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I've been an idiot, and I don't know what to do now

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PotOfYoghurt · 26/06/2020 10:25

I'm an idiot. An immature idiot who's now fucking up someone else's life. If you read this and can help me straighten my thoughts out or just be someone who listens I would appreciate it. I don't know who to talk to or what to do. I will try and type everything so as not to drip feed.

A year ago I started seeing someone. He was very kind, attentive, a good listener. He apologised when he did something wrong and admitted he was at fault and made sure not to do it again. All good things, I thought.

I think I wilfully ignored all of the bad signs.

We moved too fast, together from the first date. I think looking back now I was so immature with relationships, starved for attention and due to horrendous low self esteem I ignored this typical red flag and chose instead to hope that we would be the exception to the rule, one of the couples you hear about who get engaged after two weeks and are happily married for 20 years.

He still lived at home at 28 and had everything done for him by his mum. I told him that if we were to have a serious relationship and move in together I wouldn't be doing anything like that and that it was very important to me to have an equal partner who took care of their share of things, and that I didn't want to be with a man child.

We moved in together after 6 months. Two months later I got pregnant due to a ripped condom. I took the MAP but must have already ovulated. We talked about me having a termination, but being in my late 20s and having issues with my ovaries and not even knowing if I would be able to conceive and carry a child I decided to continue with the pregnancy.

We've been living together since the new year and there's a regular pattern of him not doing anything around the house, anything, then I get upset and point it out and say it's not good enough and that I told him this wasn't what I wanted in a relationship, and then he gets upset at himself and promises to change and to try harder and he'll do a few things for a few days and then it stops again.

We've just had the same talk. I told him that these things never improve after a baby is born and only get worse, that we've had this conversation so many times but nothing has changed in six months, so how long am I supposed to keep waiting and hoping that things will change? I said that I didn't want to stay together hoping things improve only to break up in another year or so because nothing has changed.

He broke down and cried, and said he doesn't know why he does it and that it's not because he doesn't love me it's because he doesn't love himself.

I know he's struggling with a bit of depression and anxiety, his weight has just been going up and up since he had a bad breakup a few years ago. I suggested he try therapy and he's been going for a couple of months. He also has untreated sleep apnoea which was finally confirmed last week, which I told him he had when we first got together, and he's had blood tests last week to see if there's another reason he's always so tired/mentally fatigued. He said he almost hopes they say he has diabetes so there's a reason for the way he feels.

So I know physically he's not great, and mentally he's not great and that it all exacerbates each other, and I've tried to be patient and not get upset when he falls asleep when we're talking or when he can't remember anything I tell him, even important things, but the reason for his behaviour or how sorry he is doesn't change the effect it has on me, our relationship, and in the future, our child. I don't want my child to grow up and see that modelled as a way of how to behave in a relationship. Whether it's a boy or a girl it will grow up learning how to take care of yourself and how to take care of others.

He has many good qualities. He's very kind, and can be thoughtful and bring me home things I like to eat or flowers. He's gentle, and never raised his voice. He loves this baby very much, and gets very emotional whenever he looks at scan pictures etc.

I said this morning that I can't afford to stay in the UK and be a single parent. At least in London where we live. I've been furloughed since it came in, and I will have to quit my job once the baby is born as it's not something that's possible to continue to do. I have no family in this country. I said that the most sensible option is for me to go back to my home country where I have family support, and to go before the baby is born because no matter how kind he is now, things can always change after a breakup and he would be able to stop me leaving the country if the baby is born here. And then I would be trapped.

But I'm still fucking up this baby's life. It will grow up without two parents. He won't be able to see the baby for a long time after it's born because the borders are closed from CV19. He won't be able to get into the country. And even then, we live on opposite sides of the world with a very expensive flight in between us. He wouldn't be able to be a present father.

I want nothing more than for us to be together, as a family, and for things to work out. There is still, even now, a tiny part of me that is foolishly hoping this will be the catalyst he needs to change and to step up. But if it hasn't happened so far when will it? I feel like a stupid little girl blindly crossing her fingers.

I was stupid to let things move too fast, I was stupid to move in together so fast and to get pregnant so fast. None of this should've happened. I'm so angry at myself for letting myself get into this position. I never thought I would be here. This isn't how I wanted my life to be.

