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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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MsTSwift · 03/06/2020 18:30

Also who the hell choose their husband on the grounds “well at least he’s not....an axe murderer “ or something! Most women have slightly higher standards...

woaiwoaiwoai · 03/06/2020 18:33

1 He will not change
2 Very lucky you are not married and no kids.
3 29 is very young and it's good to have this experience. It will help you to find who really fits you.

Everybody has weakness but this is something which is not to be ignored and it is unacceptable.

You would rather by yourself than being with him.

CaraDune · 03/06/2020 18:34

@SummerWhisper

There is a simple thing to remember:

People rarely pretend to be nasty when they are not nasty. So when nasty rears its head and gets expertly buried in the nice, you know the nasty is the truth.

That's a brilliant observation!
backseatcookers · 03/06/2020 18:34

@20mum

Your advice is the most spectacularly ridiculous and damaging I've ever read.

Hopefully OP had listened to enough of the rest of us to realise that.

If you aren't a troll then I hope you don't take your own advice or you must have a horrible life.

He only wants, out of all of them, exactly the same one you want.

OP wants a monogamous relationship that is mutually kind, exclusive and loving.

Her partner is happy to call women sluts, humiliate them and pay for the privilege.

Now he says she is "the biggest slut in the country" at a time OP feels vulnerable and wants support and love.

Not really the same thing is it?

Honestly I hope you're a troll. Otherwise I'm embarrassed for you.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 18:37

^ It was just goofy. Best ignored.

CooperLooper · 03/06/2020 18:39

@20mum are you fucking mad - are you actually justifying him cheating on his fiancée repeatedly with prostitutes because it's not the same as selling cocaine? Or sleeping with her sister? What a frightening perspective on life you have, good grief.

YouJustDoYou · 03/06/2020 18:39

He will never change. You would always be in a friendship/flatmate relationship. He uses and abuses vulnerable women. Run.

wildone84 · 03/06/2020 18:43

@20mum

Since you have a particular preference in bed, and haven't tried, and will continue to want to, maybe at least try a small tester experiment with someone you know, before you throw him away?. If it's no good, you're cured of the curiosity. But if it's fine, you have the option of continuing, with him on probation, while you both settle. Sharing games isn't a disaster if both fully agree. But of course, as other posts say, it's one thing to want to just pretend in tying up games, as long as you don't rush into any more bonds, for a year or two. You aren't yet tied together by marriage, and more to the point, not tied down by children.

Maybe a sènse of proportion would help? You didn't find him in bed with your sister and/or your best friend, or your father! You didn't discover he has a secret wife and children. He wasn't arrested selling cocaine. He didn't murder anyone. He wasn't tormenting kittens. Men often do get imprinted on repeating early experiences. At least he doesn't want to dress as an adult baby, or try to persuade you to go to orgies, or a thousand other peculiarities. He only wants, out of all of them, exactly the same one you want.

Even if she is into BDSM stuff, how on earth is she going to enjoy being sexually humiliated by this man in the future, knowing that he's done it with countless prostitutes (who incidentally look like her?)

Also these sexual practices should ideally not happen in a situation where she has already been horribly humiliated and betrayed.

The amount of alcohol or mental & emotional gymnastics, you'd need to put yourself through that experience, would be insane. Not to mention the trauma afterwards.

Dery · 03/06/2020 18:44

@Bluebell0724

It's great that you have RL support though I'm slightly concerned that your friends are saying they will support you whatever you decide as if you can afford to do anything other than cut this guy completely loose. Perhaps you haven't shared as much of the detail with them as you have with us.

Please STOP engaging with this man. He's a psychopath and dangerous to ALL women. As PP have said - he didn't treat you well - he rejected you sexually throughout your relationship because of his own fucked up madonna/whore thinking. He thinks women who express their sexuality are sluts who should be humiliated and he dehumanises the prostitutes he sleeps with to such an extent that he doesn't even regard it as infidelity. He starts slavering over you because he suddenly decides that you fall into the 'slut' category - and you see a look in his eyes that you've never seen before. That's the predator emerging. The man who sees his prey - his victim whom he can now sexually humiliate and dominate. And remember most men are physically stronger than most women and in a physical fight the woman will lose.

