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Final straw and I'm ending it today but I'm just so sad about it.

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ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 09:28

I started a thread about my relationship last weekend. The advice was all good - largely that I should talk to him about it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4035084-He-doesnt-love-me-Stay-or-go-WWYD

I didn't have chance to speak to him during the week so I thought I'd wait and see how the weekend played out.

And this is how it has gone.

I arrived at his on Friday evening after an awful week at work. I was exhausted and emotionally drained. He asked how my day had been. I said that it hadn't been great and had cried 3 times at work which is very unlike me. I said I'd spoken to a colleague at the end of the day (as an explanation for arriving at his a bit late) and he said, "oh good. So you've offloaded already. Not that I don't want to hear about it..." but he didn't want to hear about it.

Last night, we went out with friends. We arrived at the pub and he made a quip about my parking along the lines of, "no, it's fine, why take one parking space when you can take up two". I said it was fine and told him to get out and check. I was within the lines but the angle was a bit squiffy. So he 'supposed' it was the perfect parking for someone who drives a convertible.

We got into the pub and he pretty much ignored me. I felt uncomfortable all night and realised it was because the last time we'd seen these friends, he'd made an 'innocent' comment afterwards about me talking too much.

I went outside for a smoke and there were 3 early 20s lads out there who were clearly a bit tipsy. One came over and started chatting to me. He said my boyfriend was a lucky man and earnestly told me I was beautiful several times in that way that drunk lads do 🙄 I told him that, at 45, I was old enough to be his mother and to have a good night. But it made me feel a bit sad to realise that, in the year we've been together, my boyfriend has never told me that or complimented me very much at all really.

I got back inside and there was another mutual friend standing at our table (in a mask of course). Haven't seen him for months. He was telling my boyfriend how lucky he was to be with me, that I'm beautiful, lovely and a keeper etc. I just felt embarrassed and shame at him saying it because I know that isn't how this man sees or feels about me at all.

One of the women asked how work was going and how we were managing with the covid restrictions (which have been why work was so difficult last week). I gave her a brief overview as much as anything because I wanted him to hear just how bad it had been. He said nothing. She was appalled by what she heard (and rightly so) and said at least I had a sympathetic ear and indicated him. I said nothing. But I realised that he just doesn't care.

We got home and chatted for a bit. He described an experience that made him understand why women don't appreciate compliments from random men and we talked about that for a while. He told me that he has often offered compliments to random strangers but wouldn't again. He said that only last week he saw a woman in the supermarket who had "the most amazing hair" he'd ever seen and so he'd told her so. He said he wasn't trying to hit on her but had just thought something nice about her and so wanted to tell her. All I can take from that is that he never thinks anything nice about me given that he doesn't compliments me. I mean, he's told me a few times I look nice before a night out and that my hair looks nice when I've straightened it but that's not a lot in a year when he felt compelled to approach a complete stranger last week.

I was just feeling pretty shit by then so went to sit in another room on my own for a bit. He said he was going up to hed and he'd see me soon and kissed me before he went up. Again, I realised it was the first time he'd kissed me since I arrived the previous day. I sat with my thoughts for a while before going up to bed.

I lay on my back next to him. Normally, I'm quite affectionate but obviously wasn't feeling it. He put his arm around me for a while as usual and then he placed his hand on my stomach for a while and, again, I realised that it was months since he'd done that.

I'm at his now and about to start working. I'm going to talk to him when he wakes and end it.

Sorry for chapter and verse, I just needed to get it out and I need to hear that there isn't an alternative, reasonable, excusable explanation for any of this.

I also think that I want to explain but also think he'll just boil it down to me overreacting, being needy and upset that he said something nice to someone else when it's none of those things.

Thanks.

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VettiyaIruken · 04/10/2020 10:03

Are you hoping that he'll beg you to stay, tell you you're his everything and promise to change?

If not, just leave. If you want to end it. End it.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 10:05

AskEvans

Those are fair and reasonable questions. I always kiss him when I see him. I didn't on Friday. I suppose I subconsciously wanted to see whether he would. He asked me about my day first. We always ask about each other's day and I still asked about his afterwards and we talked about it for a while. He's had a couple of issues to deal with and I was supportive about those.

I initiate all hugs, kisses and general affection. I often put my arms around him from behind when he's making dinner, which he likes, and he's told me i hug and kiss him etc any time I like. I always put my arm around him in bed. I suspect that the reason he put his hand on me was because it was the first time I hadn't. He's never rejected me. He always responds positively but very rarely initiates. We put a film on on Friday night and he was physically affectionate then, as usual - arm around me and stroking my leg - but he is never verbally affectionate.

I used to compliment him a lot but it kind of trailed off when I realised it was a one way street. I do still compliment him but not as often. It just felt like compliments weren't part of our relationship and I started to feel a bit awkward.

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anotherdisaster · 04/10/2020 10:11

I agree with the others. You don't have to go into details because I guarantee he just won't get it anyway. Just tell him you're not getting what you need out of the relationship anymore.

pumpkinpie01 · 04/10/2020 10:13

He isn't making you happy simple as that you need no other reason to end it than that.

