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Trying to set boundaries but just pissing her off?

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LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:29

I have a family member who I really love, but who I find communicating with quite difficult at times. I always manage to piss her off, without meaning to.

She is a little younger than I am, but we are both in our 30s. She lives on her own, so we are her support bubble, which she wanted. She works all week (not from home), so is only free at weekends. So, she came to stay a couple of weekends ago. All fine. We had a lovely time and it was lovely to catch up. However, it obviously eats into family / couple time (which we get little enough of) and one of the kids has to move beds as we have a tiny house. No big deal and no trouble in the scheme of things, but not something we want to be doing every week iyswim.

Anyway, all fine. She asked to come back as soon as she left, so we said not this weekend, but the one after. That is this weekend.

She lives a couple of hours drive from us and last time came for one night, so we assumed that would be the same this time. Then she asked could she come straight from her work on the Friday, so arriving Friday evening. We said could we see how the week goes and let her know later in the week. Then she said she had applied for A/L on the Friday, so, good news, she could come on Friday morning. I said ok, so are you coming for the night again and going back on the Saturday night? She said she'd planned to stay the extra night and go back on the Sunday afternoon. I said, politely, could she just come for the one night, because it's been a busy week (it has) with one thing and another.

This upset her a bit and she said she thought she was like one of the family and I said yes, she is, but she doesn't live here and, crucially, she doesn't have a room here, so it's just a little bit disruptive for the kids and DH who is not obviously related to her at all. I wouldn't want his relative coming for the whole weekend every other weekend etc. This all came out in quite a long conversation btw. I didn't pepper her with all of that in one go and I did try to say it as nicely as I could without being TOO "sweet", (as I have tried that in the past with her and that annoyed her too - I asked her if she was ok because she had been so ott angry with me about not answering the phone to her - I called her back 15 minutes after she called - and she got properly pissed off when I asked if she was ok "don't send me messages like that").

Anyway, the long and the short of it is, that she became upset on the phone today, said "at least I know where I stand now" and then cried and hung up without saying goodbye. I immediately apologise by text for making her cry. She responded saying she isn't coming as she doesn't want to be a burden and also doesn't want to do the drive for just a short stay all the time, which I obviously understand.

At the moment, I just don't have the energy to respond. Many members of my family are volatile and I honestly need to be in the right place to deal with them sometimes, so I know this is also a "me problem". I am not blaming her, because I know I sometimes come across as defensive / territorial about having family time with DH and dcs? And that is genuine. I do think I come across that way at times and wonder if I'm being a twat and need to lighten up about that...

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Burpalot · 23/06/2020 16:37

I can see both sides. She's probably so lonely and just loved seeing you. It'll have been two weeks and then she only has company for one night. Why did you agree to form a bubble when you can't commit to a decent chunk of contact? I feel for her but totally understand your POV

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:42

That's a good question and I think it's definitely a misunderstanding in terms of what she expected from it vs what we expected. I thought "oh great, a bit like before lockdown, she'll come for the weekend here and there", whereas she thought she'd come more often.

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LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:42

She does see friends and works with people all week, so is not totally isolated, but I know that's not the same as seeing family.

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Tish008 · 23/06/2020 16:45

I think you're being really very generous, and I love alone.

You have your own family who deserve weekend's together, and you need a break from hosting.

I would stick to your guns, gently if you can

Tish008 · 23/06/2020 16:45

Live*

bigchris · 23/06/2020 16:45

What is your relationship ? Is she your sister ?

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:46

Yes, she is my younger sister.

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bigchris · 23/06/2020 16:46

Sounds like it will only be the next few weeks she'd be like this, things are getting back to normal in terms of seeing people

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:54

By "she'd be like this", do you mean coming to stay, or her getting annoyed with me at the drop of a hat (or what I see as the drop of a hat)? Because the latter is ongoing.

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LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 16:56

Honestly, I'm just sick to death of extended family members being unpleasant and behaving like not very nice children (the adult ones I mean).

Sorry, this seems unkind and it probably is. I'm obviously not in the best of places myself. Who is these days?

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TickleMeElbow · 23/06/2020 16:59

She sounds like really hardwork. Is she fun when she is there or are you just being polite by inviting her?

