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I caught DH snooping on me...

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39Suzy · 01/06/2020 20:49

Well, this is a long one so apologies in advance.

DH for 6 years, together for 22 (yup) years. One DC aged 1.

He is an emotional abuser - i know this. He criticises everything i do, and everyone i know. He belittles me, treats me like shit, then apologises when I eventually lose it. As soon as I flip (and sometimes it can be days and days of 'you didn't put the iron back straight' or constantly leaving a toilet seat up deliberately deciding that actually, I put too many kidney beans in the chilli rendering it inedible), he laughs, says I have an anger problem, and puts all the blame on me.

He has been violent in the past, twice trying to strangle me - the last time about 3 years ago, the police were called and he was interviewed (nothing happenedas i wouldn'tgive a statementbut I know it's on record). The previous time was after my hen do - he accused me of sleeping with a colleague 12 years my junior, saw a photo on Facebook, came home from work and literally launched me across the room and pinned me against the wall by my neck. I managed to get him off me and ran. Each time he has sworn not to do it again.

He had counselling previously which works wonders but he has refused /lied about going in the last few years. Apparently, 'he can't help it'.

He is constantly accusing me of cheating- even last week (I literally go as far as our local shop 100m away without him at the moment) and for years has checked my phone and even threatened needing a paternity test all the way through pregnancy. I have confronted him before and once or twice he has admitted it and apologised. The irony is is that the week before we got married (and days after he tried to strangle me), i had a letter saying that he had been seeing someone. To be honest,i know it was someone he works with and dismissed it as a fib,someone that was just jealous but there was always a tiny doubt which he swore blind he was completelyinnocent. He has, when we have argued, told me that he has slept with prostitutes. I have no idea whether to believe it or not. He says later he just says it to hurt me.

So like I mentioned, he has periodically (i think) checked my phone... little questions like 'did you speak to anyone today' or 'have you heard of x lately' has led me to believe he has been logging into my accounts on and off (maybe more on than off). My last phone i had missed several messages inexplicably, as if someone had already read them so i didn't see any notifications. He put it down to a glitch whenever i asked him outright if he had read them. So... new phone arrives a few weeks ago, i always leave it around the house locked when i am off pottering or chasing the one year old (despite the accusations that it is always in my hand ). Over the weekend i had an inkling he had looked at it (phone moved and not on the same screen i had locked it on) so I Googled to see if you can get an app... and guess what, you bloody can. So i downloaded the app, and waited.....

Five times in 24 hours the CF has been on my phone snooping at messages and even who I called (and trust me,it's a dull list). And each time this app captures what he looked at, how long he spent, and even his ugly mugshot. I can't message friends about it as he reads every single message.

As far as I am concerned, I already knew this relationship was over. He is a nightmare to live with and it's just not fair on my baby. But how do I confront him?

My instinct is to wait at least a week or so and let the evidence build up then email it him at work and ask him to print it off (alongside divorce for unreasonable behaviour advice). No,i would not see the look on his face when he realises he has been caught out but actually, i think it would be the best option as otherwise he will just explode (can't do thatat work, he is front line emergency services).

And also, i want this resolving as amicably as possible- previously when I have suggested splitting he has threatened to take everything, even my baby off me (and says he has video evidence of me losingmy temper which I dont believe). My father passed away recently and he knows I will have an inheritance which he is already spending, but equally it has also given me the finances to set up on my own away from him.

Can I organise a petition for divorce without him agreeing to it? Can I force him to sell the house? Both are things previously he said he would refuse to do.

No idea where to start with it all...

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Vodkacranberryplease · 09/06/2020 11:57

Not good at all. You are definitely doing what you can though, clever you pretending to make less. Does this app give you reports you can use of his snooping?

Don't confront him - there is no point. I've just encouraged a poster on another thread to wind up her narcissistic self pitying boyfriend but this is different. Very very different.

He's obviously put money in his own account. Think about whether you can lead him down a false trail. Whether that's getting money in the joint account you can grab, making him think you aren't leaving, just be safe.