Isadora2007 · 04/10/2020 10:13

His public persona isn’t his real one. And he has issues that he isn’t addressing. You’re also avoiding issues so you’re not a good fit- even IF he says you’re needy, that’s his right to believe that of you. Doesn’t make it true.

tornadoalley · 04/10/2020 10:13

Stop focusing on what he will say to you, how he will turn it and make it about you and your shortcomings. Focus on the fact you are living in an emotional desert and you just want out.

AskEvans · 04/10/2020 10:24

@ColdLeatherSofa

AskEvans

Those are fair and reasonable questions. I always kiss him when I see him. I didn't on Friday. I suppose I subconsciously wanted to see whether he would. He asked me about my day first. We always ask about each other's day and I still asked about his afterwards and we talked about it for a while. He's had a couple of issues to deal with and I was supportive about those.

I initiate all hugs, kisses and general affection. I often put my arms around him from behind when he's making dinner, which he likes, and he's told me i hug and kiss him etc any time I like. I always put my arm around him in bed. I suspect that the reason he put his hand on me was because it was the first time I hadn't. He's never rejected me. He always responds positively but very rarely initiates. We put a film on on Friday night and he was physically affectionate then, as usual - arm around me and stroking my leg - but he is never verbally affectionate.

I used to compliment him a lot but it kind of trailed off when I realised it was a one way street. I do still compliment him but not as often. It just felt like compliments weren't part of our relationship and I started to feel a bit awkward.

In that case I would say dump...he sounds like a cold fish
bitheby · 04/10/2020 10:25

I did read your other thread and I'm sure you're doing the right thing but it also sounds like a mismatch in love languages. How he expresses affection and how you like to receive it are different. If he doesn't really feel it though then this relationship will only make you miserable.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 10:28

Are you hoping that he'll beg you to stay, tell you you're his everything and promise to change?

No, not at all. It's sad but I want to be with someone who has genuine feelings for me. Not someone who has to make an effort and change in order to be nice to me.

I want to to be different but it isn't and that's how it is.

Stop focusing on what he will say to you, how he will turn it and make it about you and your shortcomings. Focus on the fact you are living in an emotional desert and you just want out.

That's true. I'm.just really sad about it.

I've taken on board the comments about not saying too much.

I dont want my 'pound of flesh'. I'm sad and wish it could have been different. I just feel i owe some sort of explanation. The whole, "It's just not working for me," response is fine for a few dates or a couple of months but most people want a reason after a year - whether it's that they're just not attractive enough, whether there's someone else or whether it's something they did etc.

I want to be wrong but I know I'm not.

I'm just sad.

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Techway · 04/10/2020 10:31

Just tell him that it isn't working and you're calling it a day, that it's been fun sometimes but ultimately it's not enough for you. Wish him well, that you'll see him around and make sure you take any bits home you've left there

This perfect, especially if you have joint friends.

Please don't debate with him as he has shown you that he can't reciprocate loving feelings and he will get defensive...he probably never connects to anyone, even in his 10 year relationship.

After a year you shouldn't be feeling like this and his failure to help you with flat pack, whilst supposedly in the honeymoon phase, highlights how incapable he is of being in an giving relationship. Don't assume everyone has similar mindset or values to you. The outside persona does not reflect the true nature of some people.

Move on before he causes you more pain.

Techway · 04/10/2020 10:34

Sadness is natural. Just don't let it persuade you to stay, hoping he will change.

I really think this is him and he will be the same in all relationships.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 10:59

Just tell him that it isn't working and you're calling it a day, that it's been fun sometimes but ultimately it's not enough for you. Wish him well, that you'll see him around and make sure you take any bits home you've left there

Yes, I can see how this would be a better way of approaching it.

I just don't know how to bring it up Sad

He told.me early on that he doesnt like 'neediness' in relationships - eg the need to be constantly in contact; or to be joined at the hip etc. Our mutual friends knew his long term partner and, by their account (he's never said a bad word about her), she was very 'vulnerable' and needed him. I think it was quite intense.

I'm not like that at all. I have my own friends and my own life and am very self sufficient.

But it seems that he defines 'neediness' as much more than most people would including affection and emotional connection in a relationship.

I'm just sad because it had the potential to be so good. And it just isn't.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 04/10/2020 11:03

But you can't live your life for the potential. Or the 'what ifs'.

He's not making you happy. Without one of you changing fundamentally, you will not make one another happy. One of you will always be thinking 'if only he/she would do/say this...'

It's hard leaving someone. Even someone you come to despise, because being with them has become a habit. You just have to break the fact that he's your habit.

For whatever reason you aren't a good couple. You sound fabulous, and he's probably right for a completely different type of person. You need something else.

Just tell him it's not working for you. If you must you can give a couple of examples of where you needed more from him than he could give. Then wish him well and go home and cry and eat chocolate. Then get yourself out, doing something, by yourself.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 11:09

There is one thing I know bothers him about me. And I suspect that this is part of it for him.

