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Final straw and I'm ending it today but I'm just so sad about it.

98 replies

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:28

I started a thread about my relationship last weekend. The advice was all good - largely that I should talk to him about it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4035084-He-doesnt-love-me-Stay-or-go-WWYD

I didn't have chance to speak to him during the week so I thought I'd wait and see how the weekend played out.

And this is how it has gone.

I arrived at his on Friday evening after an awful week at work. I was exhausted and emotionally drained. He asked how my day had been. I said that it hadn't been great and had cried 3 times at work which is very unlike me. I said I'd spoken to a colleague at the end of the day (as an explanation for arriving at his a bit late) and he said, "oh good. So you've offloaded already. Not that I don't want to hear about it..." but he didn't want to hear about it.

Last night, we went out with friends. We arrived at the pub and he made a quip about my parking along the lines of, "no, it's fine, why take one parking space when you can take up two". I said it was fine and told him to get out and check. I was within the lines but the angle was a bit squiffy. So he 'supposed' it was the perfect parking for someone who drives a convertible.

We got into the pub and he pretty much ignored me. I felt uncomfortable all night and realised it was because the last time we'd seen these friends, he'd made an 'innocent' comment afterwards about me talking too much.

I went outside for a smoke and there were 3 early 20s lads out there who were clearly a bit tipsy. One came over and started chatting to me. He said my boyfriend was a lucky man and earnestly told me I was beautiful several times in that way that drunk lads do 🙄 I told him that, at 45, I was old enough to be his mother and to have a good night. But it made me feel a bit sad to realise that, in the year we've been together, my boyfriend has never told me that or complimented me very much at all really.

I got back inside and there was another mutual friend standing at our table (in a mask of course). Haven't seen him for months. He was telling my boyfriend how lucky he was to be with me, that I'm beautiful, lovely and a keeper etc. I just felt embarrassed and shame at him saying it because I know that isn't how this man sees or feels about me at all.

One of the women asked how work was going and how we were managing with the covid restrictions (which have been why work was so difficult last week). I gave her a brief overview as much as anything because I wanted him to hear just how bad it had been. He said nothing. She was appalled by what she heard (and rightly so) and said at least I had a sympathetic ear and indicated him. I said nothing. But I realised that he just doesn't care.

We got home and chatted for a bit. He described an experience that made him understand why women don't appreciate compliments from random men and we talked about that for a while. He told me that he has often offered compliments to random strangers but wouldn't again. He said that only last week he saw a woman in the supermarket who had "the most amazing hair" he'd ever seen and so he'd told her so. He said he wasn't trying to hit on her but had just thought something nice about her and so wanted to tell her. All I can take from that is that he never thinks anything nice about me given that he doesn't compliments me. I mean, he's told me a few times I look nice before a night out and that my hair looks nice when I've straightened it but that's not a lot in a year when he felt compelled to approach a complete stranger last week.

I was just feeling pretty shit by then so went to sit in another room on my own for a bit. He said he was going up to hed and he'd see me soon and kissed me before he went up. Again, I realised it was the first time he'd kissed me since I arrived the previous day. I sat with my thoughts for a while before going up to bed.

I lay on my back next to him. Normally, I'm quite affectionate but obviously wasn't feeling it. He put his arm around me for a while as usual and then he placed his hand on my stomach for a while and, again, I realised that it was months since he'd done that.

I'm at his now and about to start working. I'm going to talk to him when he wakes and end it.

Sorry for chapter and verse, I just needed to get it out and I need to hear that there isn't an alternative, reasonable, excusable explanation for any of this.

I also think that I want to explain but also think he'll just boil it down to me overreacting, being needy and upset that he said something nice to someone else when it's none of those things.

Thanks.

OP posts:
ohnonora · 04/10/2020 09:31

I hope you manage to make today as easy as it can be given the circumstances.

Theluggagerules · 04/10/2020 09:34

If he doesn't make you feel wanted and happy to be with him, there's no point. You don't have to listen to excuses, just tell him it isn't working for you and go

Hazelnutlatteplease · 04/10/2020 09:38

You can end something just because it's not bringing you joy

HollowTalk · 04/10/2020 09:38

I would just get up and go, tbh. Why do this when he decides to wake up? Go now and write to him.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:39

I think the sad thing is that this man is well liked and is very loving, compassionate, supportive and encouraging to his friends and strangers. But I seem to have slipped through the net completely.

I asked him for some help assembling something a couple of months ago. It would have taken an hour max and he eventually agreed but very reluctantly after suggesting my 14 year old daughter could help and I explained why the weight/size of it would be prohibitive. Yet, last night, one of the women (who's been a close friend for many years) said her pregnant daughter and her partner were moving house and he offered to help out if necessary and she knew he was only ever at the end of the phone. The juxtaposition of the two responses really stood out.

