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Marriage has crashed spectacularly, what now?

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SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 10:41

This is my first post. It has been a long time coming and it’s going to be a long one. I am in a right state and need some guidance.

I have been married for 14 years to a man I thought I was very well suited to and loved to bits. We have 3 dc (aged 7,10,12). It has been a very rocky road, with many close calls re separating and divorce. Some background info - he works at sea so is away more than half the year for long stretches of time with a very unpredictable schedule. I used to work in a stressful profession, all childcare arrangements fell to me to manage while he was away. It was unrewarding (in every way other than financially) and unsustainably stressful. I have suffered on and off with depression, but feel I finally have it under control (with medication, CBT etc). He comes from a very unstable home, with an abusive father he dislikes. My parents are still together - no abuse in the home but definitely a power dynamic that I don’t want for myself.

I stopped working in 2012 when his career started earning well. We are comfortably off so me staying at home has given him the freedom to focus on his job while I hold the fort at home. We are generally careful with money - we put extra into the mortgage every year, have a second hand car that is adequate, don’t go on extravagant holidays etc. But he always seems to be stressed out about money and has taken to keeping a close eye on any money I spend and having a go at me about it. I manage all the bills and am cautious so I don’t feel that this is appropriate or fair. I don’t spend money on clothes, hairdresser or anything like that, mostly just my gardening hobby or things for the kids and the house.

Our family life has become very unhappy. My husband is not emotionally invested in his family or his home - he sees coming home as his time to relax and recharge and gets very resentful when things are not to his liking - he wants to spend time exercising, resting, doing the odd chores that he chooses and being sexually fulfilled. He expects the house to be clean and minimal (he constantly throws things away if he considers them unnecessary without asking). This infuriates me and we clash often, but nothing gets resolved. I do shout at him and initiate arguments because he makes me so angry. I get very anxious when he is about to come home and often withdraw when he is at home because I don’t feel in charge.

Lately he has constantly been making derogatory comments about our home and the area we live in and the people around us and makes jokes about escaping to a beach ‘somewhere’. He is rude to me and says I am lazy and lie on the couch on my phone for hours and constantly berates me for not getting a job. My confidence is at an all time low and the thought of applying for a job terrifies me.

I know I am painting a grim picture. These are the bad bits and it’s not like that all the time. When he is in a good mood it’s great. He loves his kids and spends a lot of time playing with them, but I feel alone when it comes to the challenging bits - getting them to help around the house, homework etc. His contribution is to shout at them. I definitely do shout as well but I am trying to implement better practices - routines backed up with positive praise etc. He just operates according to his own will and ignores any routines I have set up.

I have been alone at home with my children for almost 6 weeks during lockdown. It has been hell. Homeschooling is a nightmare and I have really been struggling, especially with my oldest who has a massive workload posted online daily by his Grammar School. My son has disconnected with his homework and suffers from low mood and is now doing almost nothing. This has me very worried so I spoke to my husband about it on the phone and his approach is to just ignore all work set by the school as “we are not teachers and it is not our responsibility“. He promised that he would be helpful and try and ease the load at home etc.

So. He came home on Friday. The house was clean and tidy, the garden was squared away and watered. The laundry basket was under control and the shopping situation was fine as I had managed to do a big shop. He basically got to do what he wanted when he wanted and all was rosy all weekend. Monday comes around and he got up early, I had a lie in. I asked him to wake our son up to start school. He didn’t. When I did wake up he made the statement “I am not fighting with anybody about homework, I just want to enjoy my son and not see him cry”. I was furious but said nothing. He sent me to Screwfix to get him some decking oil. When I got back he started painting and I worked outside with him on the garden. I started an argument by saying I was annoyed that he hadn’t woken ds up and unimpressed with his attitude towards homeschooling. Argument escalated so I walked inside and tried to get my son involved in his schoolwork. Husband follows me inside and a MASSIVE fight erupts where he is calling me nasty and stupid and spiteful and that I just go round picking fights with everybody. He then starts shouting that he will punch me, all in front of his son who is now sobbing his terrified heart out and begging to be do his homework so the argument will stop. I have to hold my hand up at this point and say that I was not a silent cowering victims - I was answering with equally nasty insults. When he repeatedly threatened to punch me something in me broke and I felt DISGUST for him and mocked him. I wasn’t scared, just disgusted.

Husband has now withdrawn to the dressing cupboard of our room. He is lying on the floor in the dark and refuses to engage with anybody. He is a mixture of seething rage at me and self hatred. He says he will stay there for the week until he has to go to sea again. And then we will go our separate ways. He says things like “it will be b tree for the kids if I am not involved in their lives”.

I go from being fine one moment to bursting into uncontrollable tears the next. I am torn between loving this man and being concerned about his welfare to wanting to tear him to shreds for doing this.