I take the PP point about her wanting to be in a bubble where she gets more time. So maybe say to her that she can do that with someone else instead, maybe another single person?

femfemlicious · 23/06/2020 17:01

Its a bit wierd you calling your sister your 'relative'. Is she a bit difficult and prickly
I have a sister like that, im never quite at ease with her. Try sending her a messagre explaining that you love having her over but its hard because you dont have a spare room

Disfordarkchocolate · 23/06/2020 17:02

I think she sounds hard work and demanding and in need of much clearer boundaries. You can't provide much support, you have other people whose needs come before hers.

TickleMeElbow · 23/06/2020 17:06

I thin the OP was trying to avoid being overly identifying. Though she is a relative so can't see the issue.

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 17:10

OMG YES, SHE IS VERY HARD WORK! NEVER would I say this IRL, never. But omg sometimes very hard work, very combative, very judgemental towards other family members. Sometimes, she loses the rag if the fucking 5yo isn't nice enough to her on FT.

Yes, she is a lot happier when she is here and she feels very at home here, but even though, yes it's close family and yes I want her to feel at home, she is still sort of a guest, so we make a bit of effort with meals etc, making her feel welcome, but I think she honestly believes it's her house and really settles in, falls asleep in the middle of the day, treats the kitchen like it's hers. Again, things NEVER to be complained about IRL. Please don't think I ever would.

I don't mind this, but I didn't know it would be every other weekend. It's tricky enough looking after my children all week. Yes, I'm sorry she is on her own. But she has more contact with friends than I do by a country mile. Then for her to always be taking the hump about something or other I say wrong.

Think I clearly just needed a small vent. So thank you.

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Aerial2020 · 23/06/2020 17:13

Using guilt to get her own way by the sounds of it.

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 17:13

My mil (pre covid) comes over and it's honestly a treat. She just takes the kids, I make her coffee and feed her lunch and then can get on with housework etc. Honestly, I don't take offence at people being at home etc here, or hosting, but Dsis (and she is really a wonderful person in many ways) can be hard work.

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SandyY2K · 23/06/2020 17:16

I can see both sides of this, but if i was her, I would realise that I was displacing one of your DC from sleeping in their bedroom and I wouldn't have opted to have your family as a support bubble.

Especially being 2 hours away from you.... it's quite a drive and I sense it's something you could do without.

It's a shame she didn't have someone closer to her.

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 17:23

She is lucky with friends closer to her and there is a couple who she lives near to, one of whom she used to be very close to and some other friends in the area. When she suggested the bubble, it was definitely framed in a "things are getting back to normal, so now I can come and see you" way. Which made me think "oh yes, like before lockdown", which was maybe once a month, at most. Also, pre lockdown, we could go places together. Now we are in our house or garden a lot more.

I do see her side as well. She likes seeing the kids, but very much on her terms. Which is lovely, but also not all that easily accommodated.

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Aerial2020 · 23/06/2020 17:27

Exactly her terms. It's your house, it's your terms. Why are her feelings more important than yours?

LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 17:31

I think I am just going to respond something along the lines of "that is completely fair enough that you don't want to drive all this way for a short visit. Shall we arrange another weekend, which is less busy here and you can stay longer?". This will annoy her as little as possible, but honestly, it will annoy her. I truly feel there is nothing I can say which won't annoy her, so I'm sort of past caring at this point.

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LadyPrigsbottom · 23/06/2020 17:34

Why are her feelings more important than yours?

I don't know! She really is, if she wasn't my sister, the most inconsiderate guest. But it's a lot more complicated with siblings isn't it?

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averythinline · 23/06/2020 18:17

Why don't you say stuff to her IRL ? Especially when she's giving grief to your kids... you are modelling poor relationships and boundaries to them... especially as you're siblings you should be able to be honest... why is it different than with someone else?? Maybe you need to think about a more adult relationship with her..,
There should be no reason why you. Can't say not this weekend we're knackered/busy/anything..you probably should have thought the bubble thing through a bit more but doesn't mean things can't change

Think of it as a way of reframing your relationship with her ... you almost talk about her as if she's a child...

Aerial2020 · 23/06/2020 18:40

But why is it different with siblings?
Was it like this growing up?
You're an adult now, you don't have to pander to her. You can be perfectly nice and see her and still keep your boundaries.

Aerial2020 · 23/06/2020 18:42

So what if she gets pissed off? If she cared about you, she would take a breather and chat with you about it.