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Big Problem with neighbours - advice please

120 replies

LucyintheSky21 · 24/06/2020 23:06

Hi

I am not sure that this is the right place to post something about an issue with neighbours but I thought it might fall under ‘relationships’ in a way as it is regarding the relationship between us and our neighbours.
Just for a bit of background, we own our house and have lived here 15 years and the neighbour I am going to discuss only moved in just before Christmas. We have not had much to do with the neighbours, they are a couple the same sort of age as myself and DH and have one small child about 18 months old. We have two young primary age DC.
We have in recent months started to speak a little over the wall and say hello and they seemed pleasant. Most people on our street don’t really speak. Anyway, we are not the Waltons and yes out children can be noisy if they play in the garden but only like normal children. We don’t have parties or play loud music or anything like that. A few weeks ago the lady Nextdoor collared me over the wall to complain that the night before my children had kept her son awake or woke him up crying. I knew the night she meant and my child had a night tremor which she does suffer from when it’s warm etc and the screaming can be loud. I apologised and explained and she was ok about it. Since then I have noticed that she is always watching me out of the window and when I notice her watching she actually ducks down from the window. I know this might sound strange but I said to my DH a while ago that I had a funny feeling about her and can tell she’s a nosey neighbour as she makes comments sometimes to me. For example one night I was looking for our cat in the street and she must have seen me leave my gate to go and look and it was around 10pm and she pointed out to me that she was aware I was outside at that time, almost like I shouldn’t have been. I wasn’t shouting the cat.
Another time she complained to me about my neighbours on the other side because they had a bbq with friends during lockdown and she was fuming about that.
Anyway, we are about to have some work done end of this week on our roof so at 7am this morning my scaffolding came. I wasn’t told what time it would arrive, I was only told it would be Wednesday or Thursday. Anyway this afternoon she collared me in the garden over the wall and was guns blazing that the men who bought the scaffolding woke her up and her child. It is not my fault as I had no idea what time. She wouldn’t accept it. She then said that if my children play in the garden on an evening that they have to be inside by 7pm as that’s when she puts her son to bed and she does not want any noise. My children are just normal children and don’t go to bed really late by can play out until 8pm now. She was quite nasty with how she spoke to me and said she fell out with her last neighbours and she had to move and that she won’t put up with it but I’m confused about what she’s complaining about and I feel like she’s going to be complaining every time I cough in the garden. It became semi- heated this afternoon as I felt she was telling me what to do and what she is complaining about is ridiculous. It is as if she thinks she is lady muck and everyone around her must do as she says. What she is complaining about is noise from normal living. She has a dog and doesn’t clean up the mess and it stinks but I don’t say anything. I am worried about her as I think she has an unhealthy interest in us and watches us and I feel it’s going to be compliant after complaint. Can anyone help or advise on what I can do about this before it gets out of hand?

Many thanks

OP posts:
LucyintheSky21 · 25/06/2020 19:52

Blessed 😂

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WhereYouLeftIt · 25/06/2020 19:56

Given your update, I think my standard response to her would be :

'Don;t you find complaining about everything exhausting, Jane?'

billy1966 · 25/06/2020 20:43

I think you should have a notebook quick to hand and the next time she tries to collar you to complain say "one moment Jane, I need my notebook to keep a note of what you are saying" ...she will ask why and you can just say "I've been advised to do so"....don't elaborate....but it might give her pause for thought!

Aminuts23 · 25/06/2020 20:43

I’m reading this thread with interest as my neighbours are starting to concern me. I’ve lived here about 2 years now. Spoken to them occasionally but not over friendly. Since lockdown I’ve been working at home. They seem very respectful and have a young child (about 5). As the child has got older he’s noisier indoors. It can be a bit loud but I don’t really care. However I’ve had my garden done in the last few weeks, it was awful before and I didn’t spend much time outside. Now whenever I go out to sit outside they slam their doors shut. Their child never plays outside. I feel guilty for being out there but I can’t see into their garden, there’s a 6ft fence! I’ve heard her say ‘she’s out there again’. Just ridiculous! I’m either quietly watering my garden or reading a book. More recently on a few occasions I’ve heard her screaming at the top of her voice. Really yelling. It unnerves me, let alone her husband and child. I don’t know what to do, if anything. Before lockdown they were just normal neighbours, private and serious but nothing out of the ordinary. Now I think she’s unhinged. I worry that it’s been such nice weather and I haven’t even heard her child playing in the garden. He hasn’t been, I work downstairs so I’d know. I’m very worried about the child. The screaming has been about 4 times in lockdown so not daily but it is really frightening. Not just arguing.

