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Marriage has crashed spectacularly, what now?

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SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 10:41

This is my first post. It has been a long time coming and it’s going to be a long one. I am in a right state and need some guidance.

I have been married for 14 years to a man I thought I was very well suited to and loved to bits. We have 3 dc (aged 7,10,12). It has been a very rocky road, with many close calls re separating and divorce. Some background info - he works at sea so is away more than half the year for long stretches of time with a very unpredictable schedule. I used to work in a stressful profession, all childcare arrangements fell to me to manage while he was away. It was unrewarding (in every way other than financially) and unsustainably stressful. I have suffered on and off with depression, but feel I finally have it under control (with medication, CBT etc). He comes from a very unstable home, with an abusive father he dislikes. My parents are still together - no abuse in the home but definitely a power dynamic that I don’t want for myself.

I stopped working in 2012 when his career started earning well. We are comfortably off so me staying at home has given him the freedom to focus on his job while I hold the fort at home. We are generally careful with money - we put extra into the mortgage every year, have a second hand car that is adequate, don’t go on extravagant holidays etc. But he always seems to be stressed out about money and has taken to keeping a close eye on any money I spend and having a go at me about it. I manage all the bills and am cautious so I don’t feel that this is appropriate or fair. I don’t spend money on clothes, hairdresser or anything like that, mostly just my gardening hobby or things for the kids and the house.

Our family life has become very unhappy. My husband is not emotionally invested in his family or his home - he sees coming home as his time to relax and recharge and gets very resentful when things are not to his liking - he wants to spend time exercising, resting, doing the odd chores that he chooses and being sexually fulfilled. He expects the house to be clean and minimal (he constantly throws things away if he considers them unnecessary without asking). This infuriates me and we clash often, but nothing gets resolved. I do shout at him and initiate arguments because he makes me so angry. I get very anxious when he is about to come home and often withdraw when he is at home because I don’t feel in charge.

Lately he has constantly been making derogatory comments about our home and the area we live in and the people around us and makes jokes about escaping to a beach ‘somewhere’. He is rude to me and says I am lazy and lie on the couch on my phone for hours and constantly berates me for not getting a job. My confidence is at an all time low and the thought of applying for a job terrifies me.

I know I am painting a grim picture. These are the bad bits and it’s not like that all the time. When he is in a good mood it’s great. He loves his kids and spends a lot of time playing with them, but I feel alone when it comes to the challenging bits - getting them to help around the house, homework etc. His contribution is to shout at them. I definitely do shout as well but I am trying to implement better practices - routines backed up with positive praise etc. He just operates according to his own will and ignores any routines I have set up.

I have been alone at home with my children for almost 6 weeks during lockdown. It has been hell. Homeschooling is a nightmare and I have really been struggling, especially with my oldest who has a massive workload posted online daily by his Grammar School. My son has disconnected with his homework and suffers from low mood and is now doing almost nothing. This has me very worried so I spoke to my husband about it on the phone and his approach is to just ignore all work set by the school as “we are not teachers and it is not our responsibility“. He promised that he would be helpful and try and ease the load at home etc.

So. He came home on Friday. The house was clean and tidy, the garden was squared away and watered. The laundry basket was under control and the shopping situation was fine as I had managed to do a big shop. He basically got to do what he wanted when he wanted and all was rosy all weekend. Monday comes around and he got up early, I had a lie in. I asked him to wake our son up to start school. He didn’t. When I did wake up he made the statement “I am not fighting with anybody about homework, I just want to enjoy my son and not see him cry”. I was furious but said nothing. He sent me to Screwfix to get him some decking oil. When I got back he started painting and I worked outside with him on the garden. I started an argument by saying I was annoyed that he hadn’t woken ds up and unimpressed with his attitude towards homeschooling. Argument escalated so I walked inside and tried to get my son involved in his schoolwork. Husband follows me inside and a MASSIVE fight erupts where he is calling me nasty and stupid and spiteful and that I just go round picking fights with everybody. He then starts shouting that he will punch me, all in front of his son who is now sobbing his terrified heart out and begging to be do his homework so the argument will stop. I have to hold my hand up at this point and say that I was not a silent cowering victims - I was answering with equally nasty insults. When he repeatedly threatened to punch me something in me broke and I felt DISGUST for him and mocked him. I wasn’t scared, just disgusted.

