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Break up nightmare

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Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 09:06

Hi

This is a long one so if you have time grab a tea or better still a glass of wine & strap in! Thank you in advance for even bothering to read.
So firstly I’m older than most here, 45, I do have children but they’re grown up now.
2 years ago I started a new relationship with a seemingly lovely guy. As a whole it’s been wonderful but I have to admit I’ve made most of the concessions. Prior to living together we would alternate nights but then 7/8 months in his lodger left & as he has an elderly dog he was no longer able to stay at mine. So it was always me going to him which was a huge compromise because my house was nicer, cleaner, dog free etc! I was always rushing from one house to another & at times I did resent it. However we’d decided to move in together at Easter & as mine was rented I gave it up. We actually ended up bringing the move forward so we could lockdown together.
Our plan was to put his house on the market & buy a place together.
The transition was tough.
Lockdown- me working from home all the time, I’m struggling

Lockdown for him - still commuting in a very stressful environment
I’m going through the menopause & have lost my confidence completely
Trying to live together with very different living styles
Both wanting to be king of the castle at times.
The dog is now incontinent & SH*ts in the house most days (he recently started urinating too)! 🤢
We had some tough conversations & at one point I considered moving out again. However we pushed through & I kept focusing on the future, new house, no dog!
Hand on heart we weren’t arguing all the time, we’ve had 3 arguments since March. We disagree on things at times but generally sort quickly. We were not shouty, confrontational types.
Our move has been put on hold because we can’t move with an incontinent dog. We want open plan & the logistics of confining the mess wouldn’t work. So 2 weeks ago he told me he had a plan. In the new place he wants an outhouse/Man cave and his plan was that the dog could sleep out there & be in there during the day this meaning no mess in the house! I didn’t agree this was a good plan, the dog hated being outside & so would just cry and my ex would not let him cry. I felt like we’d end up stuck with a lovely( expensive ) new house literally being ruined by his dog. The dog is nearly 13 & I feel it’s time to start thinking about letting him go.
So his response to me not agreeing was to say we won’t be moving till 2022 as he feels the dog has another 18 months! & I retaliated by saying that in 2021 I was moving with or without him ( I should not have said this but I was angry & fed up of our life being dictated by a dog)..
the following day I discussed with a friend & she said I should acknowledge he was trying to find a compromise and just go for it. So I messaged him at work and we chatted, I said I still had some concerns but if we could talk through those & agree some boundaries then I’d be open to the plan. He was really happy & we seemed to be back on track.

However unbeknown to me, in his anger, insecurity, whatever the previous night he’d messaged some former colleague via LinkedIn & started chatting to her 🤷‍♀️.. she’s 28! The next day he tells me he’s going for a drink after work the following week which I think is odd because A) he never goes out after work & B) he works in London which was in tier 2 at that point. I asked who with & he said ‘Dave’... claiming he was a former colleague that he’d not seen for years. Alarm bells rang but then he so affectionate & making short term- date night & long term- holiday in February plans with me I thought I was being paranoid. So I left it but at the weekend I asked him if he still intended to go & he said he was playing by ear but then did the classic liar action of over telling, he started going on about this David guy & that’s when I knew 100% he was lying. So, I’m not proud of this, I checked his phone. And my worst fears were confirmed. He was telling her she was very pretty, was looking forward to seeing her etc etc.
Are you still there? Do you need a comfort break?
I confronted him, firstly I tried to suggest it was just gut instinct that made me think he was lying. He denied it obvs, then he said ok it’s a women but she’s a friend but I thought you’d be weird about it, I’m not like that- I have coffee with male colleagues. So I had to admit to looking at his phone & then he broke down & admitting it but said it wasn’t cheating as they hadn’t had sex!
What happened next I’m unclear on as I think I was just so shocked. I tried to talk to him, he just kept trying to remove himself, finally he said he was going to go & walk the dog & I said well I won’t be here when you get back. I think he thought I was bluffing, I wasn’t. I packed a bag & left.
I knew he wouldn’t beg me to come back, it’s not his style. He’s told me this before. He had an awful childhood is is quite damaged & has developed coping methods which are frankly toxic. I was so angry that a few days later I got removal people to take all of my furniture in to storage. I sort of regret not taking a breather now.

