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Is his relationship with his ex too much or is it me?

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Erej · 05/06/2020 21:11

Advice needed as I feel like I'm going mad.

So I have been dating somebody for just over a year. He was with a women for 17 years, they have a 4 year old son, married and still lived together at the time we first met.

I was not very happy about dating a man who was still married albeit separated but still living with his wife so I was very hesitant about getting to know him and catching any sort or feelings plus I had just got out or a relationship myself and wasn’t really ready for anything. He chased me a lot and treat me like a queen with gifts and dinners etc.

He explained to me that the marriage hadn’t worked for a long while and the only reason he still was living in the same house was because he was there for his son. He used to put his son to bed every night then go out and was never at home day or night, he said this was just because of the unpleasant atmosphere and they were not getting on too well and it was awkward.

About 8 months after that he bought a house and moved out and I have been with him ever since, this was a year ago.

We have had a lot of arguments in that time. We are both strong characters and do clash a lot.

So down to the issue!
I would never ever ever want to come between a mother and father of a child at all, I would always encourage a good healthy relationship for the sake of the child and their future. However, I personally feel that a few things are a little questionable and I would really like some advice.
So he is a stand up guy, a very loyal dad and would do anything for his son, but that seems that is goes as far as his child’s mother too.
Firstly, the child is in nursery full time and she doesn’t work at all, he supports her with everything, food, mortgage, house, car etc. Don’t get me wrong, this is nice but he isn’t exactly loaded. Iv seen messages on his phone about him taking her car to get fixed, her sorting his car service for him through a mutual friend along with a few other things. He assures me that they only talk about things to do with their son but I have seen she has sent him pictures of candles all around the lounge when she had a power cut and texts with her wishing him a good night at work and that she was having friends round for drinks etc.
He had his son a couple of nights a week, and he pops to see him a few times between. They speak on the phone a few times a day, when he wakes up, when he goes to sleep and other bits in between, then there is the texts on top of that, images of anything either of them get up to with the child, they get the bouncy castle out, pictures exchange, one of them takes him to the beach, pics exchange, he could be sat on the sofa watching tv and pics are back and forth daily, I understand you want to know your son is ok when not there but this just seems a lot to me!
A few weeks ago we watched a AGT audition where a child with autism sings, I saw that he had sent it to her in a text, I questioned this and he said he was consoling her because she was upset with their sons development.
She knows he is dating somebody else, but he has also told me that she is still in love with him and she holds on to the hope that one day he may go back to her. The kisses on texts only stopped a couple on months ago after I repeatedly told him i felt it was inappropriate and made me uncomfortable. She has turned up at the house a couple of times too, unannounced for random things with no urgency at all.
I have told him how I feel on several occasions but he doesn’t talk about it, we have had several arguments about it, some where I have packed my stuff and left and we haven’t spoken in sometimes weeks at a time. He told me that he hasn’t told him mum about me as she would maybe think less of me for being with a man that is still married. I have asked him when he plans to get a divorce, on several occasions and he has said he will bring it up in September when his son goes to school full time as he doesn’t want the household dynamics to be effected where his son is living as he isn’t sure how she will take it.
Anytime we argue about it all and how I feel about the relationship is a little too intense he gets very defensive, he is a calm guy but when I eventually get a rise out of him he tells me “it’s my son, I have responsibilities, she is the mother to my child” this makes me feel like I am trying to cause an issue between him and his son when I am most certainly not! Every time it comes up he just says “oh same thing again” but he doesn’t talk about it, doesn’t even try to see my side of it, he just tells me I am here with you and you are my priority and then it all starts again and nothing changes. I don’t want to be a nagging women at all but I just feel like something has to give. Is it me? Hmm

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disappear · 06/06/2020 08:33

He told me that he hasn’t told him mum about me as she would maybe think less of me for being with a man that is still married.

Also, don't be anyone's dirty little secret.

namesnames · 06/06/2020 08:53

How ore you managing to see so many txts?

Why would his mum think less of you and not of him?

He's just not that into you, sorry, you don't hide someone you love.

NailsNeedDoing · 06/06/2020 09:09

It’s not at all odd that she would buy him fathers day/Christmas/birthday presents, their son is too young to do it on his own. This is what plenty of separated parents do, and it’s not something you can talk about upsetting you without it coming across badly.