So I've fucked up, and now I've fucked up another human being's life who isn't even born yet. I don't know what advice I'm looking for, I just feel so overwhelmed and so heartbroken, and even if no one replies it was cathartic to write it down.

OP posts:
Nearlyalmost50 · 26/06/2020 13:33

I also think something beyond just talking about how annoyed you are about the mess is called for: I'd say, this is your absolutely last chance to show me you can look after the house in a way consistent with having a baby. Tell him you will leave if he doesn't step up. Tell him it is demeaning to get you to do everything and is basically like saying- you are the one that should clean up shit, dirt and mess in our house. I once did this with my husband and his enthusiasm for cleaning the toilet (after years of me moaning) stepped up.

Lay it on the line, and then, if you do that, and hope that his meds/Vit injections kick in (which won't be instant but should see some result in a month or two), then you will know better where you are.

Skibideebapbapbap · 26/06/2020 13:38

Have the baby at home.

I speak from experience when I say you need your female support network WAY more than a partner, lazy or otherwise.

If you stay in the UK you will never be able to move back home without his permission.

If you have the baby in your home country you still have the option of living in the U.K. one day.

PotOfYoghurt · 26/06/2020 13:38

Thank you @Nearlyalmost50, the stories about the differences a CPAP make are really encouraging. He hasn't been prescribed Vit D injections, just told to take 1000IU from over the counter stuff. I've started taking a really really high dose so not sure if he can just use my ones now.

OP posts:
GingerBeverage · 26/06/2020 13:40

Hi OP

If he doesn't help in the house, what does he do with all his free time? Does he play games or have a hobby or just sleep? Does he read or watch films/TV/Youtube?

Buying you treats and gifts doesn't equal being nice. It's emotional bribery.

Having support after giving birth makes everything so much easier. You will be exhausted and honestly it doesn't sound as if this man will step up to care for you properly. In your situation I would go home.

VenusTiger · 26/06/2020 13:42

My DH (been together 20yrs from when I was young) doesn't do ANYTHING around the house either - I do everything incl bins and cutting grass - he does do all of the DIY though (and I help out of course), but we've always done it this way - he works full time and I'm a full time mom.
I always did night feeds, and still take our son to bed every single night, but if I asked him to do it, he'd do it - I liked things done a certain way when he was a baby and in fact, my son's routine is so set now that I have never minded this, that's our choice. But here's the thing OP, your DP might end up being a hands-on dad - my DH did all the nappies etc. and we have family days out - if our DS wants his dad's time, he can have it, he's always there for him - can't you wait and see? Can you find out how his therapy is progressing and his medical needs first before you run out on your relationship - I think that's only fair imo as there might be a reason why he's so lazy.

Viragoesque · 26/06/2020 13:45

thyroid issues, low iron, depression etc can all cause exhaustion, which would make it very difficult for him to be motivated to do anything physical.

I had dangerously low iron due to extremely heavy periods and very low B12, and until it was belatedly treated, I was still working FT, parenting my young child and doing my share of household stuff, because I'm a mother who needs to provide for my child and look after him, regardless of how crappy I feel. Illness doesn't make any of this stuff optional, though I agree it makes it harder.

@PotofYoghurt, you're going to be a mother, and realistically, you haven't the time and energy to parent an immature, lazy man who can't manage his own health, basic household tasks etc. Prioritise your own MH and your baby -- move back to your home country before you give birth. Your relationship, your DP's health, and the terms on which he parents your child all need to come secondary to that. He's going to have to do some serious work. A CPAP machien isn't going to work miracles.

Imagine the alternative, where you have a baby in a place with no support, and find yourself trying to parent your partner into the bargain, in a house he can't/won't clean, having to supervise his slightest interaction with the baby, unable to leave him alone with the baby because he doesn't have the initiative/energy to care for him/her?

And stop beating yourself up. I think you sound like a kind, concerned individual, who will be a good mother. But prioritise yourself and your child and get away.

Flittingabout · 26/06/2020 13:46

6 months is long enough to see whether someone will come through on more than just words.

He isn't motivated to change these things sorry.