Where do I even start? And how the hell will I ever be able to repair the damage done to my beautiful children?

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Aerial2020 · 19/05/2020 16:36

The day he threatens to punch you in front of your child is the day it's over.
I can't see how counselling can fix that.

How awful for your children.

Winter2020 · 19/05/2020 16:42

Hi OP,
Sorry you have had such an awful time.

It struck me that you and your husband probably have massively different points of view of what you want his time at home to be like.

He probably looks forward to a "holiday" wanting to slip into a happy relaxed family life/not do much/not face any difficult realities. He probably maintains an optimism that he will have a lovely time with his family (this time).

You understandably want help and support from your partner who escapes the difficulties and strains of running the home and family most of the time. You want some time out having had the kids by yourself for a long time and some strong support with parenting.

Your different expectations leave you both frustrated and disappointed. I would say your husband, in the cupboard, is crushingly disappointed that the break he looks forward to with his family has crashed and burned (not to say in large part it's not his own fault) and I think it is his disappointment/dismay why he can't get over it.

Either you guys need to agree to both give a little of his at home time to each of your needs and compromise or to go your separate ways.

Winter2020 · 19/05/2020 16:43

My sentence about your husband is confusing but I mean of course it is his own fault to a great extent.

Boudicabooandbulldogs · 19/05/2020 17:16

This must be very stressful for you op,
I have been married to my DH for 20 years he is in the army and liked to do at least one tour a year. I brought my children up mostly on my own. Although when he was there he was a great dad. I understand what a strange limbo it can be in a marriage where the partner is never there. Where you have to live daily life on your own yet make allowances for this other person.
He is very probably looking forward to coming home with an idea it’s like a holiday. Play with DC, spend time relaxing and doing some odd jobs, and getting time alone with his wife. He will have built up what he hopes to happen in his head as he has more free time than you. He will possibly see your questions as a criticism and the breaking down of his perfect time at home.
His background plainly has a huge impact on how he handles disagreements. Taking yourself away from confrontation is great. Hiding inside cupboard sulking and catastrophising is not normal.
It’s great you have got an appointment with your psychologist, it would be good if he could admit he needs help. However that is not your responsibility. Make sure you and your children are safe, then if he comes out of the cupboard and acts like a sensible adult, go from there.
Whether there is a relationship to work on is down to you. But you know he can’t change unless he chooses too.

randomer · 19/05/2020 17:17

" my psychologist", OK you have professionals available.

AgentJohnson · 19/05/2020 17:22

For the poster shouting that the OP should contact a professional, her H is neither an immediate threat to her or himself, the likelihood of ‘professionals’ engaging is close to zero.

Op, stop trying to engage with him and try to remain as calm as possible for your children. Your marriage is probably over and given the level of toxicity, it’s probably a good thing.

Get legal advice ASAP.

randomer · 19/05/2020 17:31

I am not shouting. I read a narrative on a page and I feel concern.

I feel concern that a vulnerable person reads things like " your marriage is probably over" and acts upon it.

YinMnBlue · 19/05/2020 17:45

OP, have you spoken to the kids about the situation?

I think the eldest in particular needs to know that it is not his fault. He will have heard and argument about him doing his schoolwork escalate into threats of violence and then the completely dysfunctional retreat of his father into a cupboard.

I hope you have explained that rows are often not about what they seem to be - and that this is about his Mum and Dad wanting different things when Dad comes home, and none of it is his fault or responsibility. It is potentially a huge thing for his young shoulders.

minmooch · 19/05/2020 17:46

I see you say that him hiding in the cupboard is something he has done before. Frankly it's ridiculous and childish. How embarrassing for both him and the kids. It sounds like it's very much an attention seeking device - don't pander to him. And as for him refusing food from his son - well I just wouldn't stand for it. Please don't let your son take things to him - his fathers dismissal will be terribly damaging.

He needs to seek help for himself immediately or ship right out of the family home. This will be a very damaging dynamic for your kids and this is what they will learn is a normal relationship. It is not normal and it is not healthy.

I will say it again though it is your husbands responsibility to seek help, he has to want to do this for himself and for the good of the family.

I'm sorry you are going through this.

Aerial2020 · 19/05/2020 17:48

His hiding in a cupboard is manipulative and childish.
He knows exactly what he's doing to get your attention.
Please seek help and support for yourself and your children.

CodenameVillanelle · 19/05/2020 17:55

I have felt the kind of boiling anger towards my ex husband that you felt towards him yesterday. There is NO going back from that.
Your kids will still get to see him. Don't listen to wherever he is saying from the cupboard. Time to talk to a lawyer.