Anyway, after all of this, after him telling me how sorry he is, how much he’s let me down etc etc he still went on the date! Because he said if we’re not together he may as well..
now the dust has settled, I know I wasn’t happy with our living situation & will never live in that house or with his dog again but I was open to maybe slowly recovering while living apart. This week we’ve been tentatively talking & had agreed to meet in a month. However I asked for complete honesty & he confessed he’d seen this girl a 2nd time & they’d had sex 😪. So that’s that. He says he has been unfaithful because we’re not together.
I don’t even know what I’m looking for here. Our time together had been more good than bad & I feel this incident is a reflection of the issues he has, but am I kidding myself? Should I just keep walking in opposite direction? I love him, I can’t help it but I also hate him for treating me so poor. I really do not deserve this. It feels like such a waste!
Thanks for taking the time to read xx

OP posts:
Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 12:49

@GrumpiestCat

It sounds like hard work for both of you and 2 years in it really shouldn't be that much aggro. Sounds like he had enough of the stress and checked out of the relationship and you're resentful about various things such as having to come round him, wait for your new house, dog etc so yep that's the end of that. He was wrong to lie of course but let this one go and find something more harmonious. And you're not remotely old for mumsnet I expect majority of posters are 40s actually.
The only reason I posted was because it wasn’t always hard, it was mainly very lovely. We had ups n downs but it was pretty good. That’s why I was so shocked.
OP posts:
category12 · 08/11/2020 12:50

It's not wasteful, you discovered that he will go straight off and shag someone else in rough times. You could have found that out a few years down the road after buying a house together.

You're dodging a bullet if you make an end of it here.

MonroeM · 08/11/2020 12:51

After attempting to read all replies I did skip over many but get the gist of the response to this awful story.

I think the OP should put this man in her past. I doubt it would never work out well now even if they did give it another go.

As for the poor dog, you know if a human has bowel problems they usually go to the pharmacy or doctor and get treatments. Yes believe it or not that is the normal steps taken to cure or relieve symptoms. An animal which shits all over needs a vet appointment and fast! Has the guy in this story not thought of that? Just because an animal is elderly does not mean it can not be treated for abdominal problems. I had a dog which did exactly what was described and it was an allergy to certain pet foods/ingredients. After trial and error the right food was found and the problem disappeared!

So, leave him for good and tell him to fuck off for not looking after his dog properly. He may love his pet but he is not a responsible owner.

His sneaky lies re the "Dave" bit mean in my view that he will likely cheat again, whether you or he believe it was cheating or not.

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 12:52

@Bluntness100

Op, Now it’s all about you doing your best for the dog? Because you care? Now there is back tracking and there is back tracking

Look he’s moved on, he’s met someone else. He’s clearly got options, ans I’m sure options with women who don’t wish him to kill his dog.

Whatever. I’m sure you must get something from being cruel to people online. I’m not pretending to be a dog person or even to like the dog but I took care of his needs in the week because I was in the house. I was never unkind to him.
OP posts:
Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 12:57

@MonroeM

After attempting to read all replies I did skip over many but get the gist of the response to this awful story.

I think the OP should put this man in her past. I doubt it would never work out well now even if they did give it another go.

As for the poor dog, you know if a human has bowel problems they usually go to the pharmacy or doctor and get treatments. Yes believe it or not that is the normal steps taken to cure or relieve symptoms. An animal which shits all over needs a vet appointment and fast! Has the guy in this story not thought of that? Just because an animal is elderly does not mean it can not be treated for abdominal problems. I had a dog which did exactly what was described and it was an allergy to certain pet foods/ingredients. After trial and error the right food was found and the problem disappeared!

So, leave him for good and tell him to fuck off for not looking after his dog properly. He may love his pet but he is not a responsible owner.

His sneaky lies re the "Dave" bit mean in my view that he will likely cheat again, whether you or he believe it was cheating or not.