Tsubasa1 · 26/06/2020 13:46

In most posts about lazy or incompetent partners i wouldn't say this but... it does sound like the incompetencence could be from this mans really bad health. FGS you say he falls asleep while you are having a conversation! He is depressed, he has anxiety... no wonder he is struggling. You say he is lovely in every other way. You say you desperately want things to work out. I don't want to advise you to leave him or not, but I think there is plenty of scope for things to improve.

VenusTiger · 26/06/2020 13:46

@GingerBeverage what you're suggesting doesn't really relate to the OP's original stance on looking after yourself though does it - her DP needs to figure out why he's so tired and depressed all the time (tiredness and depression go hand in hand though) and he needs to look after himself first and foremost and fix whatever it is that needs fixing medically speaking before he can then look after a new mom and a baby.

growinggreyer · 26/06/2020 13:47

No, the OP can't 'wait and see' because once the baby is born in this country she can't leave without the father's permission. Honestly, OP. Get yourself back to your family, have the baby registered there and see if he makes any steps towards skyping, visiting, connecting with you and the baby. Maybe being left alone in a shithole of a house will buck his ideas up. Maybe he will get the energy to emigrate to your country. That is a safe way to wait and see.

YgritteSnow · 26/06/2020 14:02

I feel quite sad reading this. I'm the first to say LTB usually but I have a 17 year old ds with additional needs which include significant executive function issues. He truly is the kindest, most amiable and gentle boy and when guided will do any job asked of him but he just doesn't see what needs doing. He also appears perfectly NT so I think people would get impatient with him, even I, his Mum have to remind myself of how he struggles and swallow my impatience. Maybe your bloke is just a lazy twat but I am definitely reminded of my boy in your description of your DP.

notanotherpandemic · 26/06/2020 14:16

How can you even consider moving out of the country so your child does not get to see its father?? You've not even witnessed how he will perform as a father!

Lack of Vitamins D can lead to severe exhaustion and lack of motivation and sleep apnea also causes the person to sleep most of the day as they are not getting any deep sleep at all.

Give this man a break, you fell pregnant and decided to keep the baby despite not knowing the babies father. You can't then decide you think the father is lazy so move half way across the world before the baby is born.

You're being selfish! Think of you child....please.

Nearlyalmost50 · 26/06/2020 14:23

Another thing to factor in, and I don't know the answer to this, is how much help you will get realistically in your home country.

You may have a circle of amazing friends and family that will act to support you (you do sound depressed yourself and I think you should talk with your midwife about that).

You may not, or find your friends are busy (and may have moved on).

The first thing I would do in your situation is get a cleaner. Not because this is a substitute for your partner who is useless, but because then it will give you a lift not to have to do everything, you are feeling overwhelmed. That doesn't solve the day to day need to clean/maintain the house and you should be really direct with your partner that this isn't a substitute for him stepping up.

I would then realistically assess what 'going home' would look like- do you have a supportive mum/parents or friends who would genuinely help day to day? It's far from clear. If you do, then the decision may be different than if actually you are going to be a single mum pretty much on your own with the odd visit from a parent, and friends busy with their own lives, on the other side of the world.

AllyBamma · 26/06/2020 14:25

I’m sorry OP but you knew what he was like when you first met him. He’s never going to change, the CPAP machine isn’t going to give him a personality transplant. Do the right thing by your child and go home where you will have the support you need. Stay with him and you’ll have 2 babies to look after by yourself.

category12 · 26/06/2020 14:25

It is thinking of the child to go where she has a good support network and extended family, where she can likely work with their support and be able to give a good standard of living, rather than to risk ending up trapped in a foreign country where they may end up on benefits with the only support a guy who may not step up to the plate.

If she goes and he does sort himself out, they can rethink, he could join them, they could return. If she stays and he doesn't, she could end up entirely alone trapped here.

GingerBeverage · 26/06/2020 14:28

VenusTiger - My opinion (which is all any of us can offer) is that this 'issue' won't resolve in time and that the OP will be left struggling which could impact the baby as well. The baby is more important than the father and so I would choose to have family support in her position.

missperegrinespeculiar · 26/06/2020 15:38

Of course it's not about my trauma, who said it was? I was just saying that, given my personal experience, I would do all in my power to ensure that my child had a very strong relationship with their father, if at all possible, to avoid trauma to the child, not because of my own trauma!

