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This isnt a big mistake....right?

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HeartbreakHotelier · 11/06/2020 08:56

Hello! I am new to posting but not new to reading. I have spent the past five years under what has felt like mental torture - despite being with a really good guy. I have lived in basically social isolation/lockdown mode because of our location. The location was chosen because he wanted to live close to his family. I used to be really active, out and about, loads of activities and mates. Not anymore. Luckily I still talk to my girlfriends on the phone almost every day.

Every time over the years I have tried to talk about moving he has blown up at me, just shouting and swearing and crashing out of the house and leaving. Its made me feel like I dont have a voice. The most confusing part for me has been that this only, ONLY ever happens when I broach the subject of us moving. Otherwise in our day to day, he is very sweet, thoughtful gestures, affectionate, pulls all his weight around the house etc, which is why it has been so confusing and taken me so long to wake up. I told him that I felt like I didnt recognise myself any more and he blew up at me.

Things got steadily worse over the past 2 years. I became anorexic - I'm still not sure why, it wasnt about weight as I've never had a problem with my weight. I also started drinking more. I have felt so isolated and alone, I felt like my personality was dying. I felt like I was slowly dying from the inside out. I then started having intense panic attacks every. Single. Morning. Luckily, something clicked inside me and the past two months I have managed to pull myself back on track. My eating is much better, and I stopped drinking.

Two weeks ago he said to me: "I'm not saying I'll never move. But you need to understand that right now, spending time with my mum is my priority."

I was completely shocked. She is a healthy 60 year old woman who sees all her family every day.

It made me finally see: I'm not his priority, am I?

So I finally decided. After FIVE YEARS. On Saturday I just said: "I'm moving to London." He looked really upset about that but said 'I cant stop you doing what makes you happy. I can't move with you.'.

Since then I have started calling around for flats and I feel so free already. My heart sank a little yesterday morning when he said 'I've been thinking. Instead of you moving fully to London, why dont you get a little studio there and we also keep our house here together, and you can move back and forth between the two?' (my job allows for it). In my head its like - thats just completely benefiting you again, with me again adapting so that your life remains unchanged. Im really struggling to understand his mindset here - in what possible world does he think that would work for me?

I think part of the reason he wants us to keep a home together is sentimental of course, but also because he will find it very difficult to rent a place alone moneywise.

I am sticking to my guns. I am going to tell him that no, that does not work for me, I am moving full time to London and we can see each other every other weekend, end of story. I am regaining some of my confidence and power now. I feel like I've been in lockdown for five years. My mental health took such a toll. This past year, I've been reading Mumsnet and even found threads with similar situations which helped me realise I shouldnt be living like this. I didnt want to post because I knew everybody would tell me to cut my losses and I wasnt ready to hear it. Now Im ready to make my life about me again. I feel so stupid for having wasted five years on losing myself.

At my age (mid thirties) am I making a mistake? I believe he genuinely loves me. But I dont understand why then he isnt making me a priority. I guess it doesnt matter. I guess Im just looking for reassurance and maybe stories of other women who have been in this situation of moving for a guy, or been in the situation of having to leave somebody because they werent being true to themselves, despite how nice the other person was.

I just feel so happy and excited for this next stage of my life - but also a little sad I am walking away from a stable relationship. He says this is a step backwards for us. But I cant wait to get my own place, get back to being busy and going for drinks with friends, etc. I also plan on having therapy so that I can understand what happened, understand the drinking and anorexia problem I had (which really disturbs me). And just trying to silence that voice of doubt now.

OP posts:
GilbertMarkham · 11/06/2020 10:41

Thank goodness you don't have any kids.

He sounds like an abuser/controller with a nice facade.

He clearly has no real care for your health and mental health to watch you isolated, developing an eating disorder, starting to drink too much etc like that, and nit sit down with you and initiate very serious discussions about whether you were unhappy, why .. and then what he could do about it to help, that's the least any decent partner or person would do.
He's fine the opposite, didn't care what state your health or MH was in as long as he had you where and how he wanted you.

The mum excise sounds sketchy too.

GilbertMarkham · 11/06/2020 10:42

*excuse

TheVanguardSix · 11/06/2020 10:47

Mark my words. The ONLY niggling regret will be: Why didn’t I do this sooner?
Welcome back to you, OP. You’ll flourish. You may have the odd wobble because change is always bit emotional, but you won’t know what’s hit you once you get to London. The freedom will have you walking on air.

