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Is his relationship with his ex too much or is it me?

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Erej · 05/06/2020 21:11

Advice needed as I feel like I'm going mad.

So I have been dating somebody for just over a year. He was with a women for 17 years, they have a 4 year old son, married and still lived together at the time we first met.

I was not very happy about dating a man who was still married albeit separated but still living with his wife so I was very hesitant about getting to know him and catching any sort or feelings plus I had just got out or a relationship myself and wasn’t really ready for anything. He chased me a lot and treat me like a queen with gifts and dinners etc.

He explained to me that the marriage hadn’t worked for a long while and the only reason he still was living in the same house was because he was there for his son. He used to put his son to bed every night then go out and was never at home day or night, he said this was just because of the unpleasant atmosphere and they were not getting on too well and it was awkward.

About 8 months after that he bought a house and moved out and I have been with him ever since, this was a year ago.

We have had a lot of arguments in that time. We are both strong characters and do clash a lot.

So down to the issue!
I would never ever ever want to come between a mother and father of a child at all, I would always encourage a good healthy relationship for the sake of the child and their future. However, I personally feel that a few things are a little questionable and I would really like some advice.
So he is a stand up guy, a very loyal dad and would do anything for his son, but that seems that is goes as far as his child’s mother too.
Firstly, the child is in nursery full time and she doesn’t work at all, he supports her with everything, food, mortgage, house, car etc. Don’t get me wrong, this is nice but he isn’t exactly loaded. Iv seen messages on his phone about him taking her car to get fixed, her sorting his car service for him through a mutual friend along with a few other things. He assures me that they only talk about things to do with their son but I have seen she has sent him pictures of candles all around the lounge when she had a power cut and texts with her wishing him a good night at work and that she was having friends round for drinks etc.
He had his son a couple of nights a week, and he pops to see him a few times between. They speak on the phone a few times a day, when he wakes up, when he goes to sleep and other bits in between, then there is the texts on top of that, images of anything either of them get up to with the child, they get the bouncy castle out, pictures exchange, one of them takes him to the beach, pics exchange, he could be sat on the sofa watching tv and pics are back and forth daily, I understand you want to know your son is ok when not there but this just seems a lot to me!
A few weeks ago we watched a AGT audition where a child with autism sings, I saw that he had sent it to her in a text, I questioned this and he said he was consoling her because she was upset with their sons development.
She knows he is dating somebody else, but he has also told me that she is still in love with him and she holds on to the hope that one day he may go back to her. The kisses on texts only stopped a couple on months ago after I repeatedly told him i felt it was inappropriate and made me uncomfortable. She has turned up at the house a couple of times too, unannounced for random things with no urgency at all.
I have told him how I feel on several occasions but he doesn’t talk about it, we have had several arguments about it, some where I have packed my stuff and left and we haven’t spoken in sometimes weeks at a time. He told me that he hasn’t told him mum about me as she would maybe think less of me for being with a man that is still married. I have asked him when he plans to get a divorce, on several occasions and he has said he will bring it up in September when his son goes to school full time as he doesn’t want the household dynamics to be effected where his son is living as he isn’t sure how she will take it.
Anytime we argue about it all and how I feel about the relationship is a little too intense he gets very defensive, he is a calm guy but when I eventually get a rise out of him he tells me “it’s my son, I have responsibilities, she is the mother to my child” this makes me feel like I am trying to cause an issue between him and his son when I am most certainly not! Every time it comes up he just says “oh same thing again” but he doesn’t talk about it, doesn’t even try to see my side of it, he just tells me I am here with you and you are my priority and then it all starts again and nothing changes. I don’t want to be a nagging women at all but I just feel like something has to give. Is it me? Hmm

OP posts:
TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 06/06/2020 15:17

There are far less complex ways to be happy in life. He is still pretty much married emotionally and practically, obviously you can try to convince him but he will only resent you for it. Much better to leave and let him find you again when he is available (but don’t wait for him to comeback, as chances are he never will)

backseatcookers · 06/06/2020 16:02

I don't want to be the women that gives him ultimatums BUT the reality of it all is I am in this relationship to and my feelings should be heard.