Erej · 06/06/2020 09:19

NNN I get that it's normal for gifts etc of course, I would be a little annoyed if she didn't as he is a great dad. However, he has even said to me that he would not wear said clothing as it's not appropriate when he is with somebody else. That got me thinking about the other things like pictures she sends to the house that she knows she shares with another women, her turning up etc. I thought "are you trying to send me a message here"

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TorkTorkBam · 06/06/2020 09:24

I don't think she is sending you a message. She is doing the Pick Me Dance.

DerbyshireGirly · 06/06/2020 09:27

You've been around for all of five minutes. Stop trying to interfere with their family. Yes, they are still a family, no matter how much you try to pull him away.

Erej · 06/06/2020 09:27

Also, my thoughts too regarding the divorce, this would at least show me that he is serious about me, our future and my feelings towards the situation and things are final and over between the two of them. I have expressed to him that divorce does take years but he said he hopes daily she asks him instead so that he doesn't have to ask her as he doesn't know how she will feel about it. He isn't much of a talker, he is a very calm person and keeps his cards close to his chest and doesn't talk about his feelings much at all. I know he loves me BUT when obviously doesn't respect my feelings towards the situation at all and I don't want to be the lesson that comes between a man and his son (and the wife) all I want is for him to understand that he is with me now and although it's all very well having a good healthy relationship with the mum it's just all far too much and inappropriate 😕

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Erej · 06/06/2020 09:33

Derbyshire. As you can read from my post I am not trying to pull anybody away from any family, I am simply asking for advice on if this situation is too much. I encourage a very good healthy relationship. I am very clear that they are a family and also she will always be in his life and that's fine: I have dated a guy before who has a child and they have a very good relationship, she would come round, collect the child, have a cup of tea, we had each other's numbers etc, it was all very transparent and comfortable. This on the other hand for me is not as it's all very secretive and behind my back. Maybes it's because it is not what I had before, I don't know but I am certainly not trying to break up a healthy relationship or effect his relationship with his son

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TorkTorkBam · 06/06/2020 09:46

all I want is for him to understand that he is with me now
Oh dear.

He told you he does not want to divorce her. His behaviour is that of a man who wants to get back with her.

What are the arrangements for you living in his flat? Do you pay rent? Bills? What happens with housework? Where were you living before you moved in with him and what triggered you moving in with him?

Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 09:46

How do you know he loves you?
His actions are showing you he is not ready. He is having both worlds here.
Wake up

Shinyletsbebadguys · 06/06/2020 10:02

I think this is tricky because we only have one side.

I don't know if it help to hear from a different side. My exdh texts me every morning to see how DC are (absolutely nothing about me unless for example they have been ill in the night and I've been up with them he might say I'm sorry you must be tired but that's it) he rings the DC every evening and if there is anything DC related or for example exdh works in central London and did during riots we will have a quick chat afterwards.

I have a DP, Exdh doesn't. On occasion dp has had to point out where something has been too familiar ,but he has genuinely understood there are absolutely no feelings between us , some of it has been honestly sheer habit, some has been that we are better friends now than we were during our marriage.

Dp and I talk about it all the time and if there is something that makes DP uncomfortable I consider of it is a true parenting need or just a habit .

I also haven't divorced exdh ,its been years and we have both very much not considered ourselves married for a long time but the money to divorce has not been there. Ultimately if the DC need something that comes first than applying for a piece of paper. Having said that if DP was concerned about me being divorced and spoke to me that would be different.

I guess what I am trying to say is this could be exdh and I but there is truly nothing in it. Not even slightly, we both agreed coparenting the DC in the most amicable way was for the best. Living together at the end we were toxic but honestly now there's no need. We spent ten years married and together , hes not going to disappear and hes the df to the DC so he will always be important.

Dp knows he is not second best and if he was concerned then things would change. I buy exdh stuff for birthday and fathers day but it's not from me, it's from the DC, he does the same on mothers day as does DP.

I dont ask for money or favours etc from exdh because I dont need to but if the chips were down and I needed help I may do.

I guess I'm trying to say fair enough if this doesnt work for you ,I can understand it's tough in this situation ,but in and of itself these situations aren't necessarily sinister or that they want to be together. Only you can decide if you can cope with this or whether like my DP you can talk about boundaries in a calm way and he will listen.

Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 10:08

I think a big difference in the above post is your ex is not still telling you he loves you?

Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 10:12

A divorce is more than applying for a piece of paper.
It's like when people say marriage is just a piece if paper. It is a lot more.