This man is not abusive, the OP says he already loves his child, there is even the possibility that his lack of support for the OP in practical matters is because of health issues

In this situation, I would try my best not to move to the other side of the world, and ensure my child had a proper 50/50 shared custody arrangement, assuming the relationship cannot be saved, seeing your father once in a blue moon when either parent can afford to fly across the world would not be my first choice for my child and I would accept considerable sacrifices for myself to ensure I avoided this, of course, it may not be possible for the OP, and she may have to go, but to me, given my experience, this would be very much a last resort, in the end, the OP did choose to have a child in the context of a transnational relationship, she needs to take some responsibility for this, taking a child away from a loving father is a big deal

MitziK · 26/06/2020 15:44

@notanotherpandemic

How can you even consider moving out of the country so your child does not get to see its father?? You've not even witnessed how he will perform as a father!

Lack of Vitamins D can lead to severe exhaustion and lack of motivation and sleep apnea also causes the person to sleep most of the day as they are not getting any deep sleep at all.

Give this man a break, you fell pregnant and decided to keep the baby despite not knowing the babies father. You can't then decide you think the father is lazy so move half way across the world before the baby is born.

You're being selfish! Think of you child....please.

He's not even performing as a fully grown man at the moment.

Why should she have to take on parenting him as well as her child?

Viragoesque · 26/06/2020 16:00

Indeed, @MitziK.

Hushabusha · 26/06/2020 16:06

My eyes rolled right back in my head when I read "he does it because he doesn't love himself" . Give me a break. He's a lazy bastard because you are doing everything for him . If he lived alone would he do actually zero housework?
If you want to be his unpaid maid forever stay with him. If you want to have an independent happy life for yourself, go home. Let him cop on, grow up and move to be with you if he cares so much about this baby.
And don't put his name on the birth certificate

PicsInRed · 26/06/2020 16:07

He can stop you taking a born baby abroad, but not a foetus.

For God's sake, go now, that clock's ticking down to zero. This really is a now or never situation.

You're depriving your child only of a crap father who abuses the mother and a ruined childhood. That's a gift to the child - the gift of safety and security.

timeisnotaline · 26/06/2020 16:16

I’ve read all the updates and just book the flight op. He will never ever change while living with you. This is not a health condition, It’s laziness- yes of course ti looks like there is a health condition or several but they are not the real problem. A cpap machine will not make him clear his shit away. You can keep trying to help him for the next month but flights are being cancelled still and don’t leave yours till close to too pregnant to fly. Airlines each have their own policies, check it.

Fizzysours · 26/06/2020 16:32

He does it because he does not love YOU enough. He will grind you down op. You have a real child coming. Don't be in a relationship with a man child....go now!!!

ELW85 · 26/06/2020 16:33

@PotOfYoghurt
You haven’t fucked up. You gave a relationship a go in the pursuit of happiness and who wouldn’t do that?!
Speaking as a mother of a 13 week old and someone who has a Vit D deficiency, life at the moment is tiring but I’m doing it. I wouldn’t dream of leaving everything to DH even though he would happily do it.
Your partner can’t be arsed. He’s never grown up and is prioritising his hobbies over his respect for you, your relationship and your home.
I personally don’t think moving back home is a great idea given the distance it’ll put between father and child but I agree with PPs in that you’ll need support.
I’ve had none because of Covid (other than DH) and it’s been tough but liveable.
You could take the option of waiting to see if he comes to his senses once LO arrives but you’re delaying the inevitable I think.
So far, there haven’t been consequences to him being lazy. Kick him out. Sell his hobby stuff for money for baby stuff. Throw the gauntlet down, but something needs to change; you can’t look after two children.

Kudostoyou · 26/06/2020 16:43

Definitely go back home, without a doubt. Once the baby arrives I’m don’t think he will change in terms of household tasks and the resentment will only grow, this will grind you down completely. Put yourself and your mental health first, you need to be strong and I’m a good place for when the baby arrives. He has the option of moving to your home country, see what he’s made of.

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