, or more recently some flat pack furniture I've recently bought that takes 2 to assemble. Tonight he's had a massive hissy fit about that....I'm taking advantage of him in asking for his help and no amount of ironing or cooking I might do in return will be enough to make up the balance

I lived almost exclusively with housemates for years, and I know exactly what you're talking about. It's more common in men I think, but I've seen it in women too.

It can be infuriating and hurtful. Sometimes men like this have mother issues. Often, but not always, their mother was overbearing or suffocating them too much when they were growing up. It's possible they have a very defiant nature that is mostly displaced too. There might be trust issues floating around in the background, particularly towards women. It could be a pervasive victim mindset (very bad news for you as you will be coerced into doing all kinds of things as your good nature, guilt, and desire to be a good person is used against you).

He may know exactly what he's doing. He knows you need help, he knows you're being reasonable.....but he simply doesn't care because he want to do anything for you. He can usually get his own selfish way by accusing others of wrong doing which allows his to get away with doing fuck all. If he does do anything, even better as he can present himself as a put-upon martyr for helping - win-win!!

With a man like this, requests for help or cooperation will be interpreted as you telling him what to do, you overstepping boundaries, you being controlling. They are unable or unwilling to see when someone is genuinely asking for help and someone truly domineering. You're going to feel like a bad person even for asking him to do entirely reasonable things. He will make you feel guilty for just asking him to pull his weight.

This is going to cause a lot of conflict once you live together. It's an irrational at worst, and supremely selfish and manipulative at worst. You just can't work in a team with someone like that because they don't know the meaning of the word (there's a lot of them out there in workplaces too). It's awkward, conflict-ridden hard work.

Aerial2020 · 21/11/2020 11:25

Just because a man is a bit of a twat does not make him autistic.
This really is offensive everytime that is brought up on mumsnet.
Not helping someone with their flat pack does not make an autistic trait and it so flippantly discussed minimises how much autism effects people.

Knittedfairies · 21/11/2020 11:26

Build your flat pack - you can do it! - and step away from his ironing.

WTF99 · 21/11/2020 11:34

No offence meant Aerial I don't think hes autistic. He exhibits some behaviors that could be in that general ballpark but that means nothing

I think this is more to do with his upbringing.....but that's a whole other story that I won't go into

OP posts:
WTF99 · 21/11/2020 11:39

I'm off to find an allen key!
Thanks for input everyone and have a good day Smile

OP posts:
EarthSight · 21/11/2020 11:48

@WTF99

Bad Grin you have made me lol

If I told him he was selfish he'd be outraged.....he thinks hes a hero!

Mmm yes. I bet he does! That really isn't surprising!
PickAChew · 21/11/2020 11:50

He sounds a pain in the arse.

DH always got his hands on the flat packs before I could get near them, even when w were first together.

RandomMess · 21/11/2020 11:58

He is complaining about stuff that you would think nothing of helping a mate or even an acquaintance with - moving a table??

EarthSight · 21/11/2020 12:06

Forgot to add. If you end this with him, mind that you seek balance in your next relationship and do go for someone on the opposite end of the spectrum (like someone I know).

Helping is not the same as taking over, and loving that, which is really a joy in being dominant. Some people can't tell the difference! When you ask these people for help, they don't think or say 'What can I do for you that would make this better, easier, or fix this situation for you?'. Instead, they decide what should be done, no matter if you agree or you want it or not!! They simply see a request for help as you asking them to manage you, and in worst cases, to rescue you from your stupidity (if there's any arrogance there) .

Once you ask for help, in their mind you sign an invisible contract which means you must agree with what they want to do for you 100%, (and if not they think you're bring ungrateful or unreasonable). Basically, it's a license for them to take over. You can end up arguing a lot because of that or eventually realise that you can never ask them for help.

I know someone like that and I have to be careful when to ask him for anything!

Dopeyduck · 21/11/2020 12:14

When I first met DP .... we’d been dating a few weeks when I offered to cook him dinner at my place (we normally socialised / stayed at his as he had a dog that needed people around etc).
Anyway I made the dinner and he asked if he could do anything and found out the annoying way that the draw handle comes off in your hand sometimes 😂.

He asked why I hadn’t fixed it and I said I didn’t have that sort of screwdriver. Sure enough next time he came round to mine he came equip with said screwdriver and fixed the draw.

Your DP I feel is being unusual and selfish.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/11/2020 12:16

Ime men tend to like being asked to help with practical things like heavy lifting and flat pack!!

I couldn't go out with someone that unkind and unhelpful, he sounds spiteful honestly.

My friends boyfriend helped me the other weekend (pre lockdown) with moving a heavy bookcase. He was happy to help because he's a nice bloke 🤷‍♀️

LilyLongJohn · 21/11/2020 12:21

amillion yes, it is taunting me a bit just lying there in the box I think I'll get it out and have a look. I've got the day to myself today. He'll be back later for dinner.