I was in an incredibly oppressive relationship, much like yours. I went to London on a 3 month work contract and never returned to live with my boyfriend again. We fizzled out over a period of months. He came to stay. It was an utter disaster. Once I left to go to London, I left everything really... all of what we were. It just took me a while to understand this.
That’s 25 years ago. My only regret was that I ever met him. I too was anorexic at the time. I couldn’t breathe in that seemingly stable relationship.
But if I hadn’t gone through all of that, I wouldn’t have ended up where I am.
I wish you the very best! Don’t give up on this and decide to stay. Go outside of your comfort zone and follow through with the move to London!

Ginkypig · 11/06/2020 10:50

When you are not "making waves" he is fine. When you are bringing up something that he doesn't want to do and is entirely unwilling to compromise on he kicks off to shut you down, and he does this in the knowledge that you are deeply struggling because his wants and needs are far more important than yours to him.

Things aren't ok, your relationship is not and hasn't worked equally for a long time. you both split on fundamental issues in your relationship that are unlikely without one person going directly against their needs fixed.

Replace move (and with his behaviour in the rest of the post) with,

I'm desperate to get married and he says never. He kicks off when I bring it up.
I want children and he has categorically said never,
I'm against all drugs but he takes them every weekend and refuses to stop.

If two people can't meet in the middle somwhere on the very basic cores (which in the examples above there aren't really very good middle grounds without one person giving up their needs) then the relationship can never work because one person always has to concede to the other and live in a way that fundamentally doesn't sit ok with them.

I'm not saying that because you want one thing he needs to suddenly change to meet that, just if you can't meet in the middle in a way that you (both) feel ok with and doesn't leave you giving up everything just to stay together (like you are now) then it means you are left with leaving because even if you love him he and the relationship isn't the one for you and that's scary but it's ok!

PinkMonkeyBird · 11/06/2020 11:03

You are doing exactly the right thing. You've basically complied and conformed to what HE wants. He's kept you sweet by being the so called perfect partner as long as you don't challenge him.

Move, be free and please do think about not continuing this relationship. I think once you get back to a safe space where you can be yourself, you will find he does not fit into your life anymore. Let him stay being a mummy's boy because even if he met a new person, they would have to fit the same mold as he has made you into and batter their self esteem.

Frauhubert · 11/06/2020 11:18

Must be very exciting to be moving to London and starting a new life. Just don’t let him drag you back in or persuade you to stay. Make a clean cut and just go. So exciting!

anonnnnni · 11/06/2020 11:38

Hi OP,

Well done you.

Recent experience here. I lived with a man who had our living arrangements entirely on his own terms. I was lonely, commuted longer than he had to, didn’t see my mates as often as I would have liked. Like you, my mental health also took a deep dive. He wouldn’t entertain the idea of moving/l and why would he? He was getting everything he needed right where we were. I also made noises about moving ‘back to London’- largely in a bid to save the relationship but to gain some sort of life for myself.

Fast forward eighteen months and he took a job overseas. Expected me to move. I had my lightbulb moment of recognising his utter selfishness. What about my career/health/hobbies? It became clear in lockdown that he would never make me a priority.

To cut to the chase, we split at Easter. I have the type of freedom that was denied to me whilst trying to accommodate him for two years. I’ve also just had an offer accepted on my first home- something that would never have been possible had I stuck with Mr Selfish. I can’t tell you how excited I am about what’s ahead of me.

The bottom line: mine is a happy story and yours will be too.

Yeahnahmum · 11/06/2020 11:50

Sounds like moving to London will be the best decision ever op

Choose life. Choose the sparkle. Choose the best life.

Onemansoapopera · 11/06/2020 11:52

Tbf to the guy he suggested meeting in the middle. If you truly loved each other that's what you would do but you don't want to, you want to move away from him which is your right and he wants to stay near his mum which is his. You don't love each other and your eow visits will dwindle I expect, it will play out as its supposed to

Gunpowder · 11/06/2020 12:06

Onemansoapopera the meeting in the middle would have been if he’d offered that all the other times OP suggested they move. Or actually moving somewhere better for both of them in the first place rather than isolating OP from her friends and then blowing up when she said she was unhappy. The time to compromise has gone and I think if you love someone you don’t let them remain desperately unhappy.

I hope very much (for OP’s sake) that this is the end of their relationship.

Onemansoapopera · 11/06/2020 12:10

Nope the meeting in the middle is exactly what he suggested. He is trying to keep his family ties intact and his relationship. OP has had enough, she wants to go and will leave him. They don't love each other or they'd take on the compromise. Nobody should have to live anywhere they don't want to, but he hasn't kept her prisoner he just doesn't want to move . They're both adults and free to live where they want. Your opinion is different, that's fine.

