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Is his relationship with his ex too much or is it me?

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Erej · 05/06/2020 21:11

Advice needed as I feel like I'm going mad.

So I have been dating somebody for just over a year. He was with a women for 17 years, they have a 4 year old son, married and still lived together at the time we first met.

I was not very happy about dating a man who was still married albeit separated but still living with his wife so I was very hesitant about getting to know him and catching any sort or feelings plus I had just got out or a relationship myself and wasn’t really ready for anything. He chased me a lot and treat me like a queen with gifts and dinners etc.

He explained to me that the marriage hadn’t worked for a long while and the only reason he still was living in the same house was because he was there for his son. He used to put his son to bed every night then go out and was never at home day or night, he said this was just because of the unpleasant atmosphere and they were not getting on too well and it was awkward.

About 8 months after that he bought a house and moved out and I have been with him ever since, this was a year ago.

We have had a lot of arguments in that time. We are both strong characters and do clash a lot.

So down to the issue!
I would never ever ever want to come between a mother and father of a child at all, I would always encourage a good healthy relationship for the sake of the child and their future. However, I personally feel that a few things are a little questionable and I would really like some advice.
So he is a stand up guy, a very loyal dad and would do anything for his son, but that seems that is goes as far as his child’s mother too.
Firstly, the child is in nursery full time and she doesn’t work at all, he supports her with everything, food, mortgage, house, car etc. Don’t get me wrong, this is nice but he isn’t exactly loaded. Iv seen messages on his phone about him taking her car to get fixed, her sorting his car service for him through a mutual friend along with a few other things. He assures me that they only talk about things to do with their son but I have seen she has sent him pictures of candles all around the lounge when she had a power cut and texts with her wishing him a good night at work and that she was having friends round for drinks etc.
He had his son a couple of nights a week, and he pops to see him a few times between. They speak on the phone a few times a day, when he wakes up, when he goes to sleep and other bits in between, then there is the texts on top of that, images of anything either of them get up to with the child, they get the bouncy castle out, pictures exchange, one of them takes him to the beach, pics exchange, he could be sat on the sofa watching tv and pics are back and forth daily, I understand you want to know your son is ok when not there but this just seems a lot to me!
A few weeks ago we watched a AGT audition where a child with autism sings, I saw that he had sent it to her in a text, I questioned this and he said he was consoling her because she was upset with their sons development.
She knows he is dating somebody else, but he has also told me that she is still in love with him and she holds on to the hope that one day he may go back to her. The kisses on texts only stopped a couple on months ago after I repeatedly told him i felt it was inappropriate and made me uncomfortable. She has turned up at the house a couple of times too, unannounced for random things with no urgency at all.
I have told him how I feel on several occasions but he doesn’t talk about it, we have had several arguments about it, some where I have packed my stuff and left and we haven’t spoken in sometimes weeks at a time. He told me that he hasn’t told him mum about me as she would maybe think less of me for being with a man that is still married. I have asked him when he plans to get a divorce, on several occasions and he has said he will bring it up in September when his son goes to school full time as he doesn’t want the household dynamics to be effected where his son is living as he isn’t sure how she will take it.
Anytime we argue about it all and how I feel about the relationship is a little too intense he gets very defensive, he is a calm guy but when I eventually get a rise out of him he tells me “it’s my son, I have responsibilities, she is the mother to my child” this makes me feel like I am trying to cause an issue between him and his son when I am most certainly not! Every time it comes up he just says “oh same thing again” but he doesn’t talk about it, doesn’t even try to see my side of it, he just tells me I am here with you and you are my priority and then it all starts again and nothing changes. I don’t want to be a nagging women at all but I just feel like something has to give. Is it me? Hmm

OP posts:
Crystalspider · 05/06/2020 21:34

It might be a little excessive to call a few times a day other than that I think he just trying to make sure he's in his sons life alot which is a good thing.
My ex and I normally exchange an email or text a day, pics a couple times a week of the kids and we have no feelings for each other, we even put one x on the end of a message but nothing in it.

I guess it's hard for you that she has to be in his life still but you may have to learn to accept it without arguments or move on. If your having a lot of arguments maybe thats why you haven't met his mother yet? as he doesn't know if you coming or going.

Aerial2020 · 05/06/2020 21:41

Saying good morning and good night every day???
He is still very much emotionally tied to her . He can be a good father, get on with her and communicate well about his child without all the other stuff
Red flags all over the place.
Find someone who has moved further on. This is far too messy for you
You are in the middle of 'their' unrelsoved stuff and he is using you.
It wouldn't surprise me if you broke yo and they got back together

Cabinfever10 · 05/06/2020 21:42

You were the other woman.
He will not divorce her.
He is stringing you both along.
Leave now before you get dragged down further by him

thenamesarealltaken · 05/06/2020 21:45

OP, I am friends with my exes and I go to their houses, I chat to their new partners, well only one has one. Some couples who break up simply don't want to be married anymore or live together, but it doesn't mean they don't care a lot or even still love each other. My ex still tells me he loves me. But we'll never get back together again. Your bf and his ex might genuinely be good friends and work well together as parents. It sounds like your boyfriend and his ex get on very well and that might continue in some form or other. It's great for their son, who will not suffer as much as a result of them breaking up.

