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Marriage has crashed spectacularly, what now?

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SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 10:41

This is my first post. It has been a long time coming and it’s going to be a long one. I am in a right state and need some guidance.

I have been married for 14 years to a man I thought I was very well suited to and loved to bits. We have 3 dc (aged 7,10,12). It has been a very rocky road, with many close calls re separating and divorce. Some background info - he works at sea so is away more than half the year for long stretches of time with a very unpredictable schedule. I used to work in a stressful profession, all childcare arrangements fell to me to manage while he was away. It was unrewarding (in every way other than financially) and unsustainably stressful. I have suffered on and off with depression, but feel I finally have it under control (with medication, CBT etc). He comes from a very unstable home, with an abusive father he dislikes. My parents are still together - no abuse in the home but definitely a power dynamic that I don’t want for myself.

I stopped working in 2012 when his career started earning well. We are comfortably off so me staying at home has given him the freedom to focus on his job while I hold the fort at home. We are generally careful with money - we put extra into the mortgage every year, have a second hand car that is adequate, don’t go on extravagant holidays etc. But he always seems to be stressed out about money and has taken to keeping a close eye on any money I spend and having a go at me about it. I manage all the bills and am cautious so I don’t feel that this is appropriate or fair. I don’t spend money on clothes, hairdresser or anything like that, mostly just my gardening hobby or things for the kids and the house.

Our family life has become very unhappy. My husband is not emotionally invested in his family or his home - he sees coming home as his time to relax and recharge and gets very resentful when things are not to his liking - he wants to spend time exercising, resting, doing the odd chores that he chooses and being sexually fulfilled. He expects the house to be clean and minimal (he constantly throws things away if he considers them unnecessary without asking). This infuriates me and we clash often, but nothing gets resolved. I do shout at him and initiate arguments because he makes me so angry. I get very anxious when he is about to come home and often withdraw when he is at home because I don’t feel in charge.

Lately he has constantly been making derogatory comments about our home and the area we live in and the people around us and makes jokes about escaping to a beach ‘somewhere’. He is rude to me and says I am lazy and lie on the couch on my phone for hours and constantly berates me for not getting a job. My confidence is at an all time low and the thought of applying for a job terrifies me.

I know I am painting a grim picture. These are the bad bits and it’s not like that all the time. When he is in a good mood it’s great. He loves his kids and spends a lot of time playing with them, but I feel alone when it comes to the challenging bits - getting them to help around the house, homework etc. His contribution is to shout at them. I definitely do shout as well but I am trying to implement better practices - routines backed up with positive praise etc. He just operates according to his own will and ignores any routines I have set up.

I have been alone at home with my children for almost 6 weeks during lockdown. It has been hell. Homeschooling is a nightmare and I have really been struggling, especially with my oldest who has a massive workload posted online daily by his Grammar School. My son has disconnected with his homework and suffers from low mood and is now doing almost nothing. This has me very worried so I spoke to my husband about it on the phone and his approach is to just ignore all work set by the school as “we are not teachers and it is not our responsibility“. He promised that he would be helpful and try and ease the load at home etc.

So. He came home on Friday. The house was clean and tidy, the garden was squared away and watered. The laundry basket was under control and the shopping situation was fine as I had managed to do a big shop. He basically got to do what he wanted when he wanted and all was rosy all weekend. Monday comes around and he got up early, I had a lie in. I asked him to wake our son up to start school. He didn’t. When I did wake up he made the statement “I am not fighting with anybody about homework, I just want to enjoy my son and not see him cry”. I was furious but said nothing. He sent me to Screwfix to get him some decking oil. When I got back he started painting and I worked outside with him on the garden. I started an argument by saying I was annoyed that he hadn’t woken ds up and unimpressed with his attitude towards homeschooling. Argument escalated so I walked inside and tried to get my son involved in his schoolwork. Husband follows me inside and a MASSIVE fight erupts where he is calling me nasty and stupid and spiteful and that I just go round picking fights with everybody. He then starts shouting that he will punch me, all in front of his son who is now sobbing his terrified heart out and begging to be do his homework so the argument will stop. I have to hold my hand up at this point and say that I was not a silent cowering victims - I was answering with equally nasty insults. When he repeatedly threatened to punch me something in me broke and I felt DISGUST for him and mocked him. I wasn’t scared, just disgusted.