Husband has now withdrawn to the dressing cupboard of our room. He is lying on the floor in the dark and refuses to engage with anybody. He is a mixture of seething rage at me and self hatred. He says he will stay there for the week until he has to go to sea again. And then we will go our separate ways. He says things like “it will be b tree for the kids if I am not involved in their lives”.

I go from being fine one moment to bursting into uncontrollable tears the next. I am torn between loving this man and being concerned about his welfare to wanting to tear him to shreds for doing this.

Where do I even start? And how the hell will I ever be able to repair the damage done to my beautiful children?

OP posts:
tara66 · 19/05/2020 13:53

There are ''amicable'' divorces which cost less. I know someone who is paying fees of £5,000 to a mediation service - it's been going on for over a year, settling the finances , child arrangements etc.. Lawyers can be very expensive.

Zaphodsotherhead · 19/05/2020 13:55

Yes, I know, Scott72. That's why I am suggesting that OP, who is talking about wanting to go out and get a job, starts small rather than marching straight back into her previous career. Because going Big may be too much for her anxiety.

But OP was the one who mentioned wanting a job but being a bit scared to put herself out there.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 19/05/2020 14:03

Agree with Randomer - now is not the time to be leaving.

Seems as if what happened was a very fast escalation, and up until the stage where he threatened to hit you in front of your son, could possibly be attributed to having him, and stress of home schooling.

But this is a different level, and seems that he knows this, and credit to him for removing himself out of harms way.

His abusive past is definitely affecting him. On one hand, he doesn't want to repeat the same behaviour, for instance by taking himself away and saying it would be best if he isn't involved, but the threatening behaviour sounds like it came from his parents, probably his dad.

How is your son now?

copycopypaste · 19/05/2020 14:04

Start looking for some part time work, there's a fair bit about at the moment.

See a solicitor and speak to them about what's next, I did mediation as part of the divorce proceedings but only after we'd got the ball rollibg

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 14:28

I agree that a stepping stone job is a good idea. It will have to wait for lockdown to end before I can start looking.

I have made an emergency appointment with my very lovely psychologist to discuss recent events. Hopefully he can help me get a sense of direction and also much needed advice on how best to approach this with my children.

Regarding my husband: he has many positive attributes, I love him dearly and probably always will but I can see that our marriage is hopeless. I am sad that he has not been able to conquer his demons and maintain a healthy and loving relationship, but I also realise that I cannot change that. Believe me I have tried. I have spent years searching for answers to our unhappiness and trying to improve things - counselling, treatment for my own depression, trying to get him to treatment for his depression, reading every book recommended on mn. He has done nothing, except make promises that he never keeps.

Regarding his job: yes, it is stressful being away at sea. I know because I have worked at sea myself. But, it is very routine - 12 hour shifts, his own cabin, food prepared for him, all laundry done for him. Gym and movies available in his down time. When the ship has been alongside he has had the occasional opportunity to go out to a restaurant/pub or even a music concert. I think this life has made him more selfish and entitled and unable to understand the needs of a household with children. It’s always about his needs, never anybody else’s. I have been thoroughly emotionally neglected (never get a birthday or Christmas present from him) and I’m sad I let it happen.

OP posts:
WhotheWhat · 19/05/2020 14:45

Is he still in the cupboard? Or has the immediate crisis abated?

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 14:48

Still in the cupboard.

OP posts:
RantyAnty · 19/05/2020 14:54

What a thin skinned baby

He gets to say and do whatever he wants

You mentioned about the schooling and he flips out in a violent tantrum.

As for him seeking help, why would he when everything goes exactly his way.

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/05/2020 15:06

You seem to be the only one who is trying here. If he won’t help himself then every effort you make is futile.

Personally, no matter what his issues, threatening to punch you in front of a child is low. It is bad enough being threatened (or battered) in private. I know. But any ‘man’ who does this in front of a child is not a man you want or need.

You acknowledge it is over. I think so too if he does not wish to try. He said he wants you to be over- take him up on it.

And believe me love, the only thing that is keeping him in his bloody cupboard is rage and resentment. It certainly isn’t sorrow and embarrassment.

It is shit and I’m sorry but you are loving who he promised he would be. You can’t love a man like this. Not really.

randomer · 19/05/2020 15:09

Actually taking the time to read this thoroughly, I have a few thoughts. I expect similar things are happening up and down the land. This is crisis for you. Can you contact a MH helpline or similar. He sounds in a bad way.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 19/05/2020 15:14

If he stays there for much longer, this is not a tantrum, this is a breakdown.