To you, he's offering a part of himself, the rest is for his son (+ son's mother) as a package. It's understandable that you'd struggle and certainly not unreasonable - you can't help how you feel. But without changing him or that arrangement , can you be happy? I don't see him changing things with his ex, as he won't want to lose the closeness and the involvement he has with his son. I'm sure he'd only sneakily stay friends if you weren't happy to accept it. There are many scenarios. I guess you have to judge what you want and can cope with based on the situation as it is, out in the open, and hope that maybe he will adapt more to life with you. It's very hard now as his son is 4 and about to start school. His son is his priority and looking after his ex means his son will be well looked after you. It's all good. But, for you, not so. You're getting a part of him. What are your thoughts?

LolaSmiles · 05/06/2020 21:45

Some of it sounds like a dad working with an amicable co-parenting relationship, many other parts sound like a man who wants to have a bit of a breather and some fun knowing he can pick his marriage up where he left off when he gets bored

Erej · 05/06/2020 21:49

I totally get that he wants to be in his sons life, I think that is an amazing thing and can be rare these days. You mention you have no feelings between yourself and your ex but he has openly admitted that she is still in love with him and holds on to the hope that he goes back one day. Like I say I encourage him to have a good healthy relationship but I think there should be some transparency there as I feel like he hides it from me and doesn't communicate with me at all. The most important thing to me is I want him to understand where I am coming from but he just makes me feel like it his way or no way and it's not worth talking about.
His mum lives abroad so not in the country, it's not a case of meeting me, she doesn't know anything about me :/ as for the kisses, some people put kisses to everybody, just a habit, he isn't one of them people at all....

OP posts:
TorkTorkBam · 05/06/2020 21:51

Oh my goodness, this is priceless.

You write texts only stopped a couple on months ago after I repeatedly told him i felt it was inappropriate and made me uncomfortable.

Just a little after you wrote this they have a 4 year old son, married and still lived together at the time we first met.

Yeah, sure, lecture him on appropriate relationship behaviour and expect him to be faithful. You could not make up the gullibility. I think you might actually be for real too.

isthismylifenow · 05/06/2020 21:51

I wouldn't personally date anyone who is separated and not yet divorced.

He went from one relationship to the next with you. Has he properly processed the break down of his marriage?

TorkTorkBam · 05/06/2020 21:52

I feel like he hides it from me and doesn't communicate with me at all.

FFS woman. He is a cheater. He did this to his wife. See how it works?

NailsNeedDoing · 05/06/2020 21:53

She is his wife and the mother of his child. If he hadn’t met someone else and he was treating her this way, people would say what a great bloke he is for being supportive and involved and they would be free to create a positive, flexible co parenting relationship that works for them both. It’s not really possible to be that supportive and involved when a child is so small without having a good relationship with the other parent. And really, it’s the right thing for him to be doing.

But because he wants to have the best of both worlds, you’ve been sucked into this. The fact they they get on is only a problem for you, for everyone else involved, it’s great. In your position, I’d leave. You’re setting yourself up for years of arguments, frustration and upset over this otherwise.

Molocosh · 05/06/2020 21:53

They aren’t separated. They’re still very much entwined and there’s no room for you. Can you imagine marrying someone who pays all of his ex’s bills? You can’t build a life with someone like that.

Trevsadick · 05/06/2020 21:54

To be honest, there's a lot of detail that doesnt need to be there.

Fact is you arent happy with the relationship he has with ex (with good reason, imo), you argue alot.....its not working. He is happy with the way things are.

It won't work. Regardless of him spoiling you with gifts and really wanting to be with you.

If you give him an ultimatum and he reduces contact, you will forever be the bad guy. The person that made is relationship with his son change.

Walk away. This won't get better.

TorkTorkBam · 05/06/2020 21:56

My wife doesn't understand me. I only stay for the children. Yeah right.

Then he left, kept the good bits of child rearing and dumped the rest. He wasn't going to do his own housework and relieve tension through masturbation though was he? No, no, no, he moved in the sexy house maid.

Take your blinkers off. You are about the eleventy millionth woman who fell for this.

The wife has learned her lesson. She is going to take him back and won't moan about him failing to put his socks in the laundry basket any more.

Crystalspider · 05/06/2020 21:58

She may still have feelings for him but you have to trust that he no longer has feelings for her, as he has moved out I would think that is the case. I would trust you gut what to do op, if your not comfortable with it it's only going to downwards.