If you have to give someone an ultimatum to do something you want them to do (in this case divorce) then it's not worth it, because they're doing it under duress and under threat so it doesn't really mean anything.

It's like women who give men an ultimatum of having a baby with them or they'll break up with them... I would rather break up to have the chance to meet someone who did want a baby with me.

Pebblexox · 06/06/2020 16:09

If you give him an ultimatum, he won't pick you. He's made it clear in his behaviours. It will also come across that you're making him choose between you and his family. He's going to pick his family, as that's where his child is.

Erej · 06/06/2020 16:14

That's the thing..... I just want to be able to talk about it, communicate about both our feelings and him at least understand where I am coming from... but I just get nothing! Suppose I know what i need to do

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EngagedAgain · 06/06/2020 16:19

I don't think it is just you. Nrtft, but from your OP it all sounds OTT. From the few posts I have read, I've no need to repeat any of them, they've hit the nail on the head.

Prettybubblesintheair · 06/06/2020 16:30

A year in and you’re already arguing so much you’ve packed up and left and not spoken for weeks at a time? Seriously cut your losses and end it. Even without all the ex wife stuff you’re clearly not meant to beZ

Prettybubblesintheair · 06/06/2020 16:30

*be

backseatcookers · 06/06/2020 16:44

What are you planning to do then OP?

If you want to have kids at some point don't you think you need to break up and move on, as it would be irresponsible to bring a new life into this dynamic.

aSofaNearYou · 06/06/2020 16:51

Also just to note, if you did stay in the relationship and became step mother to his child - life as a step parent is full of moments like this and if he doesn't see your POV now he certainly won't then. He doesn't seem worth a lifetime of feeling like this.

Isthisfinallyit · 06/06/2020 17:11

Honey, if he wanted to divorce he would, if he wanted to keep her at a distance and go on with his life he would, if he wanted a serious relationship with you he would ease your concerns.

Wake up and stop being the third person in their marriage. Send him away till he is fully divorced, I reckon he will just go back to her.

SandyY2K · 06/06/2020 17:26

I have expressed to him that divorce does take years but he said he hopes daily she asks him instead so that he doesn't have to ask her as he doesn't know how she will feel about it.

I thought he would start it in September?

I also don't understand why he says he doesn't know how she would feel, given he's left the family home. Surely she'd be expecting this, unless he was moving out on a temporary basis to try and work on things.

Can you see how this doesn't make much sense? He moved out...I presume doesn't love her anymore...she should be expecting this.

GilbertMarkham · 06/06/2020 17:31

You said he knows she's still got feelings for him and wants him to get back together with her.

He won't raise divorce with her because of her expected reaction and hopes she'll raise it (but how likely is that given the above?).

He would need to have very strong boundaries with her .. but he doesn't.bthe opposite.

He would need to raise and start the divorce process but he won't. He's too scared of her reaction and is waiting for her to raise it (how long exactly, why would she raise a divorce when she still has feelings for him and he's so involved that she won't move on and probably hopes they'll get back together?)

It's possible he won't establish strong, clear boundaries or raise divorce because he's worried she'll make it hard for him to see his son as and when, in the super easy flexible way he can now.

But that leaves him in s fucked up situation, and you - having gotten involved with him in the same fucked up situation.

He's a bit of a coward too.

GilbertMarkham · 06/06/2020 17:36

It's not a fair situation on you, he's not tresting you fairly.

I'm afraid you either accept it (and accept he's a bit of a selfish, easy life type guy who's happy to act unfairly to you as long as you put up with it) or you give him a clear ultimatum about not engaging in non child contact related communication and about speaking to her about starting divorce proceedings; and if he doesn't cut your losses and walk away.

I predict he'll not do what you ask. He'll just keep putting you off.