They are both big steps. Financially and emotionally.
If he's not ready to face even a conversation about divorce to his ex, they have a big problem and he is not ready for a new relationship the OP is looking for.
There are a lot of times still there and the child is being used as an excuse.

Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 10:13

*ties not times

Erej · 06/06/2020 10:21

Shiny, your situation sounds like a very Amicable
And healthy one. You communicate a lot with everybody involved and everybody's feelings are taken into consideration. This is not the case for me I do not feel 😣 we argued a few nights ago about some messages that were going back and forth, he rolled his eyes at me and said "oh same thing again" this upset me and we have done nothing but exchange a few words since. How does he expect things to not be the same when nothing has changed, not even a conversation or a little understanding. Usually I would just leave and go back to my other home and we wouldn't talk, I am trying a new approach this time, when he finally asks me what's wrong I am going to tell him that until a we have a mature, calm conversation about the situation this is how it will be. I am not letting his bypass my feelings anymore and sweep our problems under the carpet and expect a different outcome. I may loose this battle haha but at least I will know

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Erej · 06/06/2020 10:23

Ariel2020! Good points indeed.

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Erej · 06/06/2020 10:24

Aerial2020 sorry

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Aerial2020 · 06/06/2020 10:25

What a waste of effort OP.
What are you doing with this man?
You're going to wait for him to ask you what's wrong????
Stand up for yourself. He doesn't give a shit by the sounds of it.

SapatSea · 06/06/2020 10:48

He sounds like he has compartmentalised his life. He has his family life and then his life with you. However, you want to be family and it sounds that he is not able or ready to give that to you. He has told you his wife still loves him and that is threatening to you, his wife calls round and shows she is still "in there" and top dog and it makes you feel competitive and jealous. It's a mess for your emotions and even though you should run it causes you to want him more and dig your heels in. It will be a huge wrench but I think you should withdraw and get your independence back. He would be ok as a casual bf but if you are looking (as I think you are) for a serious LT relationship then this is messy. If you make any sort of landgrab and he gives ground to you, eventually he will resent you for creating discord. He is still too involved with his ex and she is not letting go. Wrong time for you.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 06/06/2020 11:01

Erej I can totally understand that, it's the crux isn't it , it's not just the situation it's the fact he won't listen to your concerns. That bit for me would be a problem. Dp and I have had mixed times , he has brought up issues hes quite right were over the line and were sheer habit. Those stopped immediately . There have been some that I have come back and explained why the DC need it to happen and DP has accepted and understood, but you are absolutely right you should be heard and listened to and it should be discussed. It sounds sensible to keep telling him when it occurs, I complete own that I have been bewildered when DP brought something up because I honestly hadn't seen it in the same way , but your dp absolutely needs to listen and take it on board. It's not ok to dismiss your feelings.

aSofaNearYou · 06/06/2020 11:41

He really has no business being in a relationship, he hasn't figured out how to balance the different elements of his life yet in a way that is fair to you.

Frankola · 06/06/2020 12:09

He remains completely entwined with his wife I'm afraid.

There is far too much attachment between them. It sounds like there are no boundaries whatsoever.

My advice in all honesty is that this is way too complicated and too much of an emotional minefield for anyone to be in.

I'm sorry but there cannot be a future here realistically!

Pebblexox · 06/06/2020 12:13

This isn't an argument you're going to win with him. I understand where you're coming from, but it sounds to me he's making his son his priority which is the most important thing. Therefore mum comes as a package deal.
You just have to decide if you can live with that, or not. If not then you have to break up with him. She's going to be a part of his life, for the rest of his life.

EllenOlenska · 06/06/2020 14:40

Don't be my BIL's girlfriend/fiancee. He had an affair 19 years ago. His wife found out. Gave him ultimatum, he chose OW as it was easier, wouldn't be coming home to angst and have to work at anything. They sold the house. All good you would think? He "proposed" to OW 6 mths later.

Cut to today, he is STILL married, STILL lives with the OW/GF/fiancee and shows absolutely no signs whatsoever of filing for divorce.

There weren't and aren't any children involved.

Erej · 06/06/2020 15:10

I think I look at the whole divorce as I sign that he is taking my feelings into consideration and he respects me and my feelings enough to do something about it and put me first in any sort of way. He knows it makes me feel uncomfortable being with a man that is still married but still doesn't do anything about it. I don't want to be the women that gives him ultimatums BUT the reality of it all is I am in this relationship to and my feelings should be heard.

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