CrazyToast · 05/06/2020 22:33

You could see it either way tbh. He could be just being supportive for his kid. My friend did the same thing for his ex, paid everything, because he felt that his kids could only be happy and safe if the mum was. But then again he was still in love with her.

Or maybe he isnt ready to let go.

Either way, if you've brought it up and he won't change then you just have to decide what you want to do. Put up with it? Or leave.

Erej · 05/06/2020 22:37

Thanks everybody Smile I hear what you are all saying and it is hard to be in a situation like this, as I am sure it is hard for her too knowing he is with somebody else. Like I say I fully encourage a healthy and friendly relationship, i don't mind calls and texts and even the fact he supports her, I have dated a guy before you had a child with another women and they also had a healthy friendly relationship but nothing like this. I feel like she is in our relationship, she buys him aftershave for his birthday and clothing for Father's Day and also sends pics of her and her son to the house, I find it odd. My only issue is the fact that he says he loves me and I am his priority but when I get upset or want to talk about it he just shuts me out. He isn't interested in doing anything about the way I feel or to even reassure me and that's what gets me, the fact he won't even talk about it.

OP posts:
backseatcookers · 05/06/2020 22:45

My only issue is the fact that he says he loves me and I am his priority but when I get upset or want to talk about it he just shuts me out. He isn't interested in doing anything about the way I feel or to even reassure me and that's what gets me, the fact he won't even talk about it.

Your "only" issue is that he won't talk to you about things that upset you, won't ever reassure you and shuts you out?

You know you're an adult and have agency over your own life right?

You don't need to wait for people to tell you what is acceptable and what isn't. What matters is what's acceptable to you.

This dynamic isn't making you happy. It's precisely the reason most people wouldn't have dated a man still married (even if he said separated) and living in the same home as his wife / ex wife. It's a foolish way to start a relationship.

You sound like you're waiting for him to change all his behaviour and for people to tell you everything is fine, but you're an adult and you need to step up and think right... am I happy with this? If he doesn't change this behaviour (which he won't) are you really willing to spend any more time on the relationship?

Do you want kids? If so can you imagine adding them to this dynamic?! He's already pulled in different directions - what happens if you have a child with him and you feel he doesn't prioritise yours etc.

This is all just a huge recipe for disaster.

Imcrapwithusernames · 05/06/2020 22:50

My mum always told me "watch what people do, not what they say" talk is cheap his actions tell you everything you need to know. Get out while you have no kids or ties to him.

Anthilda · 05/06/2020 23:01

I would move on from him if I were you. Too much of a headache. It's not worth it.

FizzyGreenWater · 05/06/2020 23:03

Leave.

As an aside, why is 'treated me like a queen' ALWAYS such a red flag!?

I guess it's a lot about how YOU see what constitutes 'good' in a relationship OP. Dinners and flowers... you would have been better off seeing a man still living with his wife and child someone you would just not even want to bother with.

MamaFirst · 05/06/2020 23:19

Divorces take years. You have to legally separate first, and it doesn't even sound like he's done that? That would have no impact whatsoever on a child, whose parents are not even together anyway?? It's excuses. His relationahip with the ex is inappropriate and disrespectful to you, totally irrespective of being a good dad, that is not connected or in question here.
Know your value and walk away. It doesn't sound like he is ready or prepared to be in a respectful relationship with someone else.

SandyY2K · 05/06/2020 23:47

What made you start a relationship with a married man still living with his wife?

Most women would not be so keen.

He's been living in house separately...has his own place and still no rush to divorce! Let's see what happens when September comes eh.

My only issue is the fact that he says he loves me and I am his priority but when I get upset or want to talk about it he just shuts me out

This relationship has no future. It didn't start well and won't end well.

You need to leave instead of having endless arguments. He has a peaceful relationship with his wife, but it's arguments with you...he'll get fed up of this soon. You should as well.

He says his mum would think less of you for being with a married man...... I'd say he thinks less of you too.

If he is truly separated, why would she think less of you. She wouldn't think less of him, being the one who is actually married.

It just makes you sound like the OW. Have you met any of his friends or other family members...or are you a secret to everyone?

crimsonlake · 06/06/2020 00:30

Gobsmacked that you would start a relationship with a man who was still living with his wife is my first thought.
Second...this is going nowhere and you know it.
Thirdly, do not date anyone who is separated.
Leave and find somebody without baggage

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 06/06/2020 07:54

Agree, cut your losses. He has no intention of divorcing his wife, he will tell you what you want to hear but his actions tell a different story. It's ok to end the relationship. It's ok to be single. Find a relationship where you are actually valued and cherished, you're wasting your time in this situation

BluebellForest836 · 06/06/2020 08:15

Just leave, I wouldn’t put up with that amount of contact.
He’s making a door mat out of you.
Pack your stuff, tell him it’s over and just go.

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