Inappropriatefemale · 06/06/2020 17:58

Get shot of him ASAP.

To the poster that said they are still a family, no they aren’t, that stopped when they separated.

Why doesn’t she work? Maybe because he is funding her life style? I honestly think they may get back together and he could be using you just now, get well out before you invest anymore time into this.

Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 18:04

He won't understand your point of view. Ever
It doesn't suit him. Men tend to do what that want and when they want something, they tend to go for it. He doesn't want a divorce right now.
He has it exactly how he wants it right now so why would he change it?
You are WASTING your time.
WAKE UP

Erej · 06/06/2020 18:17

Thanks ladies! Your feedback has been great and made me see things in a different way completely. I think I need to leave and cut my losses. He isn't Interested in my thoughts or feelings at all on this matter and I don't see it changing. Like you have all said if he wanted to do something like the divorce he would just do it.

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OnlyJudyCanJudgeMe · 06/06/2020 18:17

You were an affair. Whether you choose to think that or not.
The second you leave, he’s back together with her.

Meneenamenana · 06/06/2020 20:30

It sounds like he’s started a relationship way too soon. I’ve found men in particular can take longer to mentally separate, for lots of reasons, guilt is a big one. When I met my DP he was separated but not divorced, and we were together 3 years before I had a conversation him about it. I knew that to him divorce felt like a “failure” and have to accept the disappointment of not having the typical nuclear family he’d grown up with and hoped for. I didn’t set an ultimatum but I felt it was reasonable for me to ask how he felt about the future because I couldn’t see myself 10 years down the line still with someone who was married. A year later he’s nearly divorced. However although I was uncomfortable with some elements of him and his ex’s relationship it has changed over time and there was certainly never any talk of her still being in love with him - I would have found that very difficult.

Windyatthebeach · 06/06/2020 20:43

Monitoring someone's phone should tell you there is no trust or point in a relationship.

You can't micro manage his relationship with his ex..
He has a relationship with her to the extent he has because it suits him.
You can't make him change that.
You need to walk away before you get pregnant.. Then you and your dc will really know your place.
And it ain't first.

SandyY2K · 06/06/2020 20:46

While he doesn't file for divorce, it gives her hope that they'll get back together.
I can't see how he doesn't understand that.

This separation also allows him to pursue another relationship, while he knows she still wants him.

I sort of think if he found out she was seeing someone else, he'd be wanting to get back with her.

kml31 · 07/06/2020 00:13

Hi Erej. Hope you do what’s right for yourself to enable your happiness. I would feel uncomfortable in your situation too and the lack of communication and disregard to your feelings is a big problem. Kick him to the curb if you ask me. Your girl friends will be there for you to support you out of this! Feed him to the pigs!! Believe me there’s already some leftovers in the pen!!

famousforwrongreason · 07/06/2020 00:25

Boundaries boundaries boundaries
Don't leave home without them.
I'm an ex wife co-parenting. I ask my ex for very little. Very little. And when I do its normally for back up in a challenging child rearing situation. Or a swap in days for a specific event.
He offers more help than I ask for.
I especially would not be the kind of ex who has him at their neck and call and risking his new gf feeling insecure and confused.
I have been that new girlfriend and it's not a nice place to be.

AllsortsofAwkward · 07/06/2020 00:38

Hes keeping his options open op.

GrimDamnFanjo · 07/06/2020 00:45

You are only 18 months in. Cut your losses.

Loveabitofrain · 07/06/2020 09:21

Op I’ve been where you are. It’s bloody hard. I was pretty certain that my now ex wasn’t in love with his ex, but his feelings of huge guilt at leaving his wife, caused him to do things that affected our relationship.

His kids were much older. There wasn’t the constant back and fourth of texts either but he did do things that made me uncomfortable.

You have a choice here; back off and he will eventually put boundaries in, but if he feels like you’re telling him what to do he will rebel, typical make behaviour or leave.

I think they really are your two options, having been in a very very similar position.

You’ll compromise your mental health otherwise x

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