Husband has now withdrawn to the dressing cupboard of our room. He is lying on the floor in the dark and refuses to engage with anybody. He is a mixture of seething rage at me and self hatred. He says he will stay there for the week until he has to go to sea again. And then we will go our separate ways. He says things like “it will be b tree for the kids if I am not involved in their lives”.

I go from being fine one moment to bursting into uncontrollable tears the next. I am torn between loving this man and being concerned about his welfare to wanting to tear him to shreds for doing this.

Where do I even start? And how the hell will I ever be able to repair the damage done to my beautiful children?

OP posts:
SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 18:51

Randomer, you can piss off now.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 20/05/2020 18:51

Great that your son will get some support through this.
Well done OP.

He's neither your problem, nor your concern.
He is responsible for himself.

Minecraft is a wonderful game. I have some very big university going boys who play it with large groups of friends.
They find it very relaxing and a break from the shooting games.

It's a hugely popular game, just like Lego is.
My daughters have played it with friends too.

SeriouslySoDoneIn · 20/05/2020 19:01

You both sound like absolutely awful parents. Those poor children.

randomer · 20/05/2020 19:16

Thanks, but I won't.Why does a stressed little boy need more stress ie a selective Secondary school?
The world may be wiped out due to Covid, somebody says he doesn't want to do homework. OK don't do it?

Nancydrawn · 20/05/2020 19:22

@randomer, paying the bills doesn't give you license to act like a dick or hurl abuse at your kids.

FFS.

randomer · 20/05/2020 19:23

No, never in a million years.

But "lets have some fun and not do homework" seems quite reasonable.

Any how the cupboard sounds quite large.

SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 19:29

Thanks Seriously, I’m sure you are brilliant and have never put a foot wrong.

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Nancydrawn · 20/05/2020 19:29

The size of the cupboard only makes it less worrisome, not less ridiculous.

Two parents should be able to have a conversation (even a healthy fight/disagreement) about different approaches to homework without one of them threatening to punch another.

Smart kids get to go to grammar school and be anxious about schoolwork. Plenty of bright kids are anxiety-prone--it's not a reason to chuck in good education nor is it an essential fault in her son.

SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 19:39

Nancy, thank you for that. I think you are right - my son’s anxiety and introversion are something we would have been dealing with regardless of what school he went to.

His two younger brothers have very different personalities and academic levels so where they go to school will be a different choice, also carefully made taking into account what would suit them best.

I feel like some posters are under the impression that this is about homework - it’s not. It’s about an unhealthy marriage.

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randomer · 20/05/2020 19:43

I apoloogise for any nasty comments.I hope it works out somehow

Nancydrawn · 20/05/2020 19:52

Of course, OP.

Look, my husband and I fight sometimes. We disagree, we argue, and sometimes we're unpleasant about it. That happens in almost all marriages. But we don't hurt each other; we don't scare each other; and there are lines in the sand that neither of us crosses (because hurt is more than physical).

I would be utterly shocked if parents all over the country weren't having arguments about homeschooling and homework. I would imagine a small percentage of those fights gets abusive and almost none ends with a husband locking himself in a closet.

I get that he's ashamed and angry with himself. But if he truly wanted to change, he would seek help when he wasn't in his anger cycle. I'm sorry he hasn't gotten over his trauma, but that isn't license to give his kids their own trauma.

Anyway, I think you sound human and sensible, and I wish you the best.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 20/05/2020 20:15

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Winter2020 · 20/05/2020 20:17

"We don’t have any games consoles, we are already struggling to reduce the time the kids spend in front of a screen so didn’t want to exacerbate that problem."

I totally know what you mean but I feel that at the minute it's one of the very few ways that my son can have a decent interaction with anyone his own age (his brother is two). He has recently had a "socially distanced" bike around the park with his cousin.

My post about gaming consoles came to my mind today and I did want to add that my son's console is on our TV in our living room (our only TV) and he uses a "kinnect" for chatting (it's in the room not a mic and headphones) so there is very little danger of any ongoing bullying/nastiness becoming a problem as if anyone if not nice (including my own son) I either chip in or tell my son to log off if people are not getting along.