Tell him you haven't cooked him any dinner as you feel he's taking advantage of you by expecting you to cook for him

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/11/2020 12:24

@LilyLongJohn

amillion yes, it is taunting me a bit just lying there in the box I think I'll get it out and have a look. I've got the day to myself today. He'll be back later for dinner.

Tell him you haven't cooked him any dinner as you feel he's taking advantage of you by expecting you to cook for him

This.
Sakurami · 21/11/2020 12:38

I think helping each other out is fine, but I have a friend who I feel massively takes advantage of her boyfriend. Any diy she has and he does. He doesn't mind but I wouldn't ask someone who didnt live with me to do that much work.

My boyfriend offers to help but I get it done by myself or my kids/friends help or I pay someone to do it usually. I still remember my friend's mum roping everyone to do things for her everytime she needed something doing and I hated that. In my family you either did it yourself or paid someone to do it.

DontCryForMeNextdoorNeighbour · 21/11/2020 12:41

Of course he's not normal. A normal partner would be more than happy to help. Hell ive got friends who would happily help me with stuff, and vice versa - let alone an actual partner.
He sounds like a selfish ass, OP. You deserve much better.

WitchWife · 21/11/2020 12:41

I bet he hasn’t been burnt by doing too much in previous relationships. He’s just the kind of person who looks on things done for them as their “due”, but things other people need as a huge imposition. You can bet your ass he looks back on a previous relationship and thinks “Urgh, that Betty. Always demanding things and so selfish... remember that time she had appendicitis and she INSISTED I take her to hospital, and when she asked ME to help her shift the sofa once. ME. The cheeky cow...”

It’s a loathsome babyish mindset and if he hasn’t changed by now sadly he’s not going to. Would be tempting to challenge him directly and say “my neighbour would do this to help me, why won’t you?” And then let him explain. Don’t end the conversation just let him try to explain exactly how doing a low effort thing for your partner is so bad.”

Coyoacan · 21/11/2020 12:53

I hope you build your flat pack and give up the ironing.

Ritascornershop · 21/11/2020 13:25

@EarthSight That was brilliant! Described my ex, and op’s man no doubt, to a t.

CharlotteRose90 · 21/11/2020 14:54

If he’s the right guy for you he’ll help you. My ex was an absolute gem. He loved cooking for me and doing bits. He even built my mum a fence in the garden so she could adopt a dog as he knew how much it would mean to me. Was a dab hand at flat pack aswell whereas me on the other hand I give up when it goes wrong.

ChristmasFluff · 21/11/2020 15:04

It's really telling too that you describe him as someone you have been 'seeing' for 3 years. Not a partner (and he isn't so you are right).

If you want a partner, he's never going t be it, and so you know what to do. If you don't want a partner, then this is something you have to accept - you each stay in your own lane and don't help eachother out.

But that's not even a friendship......

Elfontheshelfjudgesyou · 21/11/2020 15:05

The first thing I thought of reading this is a man on judge Judy who was being sued by his ex as she paid for a holiday and he was supposed to pay her back but after she found out while on the holiday he was cheating on her he decided not to pay her back. He said it was unfair he was expected to pay her back as she was a gold digger, just after him for his money. Judge Judy asked what he'd bought her, the only thing he could say was a 'generous' house warming gift when she moved to a new apartment. Judge Judy asked her about it... it was a set of tea towels from Walmart. They went halves on everything, he wouldn't buy her anything or do anything for her or pay upfront for her to repay him, it always had to be her paying upfront and him repaying it. He was so, so concerned a woman would take advantage of him and his 'money' he had never married or lived with a woman and his relationships were all short term. He lived with his parents (in his 40s) and worked part time as a bartender.

I've come across lots of men on social media and in real life who are similar, sometimes with money, sometimes time, sometimes skills, sometimes all or a combination of them, because they think women are users and will take advantage of them (for tea towels).

EKGEMS · 21/11/2020 15:20

While you're off looking for the Allen tool why don't you grab another guy who isn't a total self absorbed ninny?

puttergal · 21/11/2020 15:37

I married the type of guy who kept score on every little sodding thing he ever did for me (funnily enough didn't bother appreciating all the things I did for him)
This attitude extended to the bedroom.

I'm now divorced and seeing a guy who wants to help me (& vice versa) and is great in the sack too because he is generous and thoughtful there too.

Life is miserable without a sense of community and helping each other out. I'd never share any part of my life with a person like my exh again.

NewlyGranny · 21/11/2020 16:23

If you get the flatpack done and he asks how, tell him you got a man in!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/11/2020 18:04

It's such a joyless way to be isn't it? Surely you can't be arsed with this for much longer OP? Life's too short!

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