Really let the meaning of those things sink in. This is true woman-hating stuff and it runs really deep and it is really dangerous. I think he is capable of being one of those men who goes on to kill. An acquaintance of mine had a long-term relationship with a man - they even got engaged but without warning he ended the relationship while they were planning their wedding. She required therapy to get over the associated shock and pain. Several years later - he's in the papers - charged with and subsequently convicted for having murdered a foreign sex worker. It happens.

Block him. Have nothing more to do with him. If you are alone where you are at present, you might want to go to another household - where you have company - I think you are technically escaping an abuse situation, though you didn't realise you were being abused, and therefore have a reasonable excuse for taking that step. I think he is a danger to you and I'm a bit alarmed at the thought that you might be alone in your house.

Dery · 03/06/2020 18:46

Btw - my husband and I play with BDSM from time to time. What he's doing has nothing to do with healthy, consensual BDSM.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 18:47

I wouldn't be surprised if there's even worse stuff you don't yet know about him, OP. I've had that feeling since the beginning of the thread, i.e., that the stuff he liked to do with prostitutes is very, very disturbing. Just as you think he can't get any more distasteful and weird, he says something else that tops it and is even more of a head fuck, so it really wouldn't surprise me.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 18:48

@MsTSwift it’s certainly an idea. I would be leaving my family and friends behind but psychologically it may do me good

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Brawsome · 03/06/2020 18:49

If I have read this right, he was using prostitutes BEFORE he knew you. That is who he is. This will never change - that will be your future.

wildcherries · 03/06/2020 18:50

What he's doing has nothing to do with healthy, consensual BDSM.

Absolutely this. He's an abuser, and you should run as fast as you can, OP. This is such disturbing reading.

lovelocks · 03/06/2020 18:53

You’ll stay with him. I can tell by the replies.

If you was that disgusted by his actions you wouldn’t still be talking to him or going for walks with him trying to ‘understand’ his issues. Sorry to sound harsh but it’s the truth.

You are also not helping him by also agreeing with the whole madonna - whore issue by the way you are talking about prostitutes! It’s only a fraction who are exploited and I know two women who are escorts both are very well educated (one even went to private school) and both come from good families, no abuse, no trauma, they are definitely not being sexually exploited and both seem very happy with their lives. They both work on the AW site. I would never judge them and actually they both come across as very powerful women which I admire. You can’t assume all prostitutes are forced into sex work many and I mean many choose to do the work they do, enjoy it and make a great income from it. The men that use these escorts are usually more messed up than the woman being paid.

You can’t ‘love’ away HIS problems. His issues are deep rooted and I’m sure even the most skill physiologist would have a hard time helping him make changes so you really don’t stand a chance.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 18:54

@Dery no I had no idea it would be seen as an abuse situation. I’m so sorry for your friend what an awful thing to go through but it shows y oh never know I suppose

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 18:57

he dehumanises the prostitutes he sleeps with to such an extent that he doesn't even regard it as infidelity.

Yeah it was very notable that he said he'd been "otherwise faithful" and actually thinks he deserves credit for not taking any cheating opportunities with non-prostitutes.

He's the type who thinks having sex with sex workers doesnt count and isn't really cheating. They're also quick to point it out as something their partners should grateful for "well it was only an impersonal, meaningless, transaction with a working girl, it isnt like I had an affair ... I could have had an affair" etc.

There's no changing the thinking of men like this.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 18:57

Thank you for everyone’s advice in struggling to reply individually for everything but I’m reading and taking on board everything that is being said. Thanks again

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Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 18:58

Well, he has bern lying to you about who he is and sleeping with prostitutes whilst also sleeping with you. And now he is trying to mind fuck you into thinking that a strong relationship should weather such things. If it wasnt abuse before,it certainly is now. Psychological abuse. No, warfare even.

wildone84 · 03/06/2020 19:00

@lovelocks

You’ll stay with him. I can tell by the replies.