I can't help but wonder if it is just me. He was in a previous relationship.for 10 years so i can only assume he hasn't been like this with previous girlfriends. It is just me.

The parking quip is the sort of thing I normally wouldn't be upset by but I realised that there are a number of these jokey critical comments with none of the positive.

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HollowTalk · 04/10/2020 09:39

And tell him that you have gone off him, that you no longer feel anything for him. Don't tell him you think he's gone off you.

Tappering · 04/10/2020 09:42

I don't think you need to explain anything to him. Just tell him that the relationship isn't working and that you aren't suited to each other.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:44

I would just get up and go, tbh. Why do this when he decides to wake up? Go now and write to him

I've thought about doing that and, honestly, would find it easier but I can't help but I dont know if I could.

Amd so final and we have so many mutual friends, I feel the need to try and at least be reasonable about it. We won't easily be able to avoid each other in future.

OP posts:
Isadora2007 · 04/10/2020 09:44

I don’t understand why you couldn’t discuss the issues as you were talking about them- when he said about random men and compliments you could have said what you posted here about the young lad or the friends comments. Or asked him about why he didn’t compliment you? Or mentioning the kiss thing when it happened?

Often relationships break down because of the unsaid- not what is said. And yours seems to also be this case. I’d reflect on that for moving onto future relationships because as much as he doesn’t sound like a catch, you sound like you hold back a lot and don’t say things you should.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:46

And tell him that you have gone off him, that you no longer feel anything for him. Don't tell him you think he's gone off you.

I guess I just want him to know how rude and insensitive he's been and not just feel himself as the 'victim's.

He won't like to think of himself as having hurt someone.

OP posts:
ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:49

Isadora2007

I didn't say anything because I just felt shame at how little regard he has for me Sad and I generally avoid conflict.

I suppose those are the things I want to say to him this morning.

Besides, it was late when we were talking and i really didn't want to hear the responses last night knowing we'd have to share a bed.

OP posts:
ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:50

I wanted to.process.my thoughts because all he's going to hear is "I'm needy and want you to validates me".

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Carrotgirl87 · 04/10/2020 09:51

I think you're giving the reasons too much headspace to be honest, each little thing that happened is being overanalysed. In reality if you've decided it's over, let it all go, and give yourself a break.

Telling him each and every thing he's done wrong and how you feel won't give you the satisfaction you expect it to. You don't have to justify your decision, Just a swift, this isn't working, and then go and spend some time taking care of yourselfThanks

JamieLeeCurtains · 04/10/2020 09:52

I think it's fair enough to say that you find his behaviour odd and hurtful, and not what you are looking for in a relationship, so you've decided to go back to being just good friends.

Sort of gets all your messages across, OP ^^

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:53

I don't want to just say I've changed my mind about the relationship because that suggests I've just gone off him. Whilst that's, sadly, true, I want him to know that it's because of his behaviour and the way he is towards me and not allow him the luxury of feeling hard done by.

He has some physical characteristics that he feels have held him back where women are concerned and I dont want him to be able to dismiss me as just another shallow woman.

OP posts:
AskEvans · 04/10/2020 09:53

When you wrote your previous thread I was thinking give it time as a couple who are friends of mine who are just about to get married, it took him 2 and a half years to say he loved her even though he had been saying it from a few months into the relationship. He was just very cautious. He now loves her endlessly and has said he doesn't know what he would do without her.
Having read this thread, I would say possibly dump but...was he just in a bad mood when you tried to offload? Did you ask him about his day? You said it was the first time he'd kissed you since the previous day...had you tried to kiss him at all prior to that or greet him with a hug? Had you put your arm around him in bed or was just waiting for him to do it? I'm just wondering how much affection you show him or you just always wait for him to do it? Do you give him compliments? It's a possibility he might feel unappreciated by you and that's why he is off with you sometimes?

gamerchick · 04/10/2020 09:55

I get the sense you want your pound of flesh first.

This hasn't worked from the off but you have it a year. You think falling in love is something that 'just happens' and all love hearts and explosions. It really isn't. If that's something you're expecting to happen then it may never.

Just tell him that it isn't working and you're calling it a day, that it's been fun sometimes but ultimately it's not enough for you. Wish him well, that you'll see him around and make sure you take any bits home you've left there.

There's no need for all energy you're putting into it. The fact you want him to know how much he's hurt you says you probably do love him.

