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I feel betrayed. Opinions please.

121 replies

Marlieandme82 · 17/11/2020 19:49

I just would like other's perspectives on this please and to know if I'm blowing things out of proportion.

On Saturday night my DP and I had both been drinking quite heavily. We live in separate houses and his mum was staying over at his. We were talking on the phone about very personal issues about our relationship and about a miscarriage I had with his child late last year. I was also talking to him about how I would like to ttc next month for a baby as I feel my time is running out (I'm 39).

At some stage in the conversation I realised I couldn't hear him very clearly. I think I might possibly have hearing issues anyway so put it down to that. He later admitted he had put me on speakerphone without my knowledge.

The next morning I had a real go at him as this is not the first time this has happened. The last time he did it alwas at his mum and dad's house when his mum was walking in and out of the room. He later admitted that his mum who had been in the next room had heard some of the conversation but "not all of it" and nothing to do with the miscarriage or any personal details. I'm absolutely fuming and feel so humiliated.

Then today he hasn't contacted me even by text all day although he normally would every hour or so. Apparently it was because he didn't want to burden me with his problems. Ah right, so it's ok as long as your mum isn't staying with you?! I feel he's just using me for company and as a sounding board.

Another thing that has got on my nerves is that he has recently discussed our relationship with his mum and with a female family friend if his. Surely a 34 year old makes up his own mind?

Anyway, thank you and rant over.Grin

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Biscusting · 17/11/2020 21:36

I’m not sure if this is the most selfish thread on here so far. Must be in the top 5 at least.

Latenightreader · 17/11/2020 21:39

I had a baby using donor sperm. It wasn’t quick or easy, but it was the best route for me and I have an amazing, happy, brilliant, and much loved little girl as a result. I’ve encountered far less prejudice than I expected.

You have options.

MammaCookie · 17/11/2020 21:42

For fucks sake! Can we be a bit kinder to a desperate woman who is also the victim of abuse?

OP, I echo that you shouldn’t have a baby with this man. You have other options to have a child, please look into those.

I also think you need to leave this relationship and look at the Freedom Program. Good luck Flowers

Gncq · 17/11/2020 21:44

No one else seems to have picked up on the fact that the only reason you are so desperate to have a baby is because your twin sister has a child and you'd "like that for myself" (your words).

Your envy of your twin sister is driving you to insanity, in pursuing a domestically violent relationship, trying to fall pregnant by a man you know you can't live with...

You're "Jessica" from Sweet Valley High. The irresponsible selfish one wth a twin sister who makes the right decisions.
Grow up.

TenShortStories · 17/11/2020 21:48

Desperation for a child can skew your perspective, but it sounds like deep down you know it wouldn't be the right thing. That's good, run with that knowledge and end things with him permanently. Then channel all your energy into researching your options for becoming a mother and deciding if you'd like to pursue any of those avenues.

Italiangreyhound · 17/11/2020 21:50

OP please, please think seriously about your life and the life of a child you may bring into the world!

I had my first baby at 39 (well, my only baby) and adopted a child too. So although time is not on your side, you do have time.

DO NOT have a baby with a man who abuses you. You will tie yourself to this man for at least 18 years and realistically he would be in your life, for life!

Get help, speak to women's aid, speak to a counsellor.

YOU KNOW you cannot trust this man with a phone so why would you trust him to be the father of your baby. OP run. Thanks

rorosemary · 17/11/2020 21:51

@Marlieandme82

This isn't a windup, but thanks. I would be a good mother but feel like I have missed my chance. I hope that anybody else commenting in a negative way against me knows what that feels like at my age. I have tried to conceive for years and have only once been pregnant once which resulted in a miscarriage. I don't want to have a child with him per se.
Then go it alone. You don't need to be in a relationship to get pregnant and if he can be violent now he'll just make your family life miserable. Choose yourself. I agree that you don't have much time left but getting pregnant by the wrong man can become a disaster. Do you live close enough to your family that they can support you?
momtoboys · 17/11/2020 21:58

This has to be a post to crank us up.

It can't be true that you used to live together but decided it would be better not to, drink to excess and have drunken phone calls/arguments like university kids, he is immature enough to put you on speaker where his Mummy can overhear, he is ignoring you during a time you should certainly be communicating and NOW you think it is a good time to try and have a child with this idiot? You need to make better life choices.

momtoboys · 17/11/2020 21:59

@MrsGrindah

Please please be a troll and not just incredibly stupid and selfish.
This. Please this.
ZooKeeper19 · 17/11/2020 22:03

@Marlieandme82 call me crazy but if you want a baby, and if you can support one, why not. Just do it and I agree, do not wait.

It's all easy to say to people it's stupid and whatever - nah. Your choice. I know I would think along the same lines (I was not there but I absolutely would understand and support any friend who would decide to go this way).