Re housing - could you house sit? In return maybe for keeping the gardens in order or whatever? Could you do a live in temporary arrangement somewhere? Could you rotate a week here and there with siblings just till you get some money together? Could you put the word out somehow that you need to stay somewhere free for a couple of months or even weeks? Is there anything in the house you can sell? On gumtree while he's out for cash maybe?

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39suzy · 09/06/2020 12:25

Yes the app gives dates, times, what exactly he looked at (apps) and a mugshot so fairly compelling.

My siblings are spread out over the country, 200miles apart so no, not viable. And as I mentioned, I work (from home at the moment) and not giving that up right now. I have a few options I am mulling over. I can't do much arranging in the next few weeks so I have some time.

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Vodkacranberryplease · 09/06/2020 14:04

Ok wow you have some amazing proof which I'm sure you've safely stashed somewhere safe too. That's actually the smoking gun - so I'm sure you will figure the rest out. You are one very smart lady!!

You could pretend 'a fraudster' rang pretending to be from the bank maybe send a couple of fake panicked texts to friends/siblings about it which gives you a good reason to look into it online. Perhaps when you know he can't be reached? Get someone to phone you number withheld? All a bit cloak and dagger I know but plausible enough and he will find 'proof' on your phone.

It all comes down to how much he suspects you. I know from my own experiences that they are paranoid AF because they assume everyone else has their dark and twisted mentality. money is a big control thing for them too so they are always on high alert.

My thoughts would be around finding a way to create an emergency perhaps that required the transfer of money to the joint account, and finding a way to safely get to the pension and mortgage accounts. WFH is great when he goes back.

You could even leave a huge fake trail here with another name (that he can find) asking what you can do to get your relationship back, worried he doesn't love you blah blah fucking blah.

You are much cleverer than he is. He is cunning and paranoid and nasty and arrogant but you will outsmart him. Yes he's dangerous but that doesn't mean you have to lose everything. He knows what the law will do if he goes too far. And I doubt he wants to go to prison.

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39suzy · 09/06/2020 19:24

No not spoken to my GP as not had any time when they are open but he isn't here / around.

I have the original police officer's contact details so going to email them tonight to ask what's on record and advice.

Have also filled my friend in on email (work account and she has told me to go to her house immediately if it all kicks off) and used my work phone to contact another friend (who is amazing with these circumstances and really good at sniffing out places to live etc) so just waiting on a reply. Both would help with anything at the drop of a hat.

May be weeks before I go but at least i feel in control for a change.

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Vodkacranberryplease · 09/06/2020 20:36

Fantastic. That's absolutely the mist you can do under the circumstances. Nearly there!!!!!

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jbee1979 · 09/06/2020 20:49

Well done with everything! You're getting everything under control.

I used to work in a bank, if we were advised of a dispute by either member of a joint account, we had to freeze the account. Maybe worth thinking about, don't tell the bank anything, if his card stops working, he'll know you've been getting your ducks in order.

May not be the same now, but it was designed to stop one person taking off with all the money.

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GracieLouFreebushh · 09/06/2020 23:06

OP it sounds like you're doing great - I'm glad you feel in control now. I hope the police are helpful - they might even be able to help you get an occupation order. This might be worth thinking about if you're struggling to find somewhere appropriate to stay. Then he could move out until the house is sold and you can buy your own places. I found this which gives some info on occupation orders. With him working for emergency services if you get a non-molestation order, he would have to be very careful about breaking this as it would impact his ability to work. This might give you some peace and control.

I think you're doing the right thing sharing as then this can be used as part of your evidence. You have quite a bit towards coercive control with him blocking you from financial information that is yours and also the proof of being on your phone.

Please stay safe

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GracieLouFreebushh · 09/06/2020 23:07
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MaraScottie · 09/06/2020 23:19

Stay strong OP, what an utter prick of a man.

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39suzy · 10/06/2020 18:14

@GracieLouFreebushh thanks that is really useful. Exactly, i do not want him to lose his job, this would have implications for all of us, but this seems like a logical thing to do.