Carrotgirl87 · 04/10/2020 09:55

I always find listing a load of things they've done wrong or behaved badly with gives them more of a victim status and sympathy card to be honest, whereas saying less will mean he has to analyse his own behaviour and he will likely come to the conclusion he could've done better, but if you give him a barrage of reasons he will more likely be defensive and play wounded soldier. Just my take on it though x

PullTheBricksDown · 04/10/2020 09:56

I would tell him about the moving house vs. his reluctance to help you assemble something realisation, and say it's made you see this isn't enough and you aren't a priority for him. That steers it away from the aspect of compliments to other women's hair and all that.

skeletonbones · 04/10/2020 09:57

@ColdLeatherSofa

I think the sad thing is that this man is well liked and is very loving, compassionate, supportive and encouraging to his friends and strangers. But I seem to have slipped through the net completely.

I asked him for some help assembling something a couple of months ago. It would have taken an hour max and he eventually agreed but very reluctantly after suggesting my 14 year old daughter could help and I explained why the weight/size of it would be prohibitive. Yet, last night, one of the women (who's been a close friend for many years) said her pregnant daughter and her partner were moving house and he offered to help out if necessary and she knew he was only ever at the end of the phone. The juxtaposition of the two responses really stood out.

I can't help but wonder if it is just me. He was in a previous relationship.for 10 years so i can only assume he hasn't been like this with previous girlfriends. It is just me.

The parking quip is the sort of thing I normally wouldn't be upset by but I realised that there are a number of these jokey critical comments with none of the positive.

Hi Coldleathersofa,

It isnt just you. How he behaves in private is the real him that you have had the unfortunate experience of getting to know, the public face of 'lovely Bob, helps you move and compliments a strangers hair' is fake/approval seeking bullshit. You get a big praise payoff and a load of fussing round if you help a friend from the pub move 'oh thanks sooo much, you're a hero! here let me make you some dinner' and so on, where as helping your partner build a flat pack is normal couple stuff worthy of a thanks not a load of gushing.

I had a bloke like this a few years ago, his best friend told me at one point 'it's sad, strangers get the best of him, family gets fuck all' summed him up exactly. Loads of examples but the ones that stick out are leaving me stranded a home with no transport to get to hospital when I was ill and needed to go... to rush to the aid of a female friend who needed a tip run!!

Tappering · 04/10/2020 09:58

@gamerchick

I get the sense you want your pound of flesh first.

This hasn't worked from the off but you have it a year. You think falling in love is something that 'just happens' and all love hearts and explosions. It really isn't. If that's something you're expecting to happen then it may never.

Just tell him that it isn't working and you're calling it a day, that it's been fun sometimes but ultimately it's not enough for you. Wish him well, that you'll see him around and make sure you take any bits home you've left there.

There's no need for all energy you're putting into it. The fact you want him to know how much he's hurt you says you probably do love him.

Harsh but fair - I agree with this.

You want a show down with him because you want him to be hurt in exchange for how he's made you feel. That's hardly going to leave things on reasonable terms if you both have mutual friends in common.

Techway · 04/10/2020 09:58

I think it's him not you.

I suspect he can't have deep and genuine connections. The offer of help to others isn't a reflection of you but more how he wants others to perceive him. His lack of compliments are because he enjoys keeping you feeling insecure, whilst he randomly makes positive comments to strangers...and tells you about it.

I think you should end it as he is damaging your self esteem.

Did he have a distant relationship with his parents, mother?

TheStoic · 04/10/2020 10:01

It’s clear from how you write that you are desperate for him to tell you you’re wrong and that he’ll change.

He won’t change. You know that. As a PP said, you need to tell him that you’ve gone off him. Because you have, haven’t you? The way he treats you is very unattractive, to put it mildly.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 04/10/2020 10:01

If you've got mutual friends least said the better.

You might feel his behaviour has been hurtful but he might not agree and the mutual friends might have an entirely different perspective. The more acrimonious the split the harder it is on the mutual friends and more unpredictable they become. If they want the friendship group to continue its highly likely they remain friendliest with whoever make that easiest for them.

"It's very sad but its not working for me" has its merits.

CosyAcorn · 04/10/2020 10:02

@Carrotgirl87

I always find listing a load of things they've done wrong or behaved badly with gives them more of a victim status and sympathy card to be honest, whereas saying less will mean he has to analyse his own behaviour and he will likely come to the conclusion he could've done better, but if you give him a barrage of reasons he will more likely be defensive and play wounded soldier. Just my take on it though x
This with bells on! If you talk to him and feel like you have created an airtight case against him, he will get defensive and dismissive. If you feel like you want to say it, then do, but do it with no expectations that he will accept or agree.

If he says you are being needy, then you can agree. You need more from the relationship than he is willing or able to give. Therefore you will both be better off of you break up.

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