PinkMonkeyBird · 11/06/2020 12:24

@onemansoaopera

So you totally missed the part where this manchild was having a crashing and throwing about tantrum each time the OP broached the subject of moving?

The fact that everything has been on his terms with NO regard to meeting in the middle when the OP has previously wanted to discuss it (because he was too busy throwing the dollies out of the pram and crying to mummy).

The fact that this man has managed to destroy the OP's self esteem. As long as she played along nicely and never mentioned moving, then he would be the model partner...but as soon as she wanted to discuss it bam tantrum time.

Fuck that! Why should she meet in the middle now? She deserves someone who will discuss things like a mature adult, but that is never going to happen.

I truly hope the OP leaves, builds up her life again and meets someone emotionally mature enough to be in an actual partnership.

Onemansoapopera · 11/06/2020 12:36

Shit happens, people get emotional, think you're over egging it a touch. Your opinion and mine different, that OK or...?

PinkMonkeyBird · 11/06/2020 12:41

No it isn't an opinion. It's all in the OP's post.

But you know, 'shit happens' is not a fucking excuse for twatty behaviour.

thethoughtfox · 11/06/2020 12:53

Perhaps it is only this issue that he overtly abusive to you over because this one act - completely isolating you - has achieved total control over you.

Neepers · 11/06/2020 13:07

There was ZERO meeting in the middle mentioned in OP’s post. He wanted to stay exactly where he was and she should get a studio and flit between the two.

Onemansoapopera · 11/06/2020 13:08

It's usual the reason for most twatty behaviour unless your saintly at all times 🤷‍♀️ it is what it is.

LJenn · 11/06/2020 13:09

You only get one life OP, make sure you make the most of it. Do you, get back to your happy place. You KNOW deep down this man isn't right for you. What was his reaction while you had the eating disorder or having panic attacks? Relationships require compromise & he's definitely all about himself & his wants and needs. If he's prioritising his mother let him off, YOU prioritise YOU now. If he truly loves you he'll realise (once you've moved away) what a huge mistake he's made and make it work. Personally I'd be wary of someone who blows up that easily 😑😑 dangerous territory.

fuckinghellthisshit · 11/06/2020 13:18

Run run as fast as you can! And well done for pulling yourself back. Be free, you're going to have so much fun :)

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 11/06/2020 13:20

When a friend's parents got married in the 60s, they moved up to the Midlands, near to his family, because they could have a better lifestyle. On paper, my friend's DM had everything anyone could want - a lovely house in a gorgeous part of the country, DF had a good job, so there'd be lots of money.

But she couldn't get used to it, she was so homesick. When he found out he wasn't happy, he decided there and then to move to where she came from. He went home every 3 months or so for a holiday.

That's what you look for in a DP. A willingness to give, compromise. I have no end of respect for the man. Yours might have come to some arrangement - something that would make you both happy if he'd wanted to, but he doesn't.

Good luck

That's love.

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 11/06/2020 13:21

Sorry, didn't mean to have "That's love" in there.

EmbarrassedUser · 11/06/2020 13:21

@HeartbreakHotelier Totally the right decision 👍 Many people meet the love of their life at your age and he clearly isn’t right for you.

beachcomber70 · 11/06/2020 13:37

You're not making a mistake at all, you weren't ever in a stable relationship, and he is definitely not a good guy.

You have been controlled, broken, risked your physical and mental health and wellbeing being permanently damaged and lost 5 young years on a nasty, foul bully.

Get out, enjoy life and forget about him. He sounds awful, selfish and unable to commit to, or properly love, anyone except his mother. That's pathetic for him, and demeaning for you. Have a good life and raise your boundaries...a lot. Best of luck.

PicsInRed · 11/06/2020 13:39

My sense is that he needs someone to continue cleaning his house, cooking and freezing dinners, shagging him a couple times a week, dealing with life's paperwork etc - you get where I'm going. With you gone, he'll have to recruit and train a new dogsbody.

Leave, be free, be happy.

Marleymoo42 · 11/06/2020 14:01

You gave it 5 years. He saw you get more unhappy and unwell and that has not been enough to change his mind.

Unless there are other reasons which prevent him from moving (kids, terminally ill family member, parents who need a carer etc.) he is not prioritising you enough. Love is not watching someone struggle and refusing to change.