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/05/2020 15:21

He may well be having a breakdown and I would feel sorry for him if so. But reading OP’s latest posts - this isn’t an isolated episode of horrid behaviour.

He needs to help himself and he isn’t. Some of us have been damaged in our time and not acted like that.

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 15:31

Doreen, I actually think it is all of those things keeping him there - rage, resentment, embarrassment and sorrow. He knows he has crossed a line and one of the few things he has said from the cupboard is “there is no coming back from this”. I am sad and exhausted and I feel quite desperate about this situation. I know that eventually I will be better off on my own, but what about his poor boys who simply adore him?

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randomer · 19/05/2020 15:34

Please OP, GET PROFESSIONAL HELP. Not just a load of bored women, in lockdown who have their own baggage,

Google psychotherapists, get the crisis team. Do something.

If a woman was in a cupboard would she be getting this nonsense?

randomer · 19/05/2020 15:34

Please OP, GET PROFESSIONAL HELP. Not just a load of bored women, in lockdown who have their own baggage,

Google psychotherapists, get the crisis team. Do something.

If a woman was in a cupboard would she be getting this nonsense?

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 15:37

Randomer, do you mean call in emergency psychological help for him? If so, how do I do that? What is the crisis team - is this an NHS helpline?

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Babdoc · 19/05/2020 15:45

Randomer, OP’s husband is an adult with capacity. If he doesn’t want to engage with his GP or the mental health team, OP can’t force him. Unless he is a serious danger to himself or others, in which case she could ask for him to be sectioned - but it doesn’t sound that he’s at that point. He’s backed himself into a corner (or a cupboard) and now can’t see a face saving way of coming out.
Presumably when he is hungry or needs a pee, he will emerge in his own time. OP needs to leave him alone to deal with himself.

Zaphodsotherhead · 19/05/2020 15:48

OP, his DC may adore him - but they only see him rarely, when he's onshore. So presumably they manage perfectly well not seeing him for long stretches of time currently. If you separate, he can see them when he's home, so what would be the difference? Other than that he'd have to have them alone and do some of the actual heavy lifting of parenting himself.

randomer · 19/05/2020 15:54

OK,sorry OP for your troubles. I am not an expert at all but I'm not sure this forum is the place to get measured, thoughtful advice. There must be something in your area. Either pay for it or ring the NHS helpline.

This is just my opinion. very distressing for all concerned.

minmooch · 19/05/2020 15:58

How big is this cupboard?

I'm sorry op but it sounds like your marriage really hasn't been that good really - time to take the rose tinted glasses off. It only works if you both put in the effort. You can't make him happy, you can't make him take responsibility for his mental health. He has to want to do those things for himself.

As for lying in the cupboard unless you think he's really having a breakdown I'd be telling him not to be so fucking dramatic in front of his kids. I had one of these dramatic types once - now an ex.

Whatever your issues between you you both have kids in the house and both should act appropriately in front of them.

You are doing it all when he's away so I would imagine it will be easier not dreading his return to uproot your routines.

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 16:05

It’s a walk in dressing room. He is spread out on the floor there, lying on a blanket. He does this when we have a massive fight. It’s part hiding/isolating/punishment/martyrdom I don’t know 🤷‍♀️. But I can’t make him come out. He’s been in there over 24 hrs now. Has refused food taken to him by his son. He has access to the en-suite so water and loo if he needs it. Refuses to engage with me. I have managed to get my psychologist to call me this evening, I have a Skype appointment with him on Thursday.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 19/05/2020 16:20

Tell him to stop sulking like a child. His behaviour is ridiculous! And if this is a regular occurrence it's not a breakdown, it's just an attention-seeking tantrum. Pathetic. And acting this way in front of his kids? That's downright embarrassing.

Please consider your options for divorce.

getdownonit · 19/05/2020 16:22

How have you explained it to the children, that Dad has been in there for 24 hours?

I'm not sure having your son offer him food is helpful for your son, tbh.

Can you get out and about as much as you can, outside of school time? Walk, park etc.

I'd be tempted to leave him to stew, but 24 hours is pushing it.

tara66 · 19/05/2020 16:22

OP - good luck then and all the best. At least he has calmed down.

catmg · 19/05/2020 16:28

OP just wanted to say I really feel for you and your kids going through this. The amount of stress in your household while dad hides in a cupboard must be unbearable.

As someone has said previously, your children seem happy enough without their dad while he's at work, so no reason why they won't continue to be happy if you separate.

Your happiness is importsnt too and I wonder if you've been so ground down by this over the years that you've forgotten that?