The fact that we sometimes want to watch TV or simply not have my son's friends "in" our living room does limit the time he plays as it is sometimes great for him but sometimes I can't be doing with it! I wouldn't recommend it being in bedroom/headphones on as it could be a source of unpleasantness. I think the fact the kids know there are adults in the room probably limits any ideas of ganging up on anyone etc.

This is not meant as a criticism just something to consider if I might be right (or completely wrong!) but you sound a little bit like you think your son will be picked on/bullied/left out before it has happened. Is it possible he will simply make some nice friends? (although of course all kids friendships will have their moments).

BumbleBeee69 · 20/05/2020 20:25

OP to all intents and purposes you are a single parent, albeit a financially secure one...

Your DH will loathe this question .. so do I.. because it's always the first thing I am asked on arriving home from Sea...

So.. How long is he home for ? can you tolerate him until he leaves again then seek legal council ... in your own time without the added stress and secrecy.. Flowers

SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 20:31

When I talked to my psychologist last night I got very specific advice from him on what to do in the event it became clear DH needed help with his MH. He told me exactly what to look for and who to call, which was very reassuring.

I can safely say now that DH has not had a mental breakdown, but needed an extended period of time on his own to calm down and reset. He emerged from the room early this morning and has been putting in a subdued appearance around the house. I have avoided any type of confrontation with him and have either been busy with the kids or kept to myself.

I have an appointment with my psychologist tomorrow to discuss how to move things forward from here. I am relieved to have access to professional help for all of family.

I appreciate all (well, most) of the responses on this thread. Thank you for taking the time to respond and for sharing your insights. It is obviously a multifaceted problem but I feel I have clearer head now and fairly good idea of the next steps. Take care.

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Isthisit22 · 20/05/2020 20:52

You sound very intelligent and you are doing your best for you boys OP. But life is way too short to live with a man who hides in a cupboard for days. It's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here. However at the same time I can only imagine how awful the atmosphere must be and how your kids are growing up walking on egg shells.
Get him to stay elsewhere at the very least--rentals are open again now. Keep this mess away from your kids.

BumbleBeee69 · 20/05/2020 20:53

Good luck OP and stay safe ... sounds like your doing an amazing job all in Flowers

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 20/05/2020 22:09

Wishing you well OP.

You’ve got this lass Flowers

Aerial2020 · 20/05/2020 23:10

@ilovemydogandmrobama2

Your first line was a complete excuse for abusive behaviour. Everything you said after that doesn't really mean anything after saying it's called a 'breakdown '

He has complete control of what he's doing. That's not a breakdown.

OP I hope you find a way through this
Keep focusing on your kids and you'll be ok.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 21/05/2020 06:48

@Aerial2020 - Fair enough. Have asked for my post to be deleted, and lesson learned.

HarrietTheShy · 21/05/2020 07:18

When is he next away with work? I'd use that time to sort out your escape plan.

Poshmilana · 21/05/2020 07:30

as a single mum who went through a messy divorce my advice would be to go and speak to someone, on your own at first then as a couple, it must be worth fighting for when the kids are involved, it does seem toxic as others have said

GilbertMarkham · 21/05/2020 08:45

I got about three quarters of the way through your op and thought your DH is abusive and dysfunctional on several fronts tbh.

Mix56 · 21/05/2020 08:53

Bit late here, IMHO, going & sulking in the cupboard for 2 days is totally unacceptable, he has a responsible job, being at sea is NOT desperately hard, it can be monotonous, but you are taken care of & are never asked to do more than your "job". All the domestic stuff is magically done for you. What would the Captain think about him shutting himself in his cabin for 2 days ?
He has checked out of any further involvement than providing a salary. he comes home to relax, have sex & hopefully enjoy quiet well bought up children. who he has in no way helped to form.
he is lazy, childlike & abusive. Over & above his demons.
You sound kind, caring & intelligent & have done everything you can to save this marriage.
I hope your therapy helps you see clearly,
Your H won't get help for himself. Abusive people don't.
Wait till he leaves again, set the divorce in motion.

copycopypaste · 21/05/2020 20:07

I'm still aghast that a grown adult, with presumably a job can be so immature that he needs to lie down in a cupboard for 2 days following an argument. Can you imagine the look on his work colleagues faces if he had a disagreement with someone and went and sulked in the photocopy room for the rest of the day.

Honestly, that would be it for me. My 8 year old who has various behavioural issues doesn't even do this and would know it's unacceptable