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GracieLouFreebushh · 10/06/2020 19:41

@39Suzy you're doing great 😊

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Frankola · 10/06/2020 21:51

Please dont confront him.
Sort out getting out of there and do so at the first opportunity.
Please leave, I'm genuinely scared for you and your child.

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 19:27

@GracieLouFreebushh do you know what sort of evidence I would need for a civil order?

Had to set up a new account (phone has been water damaged, now thinking deliberately and my PWs were all changed recently and are on that phone on a doc).

I have not been able to do much as we have been on leave, and TBH, he seemed to calm somewhat, stopped checking my phone, stopped picking at me. One night I said in the nicest possible way that I was worried and thought there was something up, I mentioned the day I physically caught him looking at my phone and he flipped. Started gaslighting, I'd ruined the week off etc. That blew over and then yesterday he did the same, I started getting a bit impatient, moved the dog from round my ankles and he lost his shit. Continued this morning and I actually videoed him (can't see anything but you can hear him). He made out he was calling the police accusing me of threatening to kill my child as I came upstairs and locked us both in the bedroom whilst I worked out what to do. He made out the police were on their way so I set my phone to record, he realised after a few minutes and grabbed it off my / my arm. Yesterday he said he would stay here until he killed me... in such a calm way, he is just a complete psycho. In the recording today I mentioned this and he just yelled that it wasn't true. To me it just sounds obvious he is lying as he is saying I am making it up, and he sounds so aggressive too.

Would this and the checking my phone be enough proof for an order given the previous history? He is at work tomorrow and I have a friend I have confided in who has been doing some research but I have not had chance to speak to her for 2 weeks as he has been here constantly.

I think I would go for a few days, get the temporary order, then a permanent one.

I got the house valued last week - it was his idea - so at least I know where I stand with that. He still thinks I would get nothing...

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MaraScottie · 29/06/2020 19:47

OP in the kindest way, why are you even in discussions with him! You cannot talk rationally to a man like that. Say nothing at all, keep him sweet until you have all your ducks in a row. Then make your move.

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Butterbean11 · 29/06/2020 20:26

OP, can you take DC out for a walk and make calls to your friend re alternative accommodation while out of the house?? Just make sure you delete your call history.

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 21:22

@MaraScottie I'm not discussing anything with him ?

@butterbean I could but that would give me little time before he came looking for me / made him suspicious and he started digging deeper. As I said in my post above, He is at work tomorrow which gives me time. And in my earlier posts I mention I have a work phone I can use whilst working without rounding suspicion for texting etc

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MaraScottie · 29/06/2020 21:25

Sorry Suzy, I just meant the part where you said you told him you thought something was up.

I know I'm not in your position, but I'd just be inclined to totally play nice, bite your tongue and not rock the boat, just until you can get everything lined up.

Wishing you all the best.

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 21:27

@MaraScottie that's what I am trying to do 😉

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Skyla2005 · 29/06/2020 21:32

Can he see this if his snooping on your phone ?

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 21:45

@Skyla2005

Can he see this if his snooping on your phone ?

The app tells me what he looks at and so far, not IE
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thebeachismyhappyplace2 · 29/06/2020 21:54

What is the app called as I wouldn’t mind downloading it myself?

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 22:00

@thebeachismyhappyplace2

What is the app called as I wouldn’t mind downloading it myself?

Wtmp (who touched my phone) details earlier in the thread
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Horehound · 29/06/2020 22:01

The threat of killing you...do you have that recorded?I'd e logging the threat with police anyway. Log fucking everything.

But I'll tell you what. If a man ever said that to me, i would be out of there like a shot.
I'm kind of screaming to you through my phone. Get the hell out of there and go to your friends. Work from her home and look after your baby there. Ffs.

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Suzy40 · 29/06/2020 22:16

@Horehound no I don't, I recorded me relaying that he had done that and him denying it saying I had made it up.

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PasstheBucket89 · 29/06/2020 22:17

I second @Horehound get out of there!!! threatening to kill, locking you in the bedroom? Shock

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