He's a professional musician. I play the same instrument as him but at a much lower level. I don't feel comfortable playing in front of him.

Someone asked last night if I had done and it's become a bit of a sore point over the months that I haven't. I think he feels that me doing so would be a sign of trust. He's probably right and I haven't because I haven't felt safe enough in the relationship to do so. He said last night that he'd been very encouraging about it. Which he has, including driving me some distance to buy a new instrument, but music is the most important thing in his life and I think it holds huge significance for him that I havent played in front of him.

It was suggested in the last thread that I should have allowed myself to be vulnerable with him. This is the only area in which I haven't really and, I suspect, the only one that holds any meaning for him.

But I'm not going to play in front of someone who can so easily criticise my parking when there's nothing wrong with it. Largely because there would be much for him to genuinely criticise about my playing!

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Ruby0707 · 04/10/2020 11:11

I had a boyfriend like this, we were together 3.5 years and it absolutely destroyed my self esteem.

Even when ending it, he said something clinical like 'ok, I respect your decision' and that was that.

You deserve more, get out of there.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 11:12

Zaphodsotherhead

Everything you said is right.

I've never ended a relationship when i still had feelings for the person before. I usually get pissed off and have no problems ending it.

This time is different.

It's not all bad - it never is - and that's hard. But emotionally, I know it isnt right for me.

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Longdistance · 04/10/2020 11:13

He will never change. He’s all show to his friends and isn’t capable as a decent partner in a relationship by the sounds of it.
I’d just walk out and not bother explaining, I doubt he’d be interested anyway.

ColdLeatherSofa · 04/10/2020 11:13

Even when ending it, he said something clinical like 'ok, I respect your decision' and that was that.

That's exactly what I can imagine him saying tbh Sad

Can't help but wonder if people like this do experience genuine emotions but can't express them.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 04/10/2020 11:28

Maybe he needs to be a rescuer. You don't need rescuing in his perception, you are quite able to sort yourself out. Or he doesn't know how to 'rescue' you. So he was fine with a 'vulnerable' girlfriend, who needed his input into all areas of her life and didn't know how to gainsay him, so he could sort of control how she did things?

But you are a very different person. He may say that he doesn't want or like needy people but he may not recognise the need in himself to rescue and have talked himself into thinking his previous girlfriend wasn't 'needy' she was 'fragile'. Two very different things in his mind.

Anyway, none of it matters. He's not good to, or for, you.

yetmorecrap · 04/10/2020 11:49

I don’t like neediness either and suspect I might appear to be a bit of a cold fish with men when it comes to anything physical, even though I’m a friendly sociable person. I wouldn’t over analyse every interaction OP, the fact is he doesn’t make you feel loved and secure and suffers from white knight syndrome with others but not with you-you probably make great friends but not great partners- it happens- it’s not you, it’s not even him, it’s the pairing that doesn’t work.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 04/10/2020 11:51

I’ve never sung in front of my DP of 8 years. I sing on my own a lot, and in front of my DCs, I was even part of a choir - although would never do a solo - the people all around me would hear me sing. But I just can’t let my guard down, and doubly so if he was a professional singer! So I totally get where you’re coming from on that.

If he’d been generally supportive and you knew he’d be kind, even if he didn’t think you were brilliant at it, I’d also say do it, be vulnerable etc. But he has form for being critical and making you feel bad, the parking being a case in point, but also the offloading remark etc, so he doesn’t make it emotionally safe for you to be vulnerable.

You sound miserable with him. And I know there will be good times too, but it will always be with a background of sadness that he’s not meeting your needs.

You’re clearly beautiful and lovely for strangers and friends to keep complimenting you. Get together with one of them instead, and start to believe that you’re worthy of being complimented.

NW2SW · 04/10/2020 12:06

Could be totally wrong, but he sounds intimidated by you, which explains the tough love. I don't blame you for choosing to leave.

blackcatgingercat · 04/10/2020 12:12

@Zaphodsotherhead is spot on!

Branleuse · 04/10/2020 12:13

youre completely right to dump him. He doesnt give a fuck. He cares more about impressing people he hardly knows than he does about the woman in front of him. Theres nothing wrong with you. Youre wasting your time. It will eat away at your self esteem if you stay. You deserve better

HumptyD · 04/10/2020 12:15

Good for you OP, also if you feel like you want to tell him why, then tell him. After a year together, It’s unlikely he’s going to say ok fine, he’s going to ask why isn’t he. You don’t have to go into long detail but it’s fine to say ‘you are the kindest most helpful and sympathetic person, just not to me.. you help others but act like it’s a chore if it’s for me, you don’t care about my day or being there for me, two lads in a pub have complimented me more in a night than you have in a year, but you compliment random women in supermarkets, you nit pick at me and any affection I have to initiative and to be honest I want someone who wants to do that stuff, not someone who just cuddles me back. I’m not looking for anything else out if this conversation, just for it to be the end. ‘ That’s ok to say, lord knows they would tell us every detail of where we went wrong if the shoe was on the other foot.