The dog has been to the vet many, many times. There is nothing more that can be done. His back legs are going to due to a spine issue, he’s got kidney failure & cushings which the vet has said isn’t worth treating because the treatment would be worse than the time it would buy him. He’s not an irresponsible owner but is blind to how bad the situation is. He keeps saying he jokes the dog just dies in his sleep so that he doesn’t have to make the decision.
OP posts:
namechangeforfriday · 08/11/2020 12:59

Given the update about the dog’s health it does seem he was wilfully blind to its suffering but in initial posts you did seem to resent the dog. Either way, as I said, him seeing this other woman was a dick move and I wouldn’t take him back after that

MonroeM · 08/11/2020 13:03

I apologise if I got this wrong and that is what happens if I don't read all replies so if it was mentioned in previous posts then I obviously missed it.

The time may come in the near future that he accepts the best thing is to say goodbye to his pet but I just hope (as a life long pet lover myself) that he does not let the dog suffer and drag it's life out in pain. It is an awful thing to take a pet to the vet for it's last day of life and the guilt is horrendous.

Back to the man though, just move on and you say you love him but I speak from experience, love sometimes is not enough. Loving him is making you unhappy!

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 13:04

@namechangeforfriday

Given the update about the dog’s health it does seem he was wilfully blind to its suffering but in initial posts you did seem to resent the dog. Either way, as I said, him seeing this other woman was a dick move and I wouldn’t take him back after that
Honestly I do resent the dog. I know it’s not rational but it’s just how it is. However, I’m not a horrible person & I have never been unkind to him. I probably gave the impression that the dog was healthy other than the toilet issue- he’s not.
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dingdongdoo · 08/11/2020 13:07

@Bluntness100

Op, Now it’s all about you doing your best for the dog? Because you care? Now there is back tracking and there is back tracking

Look he’s moved on, he’s met someone else. He’s clearly got options, ans I’m sure options with women who don’t wish him to kill his dog.

I get the feeling the dog is important to you

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 13:09

@MonroeM

I apologise if I got this wrong and that is what happens if I don't read all replies so if it was mentioned in previous posts then I obviously missed it.

The time may come in the near future that he accepts the best thing is to say goodbye to his pet but I just hope (as a life long pet lover myself) that he does not let the dog suffer and drag it's life out in pain. It is an awful thing to take a pet to the vet for it's last day of life and the guilt is horrendous.

Back to the man though, just move on and you say you love him but I speak from experience, love sometimes is not enough. Loving him is making you unhappy!

It’s fine, your comments are fair and valid.

Removing the dog situation from this conversation and it would still be a case that he cheated on me because we had a minor disagreement & wanted to punish me. Sadly everyone is right, how on earth do you come back from that! x

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 08/11/2020 13:13

I think if you consider his texting the other woman as cheating. Then yes he cheated

If you consider him sleeping with her, after you moved out and had your furniture removed, then no I don’t think this is cheating.

Dingdong yes, I don’t support killing animals due to them becoming difficult.

Nanny0gg · 08/11/2020 13:15

To be fair, it seems like the kindest thing is to have the dog PTS however hard that is. It's losing its dignity and quality of life.

But the bloke looks for alternatives the second things get rocky. And we all know about the 'But we were on a break...' scenario too.

Sadly, you're better off without him OP. I do hope he finds someone to care for the dog though, if you're not around. Sad

Anxiousannie32 · 08/11/2020 13:16

Come on @Bluntness100 you're going a bit far now. What are you getting from this? Op seems to have cared for the dog and considered its needs a lot more than it's poor excuse for an owner.

Your comments are really cruel and unnecessary.

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 13:21

@Anxiousannie32

Come on *@Bluntness100* you're going a bit far now. What are you getting from this? Op seems to have cared for the dog and considered its needs a lot more than it's poor excuse for an owner.

Your comments are really cruel and unnecessary.

Thank you x
OP posts:
tara66 · 08/11/2020 13:26

No cat involved then?