HansBanans · 25/06/2020 20:46

@Aminuts23 your neighbour sounds like an absolute crackpot. Enjoy your garden! As someone in a flat and no communal space I'm ridiculously jealous 😂

Aminuts23 · 25/06/2020 20:49

@HansBanans I shall! It’s been a right project and it looks lovely. I’m going to sit out there now to read and totally ruin her evening 😂

HansBanans · 25/06/2020 20:51

@Aminuts23 you should get a Bluetooth speaker and enjoy some music while you're out there. Those Bose ones are very good, they can get very loud. You won't be able to hear your neighbour anymore 😂 x

stealm · 25/06/2020 20:55

@Aminuts23
She might be concerned about catching Corona if you are sitting in your garden and breathing therefore she doesn't want to be in her garden in case you infect her.
Lots of people are really struggling with mental health because of lockdown and also fear of infection.
You go out in your garden whenever you like. You're not making a noise so you can't be disturbing them and if she is concerned about the risk of potentially catching something from you that's her problem.

Beetlebum1981 · 25/06/2020 21:08

I think you become a bit passive aggressive with this - every time you see her watching you just wave, be super cheerful and say hello and annoy the hell out of her. As for her complaints I'd try to ignore her, every time she nags point out to her that you are not being excessively noisy and that your children are entitled to play in your garden.

Fattyboom · 25/06/2020 21:39

'Don't be so ridiculous.....' usually works pretty well

LucyintheSky21 · 25/06/2020 22:48

There’s some fantastic responses on here, all of which have been noted. I know not to engage at all with her and if/more like ‘when’ she collars me next I will either be too busy or just stop her before she starts and say that ‘I’m not interested in your pettiness Jane, and furthermore it’s starting to feel like harrassment’ and just walk away. That’s the line I’m hoping to deliver. DH and I have talked about nothing else today and we have both agreed to nip this in the bud but I feel incredibly stressed about it. Any time that we have been outside today I have felt panicky about is the kids are playing too loudly for her etc. Sadly the roofer rang as well to say that due to the thunderstorms expected tomorrow he wants to postpone the roof until Monday. Not that it really matters to me. Actually it might suit ‘Jane’ better as she works on a Monday and Tuesday morning so she can’t complain if they start early as she will be out of the house. Tonight we have put our bins out for the morning to be collected and DH wasn’t sure if we had left it too late to wheel it out. I don’t want to live like this, treading on eggshells.
I love the advice about ‘hold on a minute Jane, I just need to grab my notepad’ that made me laugh. Definitely a good one to use.

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user1481840227 · 26/06/2020 00:38

Lol at the notebook thing.
I read your response OP before I read the post where it was said and imagined a notebook with a big label on it saying "Things Jane doesn't want me to do" Grin

Love the image of the Mother in law making cuckoo noises also lol

LucyintheSky21 · 26/06/2020 08:12

user1481840227 - perhaps I’ll start with the cuckoo noises next time ‘Jane’ wants to speak to me.

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AlrightAlrightAlright · 26/06/2020 09:15

OP you've done absolutely nothing wrong, if she doesn't like it she can move straight back out can't she. You've been there 15 years tell her to piss off!

For context, my neighbours kids were out in their pool at gone 11 last night and have been every night this week. They are noisy! I say nothing. Why? Because come winter you don't hear a peep out of them and they are kids in lockdown, live and let live!

Chosennone · 26/06/2020 09:56

Have you mentioned the dog mess to her?

I had to mention it my neighbours. They do clean (3 dogs worth) every day and hose down with some chemical, apparently that is what Environmental health expect. So mine do the minimum expected. Are they cleaning it daily? When she starts you could say 'Ah Jane whilst we're talking about being neighbourly about your dog mess...'

These things work both ways IMO

AgathaX · 26/06/2020 13:37

'Don;t you find complaining about everything exhausting, Jane?' - I really love this response.

Bionical89 · 26/06/2020 13:42

Tell her to piss off. There was a car revving in my street last night at 9pm when I was putting my son to bed but I looked out the window and could quite clearly see that he was fixing his car obviously to then go somewhere so why would I complain? It was unavoidable.

These kind of people, the noise police, really annoy me. Go and buy a house in the middle of no where then! Imagine telling you what time your kids must go inside 😂. Embarrasing

LindaFromMCC · 26/06/2020 14:27

This reminds me of when one of our neighbours - next door but one, not even next door - was being really weird about stuff. Like when our friend was dropped off outside her house and she went mad, saying we'd blocked her in etc. We hadn't, and it wasn't a private street so she had no right to say who parked where - and they were being dropped off, not parking! That was one of the less weird things. She called the police on our neighbours who had always been very kind and considerate to us, with totally unfounded allegations.
In the end I swung between being really pissed off she made me feel like that in my own home, and actually really sorry for her as it was clear she had significant MH issues. But that didnt give her the right to intimidate everyone else. I think the landlord told her to piss off in the end as they'd been on the receiving end of her too.
We ended up speaking to all our other neighbours who, as it turned out, had also experienced her unpleasantness. It actually brought us all together! Wonder if it might be worth you approaching your other neighbours, I'd put money on it they will have all experienced her behaviour too, and it made us feel better that it wasn't just us.

Sally050608 · 26/06/2020 21:17

What a crazy neighbour she has got too much time on her hands. I had a very similar neighbour kept watching me all the time, freaked me out. Just best to laugh and hopefully it will settle down when she gets bored good luck!!

EKGEMS · 26/06/2020 22:12

I'd have told her to drop dead.Twice.

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