SunshineCake · 17/11/2020 22:08

[quote ZooKeeper19]@Marlieandme82 call me crazy but if you want a baby, and if you can support one, why not. Just do it and I agree, do not wait.

It's all easy to say to people it's stupid and whatever - nah. Your choice. I know I would think along the same lines (I was not there but I absolutely would understand and support any friend who would decide to go this way).[/quote]
But this is a child, a life, not a new pair of shoes you don't need but want.

MoreLikeThis · 17/11/2020 22:08

This is such a car crash. OP, you need to separate from him for ever.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/11/2020 23:04

[quote ZooKeeper19]@Marlieandme82 call me crazy but if you want a baby, and if you can support one, why not. Just do it and I agree, do not wait.

It's all easy to say to people it's stupid and whatever - nah. Your choice. I know I would think along the same lines (I was not there but I absolutely would understand and support any friend who would decide to go this way).[/quote]
You'd bring a baby into the world knowingly with a violent man for a father? Really?

MissCadoganTate · 17/11/2020 23:13

This is so many shades of awful and why on earth are people suggesting adoption or a donor? There shouldn't be any babies at all, full stop.

Why on earth is adoption always mentioned as an option, no one ever really thinks it through or considers the baby/child.

Rant over

CharlotteRose90 · 18/11/2020 02:18

Wow I actually feel sorry for any child you bring into the world with this man. You are only staying with him to have a child and it won’t be a family as when you’re together you argue. Prepare for therapy bills if you decide to have a Child

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 18/11/2020 09:04

OP, you are traumatised and sad - and people should be a bit kinder about that.

The only reason he's contemplating ttc with you is so that he can control you and abuse you through your child for the next 18 years.

Imagine waving your precious baby off to see their 'dad'. Knowing that you've created a situation where your child has unsupervised contact with an abuser.

Please stop and think. Get some support from Women's Aid. Explore your fertility options on your own - there are options out there, a friend of mine has just had a baby solo and she's 38. This is not the way forward.

Also block this abusive monster and stop talking to him - that's the easiest way to not get on speakerphone with his mum again.

orangejuicer · 18/11/2020 09:19

You really don't sound like you are ready to be a mother OP. That's nothing to do with your struggle to conceive and all to do with your attitude to this man and your responses on this thread.

Cheeseandwin5 · 18/11/2020 09:25

To be honest you both dont sound appealing.
He is is an violent bully and you are only with him for a baby.
Neither of you seems to care for the other person at all.
I would tell you both to walk away.
No child should be brought into such a relationship.

TinyVictories · 18/11/2020 09:27

@ZooKeeper19 ' @Marlieandme82 call me crazy but if you want a baby, and if you can support one, why not. Just do it and I agree, do not wait.

It's all easy to say to people it's stupid and whatever - nah. Your choice. I know I would think along the same lines (I was not there but I absolutely would understand and support any friend who would decide to go this way).'. I'd normally be all for this, but not when there is abuse. OP look into using a sperm donar, unlike PP I wouldn't say wait to do so as you don't have time on your side. No father is much better than an abusive one.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/11/2020 11:04

So many of the problems in the world are caused by shit father figures. Please don't ttc with him. If you're as desperate as you say, it's quite remarkable that you haven't investigated the much better alternatives.

theantsgomarchin · 18/11/2020 11:19

If you just want a baby and you've accepted that you'll be doing it alone, just get a sperm doner and be done with it. At least then you don't have to deal with someone else who you CLEARLY don't like / have any sort of future with. If you have the capacity and the means to support a baby by yourself then just do it by yourself. You have no idea the mess you'll be getting into having a child with someone who then has just as much right as you to decide how that child is raised. He doesn't sound
Like someone I'd want choosing how my child is raised.

Chocolate123 · 18/11/2020 11:25

Definitely don't have a child with this man. I'm no expert but is there not a doner route available?

ZooKeeper19 · 18/11/2020 12:00

@youvegottenminuteslynn and @TinyVictories and also @Marlieandme82 - sorry, yes, you are right (I missed the DV part).

While I am all for your own choices having a baby with a man who abused you in any way will lead to a lot more abuse so no.

Leave him, look into alternatives for a baby.

I agree with what was said about him abusing both you and the child for years to come, and it will become unbearable very quickly.

Get rid, leave and never look back.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/11/2020 12:19

As someone adopted I really wish people wouldn't suggested it as some sort of simple fallback option...

It's incredibly hard to adopt and just because a child is in need of a forever home it doesn't mean they deserve to be put in a situation where they are patented by someone who only wants a baby for the sake of having a baby.

Being a parent is about putting the child first and at the moment OP is not displaying maturity or decision making that would be beneficial to a child.

She needs time to recover, heal and think about her reasons for wanting to bring a life into this world through natural birth or protect a life already in this world through adoption before even thinking about TTC or becoming a parent through any other channels.

OhCaptain · 18/11/2020 13:00

Not one person said adoption was easy or a fallback.