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 18:07

On the suggestions that he may be suffering a mental breakdown I approached him upstairs. He was lying on the bed. I told him I didn’t want to fight, that the kids were concerned about him and he should perhaps speak to a doctor. I also asked him to make an appearance downstairs to interact with his children and I would stay out the way. He refused and said he would not come downstairs because he does not want to fight with anybody or pressure anybody into homework. I pointed out that school day was long over and I had done it all already. He called me a bully, got off the bed and went back to the cupboard. Conversation over.

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SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 18:13

I know that I am not a bully. I know now very clearly that he is the bully. I am not proud of the way I have reacted and displayed my anger and that I am not blameless when it comes to correct behaviour. I also see that I have got to this point after years of emotional neglect and dealing with somebody who is simply not equipped with the emotional skills to conduct a healthy and balanced relationship.

I have absolutely taken my son aside and explained how this is none of his fault - that the fault lies entirely with us and not him. I also made it clear that his father’s threats are unacceptable.

One of the main topics for discussion with my psychologist will be how to help heal my son.

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AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/05/2020 18:18

I m so sorry OP.

I’m not in any way a professional and I can’t pretend to know your situation.. But I had an ex who was all about the drama, control and forever wanting to be chased after so that you thought you were unsupportive or wrong. I’m basing my response to you on that.

It just sounds like manipulation. I wouldn’t involve your son and I wouldn’t indulge him.

I’d leave him to his own devices.

Bullying because you tried to help? Let him stay in his sorry little grief hole.

You poor soul. Like life isn’t ruddy hard enough at the moment. Flowers

Cheeeeislifenow · 19/05/2020 18:18

He sounds emotionally abusive, calling you a bully. He is being manipulative you should do what you can to arrange a divorce op.

Aerial2020 · 19/05/2020 18:19

He threatened to punch you and called you the bully?
Step away from him OP and his emotionally draining behaviour and save your energy for you and your children.

He is a grown man. You're not his mother that needs to tell him how to behave. You already have children to look after.

Aerial2020 · 19/05/2020 18:21

Oh and any decent man and father would apologise to his children for that which must have scared them so much.
Not sulk in a cupboard.

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/05/2020 18:22

When I say don’t involve your son, I meant don’t send him with food. His dad refusing it will probably make him feel guilty for that too.

Bad enough making you feel like rubbish but unforgivable to do that to his boy.

PickAChew · 19/05/2020 18:40

Hiding in a cupboard is the sort of thing my EA ex had in his toolkit.

He's made it perfectly clear where he's coming from by calling you a bully, hasn't he?

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 19:15

I will no longer approach the man, he needs to get his own head straight. I will put my energy into the boys now. I have not pressured my oldest son with his work today, just kept him focused and offered help where needed. Still only got through about 40% of the work school posted. I will try and call his school tomorrow to have a discreet conversation about his struggles and to ask what support they can offer him.

To clarify - we have 3 sons and it is the oldest that was part of Homeworkgate. It was my middle son who took him lunch (as he helped me make it) and he wasn’t too fussed when his dad said he wasn’t hungry. I was trying to maintain a semblance of contact between father and sons but see that it’s not for me to do that.

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BillBaileysBum · 19/05/2020 19:21

I keep laughing out loud at the cupboard. What an absolute dick.

Leave him to it. Just look after yourself and kids till he goes back and then build a new life.

Cambionome · 19/05/2020 19:24

Op on a slightly different note; I work as a pastoral manager in a secondary school and at the moment am making contact with lots of families whose children are struggling with work and have stressful home lives. The school will not judge you if you explain the situation to them and they should be happy to reduce the work your son is expected to do/give him extra support.

You sound like you are doing your best in an incredibly difficult situation; don't be afraid to reach out to people who can help. Flowers

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/05/2020 19:54

Ah now that was lovely of you @cambionomeSmileFlowers

karma1979 · 19/05/2020 19:57

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. It's so hard at the beginning - the plethora of emotions are overwhelming and exhausting. I think if you know this is final it's worth just getting some closure for you both. Tell him you care for him but your marriage clearly isn't working for either of you anymore. It's so hard to "admit defeat" but currently you sound very disconnected and that there is not much love between you anymore. if you think it's worth saving then do that and don't delay- sounds like a lot of barriers need to come down and I'm not just talking about the closet door! Whatever path you choose you'll be ok. It was my 17th wedding anniversary last week but I'll be divorced in 2-3 weeks now... and I'm now ok with that. My 2 DC are totally fine with it too!

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 20:15

Cambione, that is such a relief to hear. Who would be the best person to talk to at school? He is in Year 7 and it has not been an easy transition for him to secondary school. He is very bright, but has some social anxieties. He is very quiet in class and never wants to be ‘noticed’. I think he is just a natural/genetic introvert (runs in my family). He told me his form tutor left just before lockdown so I’m really not sure who to ask for when I ring the school.

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