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 13:33

@tara66

No cat involved then?
I made him get rid of the cat before I moved in... this is a joke by the way 😬.. no cat, sorry I’ll try next time! x
OP posts:
Miranda15110 · 08/11/2020 13:36

@Bluntness100

Gosh, honestly if you’d suggested killing my dog because it’s in continent I’d have ended it immediately.

I think he’s the one who should keep running op.

Totally agree, cold, callous and not someone I'd want to live with. He's had a lucky escape.
Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 13:44

OMG sorry i should’ve listed the dogs medical history in my first post as I didn’t realise it would be interpreted like this! The dog, a lab is 13 ( not far off), so quite old for a lab, he’s unwell & I, his mum & his vet have all said soon he will need to decide how good the quality of his life is. I HAVE/HAD AGREED TO PUT OUR MOVE ON HOLD SO HE COULD GIVE THE DOG THE TIME HE HAS LEFT BUT THAT TIME IS NOT UNTIL 2022 REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH HE WISHES IT WAS.
So stop judging me & calling me cold/callous, I’m many thing but neither of those.
You on the other hand are a cyber bully/keyboard warrior who probably has a be kind image on their profile whilst sending cruel messages to strangers.

OP posts:
Justcause233 · 08/11/2020 13:49

OP, some of the responses you have had are bang out of order, and I'm a dog lover! I think they are two separate issue which you have recognised yourself. I would feel exactly as you do in these circumstances, he moved on and slept with another woman he had started chatting up when you were together. He may or may not be cheating, but he definitely is not the man for you. You deserve to be with someone who isn't going to screw you over at the first sign of trouble.

Flowers , xxxx

tara66 · 08/11/2020 13:58

OP don't be upset about all the judgements re. dog. It is unwell that's clear. You were the person cleaning up all the mess the poor thing made. Of course you hated it. No one would want to do that. It wasn't your dog anyway. Is the new GF going to do it now? ...When one thinks of all the real cruelty that does go on in the world to animals - don't worry about the comments on here.

Whatisthisfuckery · 08/11/2020 14:13

My god, there’s some utter madness on this thread. It’s not the dog that is the issue, it’s the fact that as soon as they have a row he immediately went off and fucked someone else. They probably could and would have come to some sort of agreement over the dog, which BTW the OP has been doing the majority of caring for, but no, instead of dealing with a disagreement like a mature adult, his dick started twitching at the opportunity and he went straight for seeking out sex with other women.

OP ignore this stupidity. You’re probably right, the dog sounds like it’s on its last legs and doesn’t sound like it’s long for this world either way. I would rather wait to move house than have th carpets ruined by dog shit and piss as well, there’s nothing remotely unreasonable in anything you’ve said.

I’m sorry that what you thought was a good long term relationship wasn’t what you thought it was, but be glad you’ve found out now rather than further down the line when it’s harder to get out. A person who can’t deal with conflict and who immediately goes for the comfort in somebody elses bed option is really not a person you need in your life.

Exfactor48 · 08/11/2020 14:16

Thanks x

OP posts:
mrscampbellblackagain · 08/11/2020 14:37

Let's not forget on mn some posters would save their dog from a burning building over a small child Wink

@Exfactor48 some posters have been unnecessarily unkind but I have noticed that on a lot of threads today - must be lockdown bringing out all the meanies.

Hope you feel better soon and remember he showed you very clearly who he was as soon as he messaged the other woman after your argument. You are grieving for the best version of him not the actual person he is.

AiryFairyMum · 08/11/2020 14:40

I think you know you were unfair to try to push him into making decisions based on what was more convenient for you, not what was better for the dog. Yes, the dog may not have long to go, like some of us have old/ill family members, but we wouldn't want our partners putting time limits on how long the process could/should take.
If if was my dog, I'd have ended the relationship with you as this clearly wasn't going to work out.
But his decision to start a new relationship while yours was not fully finished was wrong too, so I'd say you're quits and both move on.

MintyMabel · 08/11/2020 14:51

You asked him to chose between you (who he’s known for 2 years) or a dog he’s had for over a decade. He chose the dog.

Move on.