If you was that disgusted by his actions you wouldn’t still be talking to him or going for walks with him trying to ‘understand’ his issues. Sorry to sound harsh but it’s the truth.

You are also not helping him by also agreeing with the whole madonna - whore issue by the way you are talking about prostitutes! It’s only a fraction who are exploited and I know two women who are escorts both are very well educated (one even went to private school) and both come from good families, no abuse, no trauma, they are definitely not being sexually exploited and both seem very happy with their lives. They both work on the AW site. I would never judge them and actually they both come across as very powerful women which I admire. You can’t assume all prostitutes are forced into sex work many and I mean many choose to do the work they do, enjoy it and make a great income from it. The men that use these escorts are usually more messed up than the woman being paid.

You can’t ‘love’ away HIS problems. His issues are deep rooted and I’m sure even the most skill physiologist would have a hard time helping him make changes so you really don’t stand a chance.

You're obviously not speaking from any real experience or knowledge, on both counts (being in the sex industry or being in an abusive relationship.)

Most people do not leave these relationships overnight, it is a process.

Dery · 03/06/2020 19:01

@Bluebell0724

No - and that's understandable because you have just uncovered all this horrifying information about the man you thought you were going to marry and with whom you thought you were safe. But you have already confirmed you had poor relationship role models growing up and that your previous BF treated you very badly and I can see why what this man provided seemed so very different, but I think you have unknowingly been a victim of abuse here too. And I am really scared for you now as I think he's a psychopathic predator when it comes to women and you're now in the 'prey' category. Please think about taking yourself to safety. And please, please stop entertaining conversations with him. You have mentioned you're religious. I am somewhat religious myself and can promise you that God would not be expecting you to sort this out. Leave that to professional psychiatrists - if this guy ever seeks that out for himself.

Please also look into extended therapy for yourself. You've clearly been dealt a truly sh1t hand in the relationship stakes and it's going to take a lot of unpacking.

AllAboutHallowsEve · 03/06/2020 19:03

I'm sorry to put this so bluntly but it sounds like he doesn't have any interest in making love to the woman he supposedly loves, but does want to fuck women who mean nothing to him. Personally, I would never trust him again after this.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 19:04

lovelocks - I know what you mean but I think Bluebell0724 is just processing it, as someone else rightly said - this will happen on her timescale not ours. It was only yesterday that the thread was created.

I'm just very relieved you have people IRL that are disgusted, OP, such as his sister disowning him. I felt very afraid at the beginning of the thread that the OP's religious cohort were going to persuade her to forgive.

I don't think there's any coming back from this now, Bluebell is too disgusted. Bluebell, do you agree with that?

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 19:06

@lovelocks I think you are right in that I was considering maybe giving him a choice in the future but since reaching out for advice and support my eyes have been opened to
The fact that he is doing is manipulation. I thought he was being somewhat genuine before I’m his explanations.

I accept you have friends who work as escorts and I’m sure there are a few women who want to do it etc but personally from the easily accessible data on prostitution it cannot be something I would ever promote. However I don’t think any women should be stigmatised because of it. I however think the buyers of sex should be stigmatised. I don’t buy the argument that they enjoy their work they are paid to have sex at a whim with random men how the man wants not how they want. From what my now ex fiancé has told me and what I have researched since men who buy sex dehumanise the women. They want them to do acts they consider too humiliating and or painful for ‘real’ women. Sex workers also have the highest levels of PTSD much higher than the armed forces. They are at high risk of violence and death. They have higher than average levels of poverty, sexual abuse in their past, addictions, domestic violence etc

It is not an industry I support personally think it perpetuates gender equality. If you can buy a woman she will never be equal. Ironically ex fiancé knew all my views. He never challenged them but he remained quiet when I would go on my rants about the sex industry. I would have never believed why though

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 19:10

@MarronCat yes I don’t see me being able to get over this. There’s just so much disgust. What he did. How he did it. How he treated women. How could I get over that realistically?

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