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Marriage has crashed spectacularly, what now?

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SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 10:41

This is my first post. It has been a long time coming and it’s going to be a long one. I am in a right state and need some guidance.

I have been married for 14 years to a man I thought I was very well suited to and loved to bits. We have 3 dc (aged 7,10,12). It has been a very rocky road, with many close calls re separating and divorce. Some background info - he works at sea so is away more than half the year for long stretches of time with a very unpredictable schedule. I used to work in a stressful profession, all childcare arrangements fell to me to manage while he was away. It was unrewarding (in every way other than financially) and unsustainably stressful. I have suffered on and off with depression, but feel I finally have it under control (with medication, CBT etc). He comes from a very unstable home, with an abusive father he dislikes. My parents are still together - no abuse in the home but definitely a power dynamic that I don’t want for myself.

I stopped working in 2012 when his career started earning well. We are comfortably off so me staying at home has given him the freedom to focus on his job while I hold the fort at home. We are generally careful with money - we put extra into the mortgage every year, have a second hand car that is adequate, don’t go on extravagant holidays etc. But he always seems to be stressed out about money and has taken to keeping a close eye on any money I spend and having a go at me about it. I manage all the bills and am cautious so I don’t feel that this is appropriate or fair. I don’t spend money on clothes, hairdresser or anything like that, mostly just my gardening hobby or things for the kids and the house.

Our family life has become very unhappy. My husband is not emotionally invested in his family or his home - he sees coming home as his time to relax and recharge and gets very resentful when things are not to his liking - he wants to spend time exercising, resting, doing the odd chores that he chooses and being sexually fulfilled. He expects the house to be clean and minimal (he constantly throws things away if he considers them unnecessary without asking). This infuriates me and we clash often, but nothing gets resolved. I do shout at him and initiate arguments because he makes me so angry. I get very anxious when he is about to come home and often withdraw when he is at home because I don’t feel in charge.

Lately he has constantly been making derogatory comments about our home and the area we live in and the people around us and makes jokes about escaping to a beach ‘somewhere’. He is rude to me and says I am lazy and lie on the couch on my phone for hours and constantly berates me for not getting a job. My confidence is at an all time low and the thought of applying for a job terrifies me.

I know I am painting a grim picture. These are the bad bits and it’s not like that all the time. When he is in a good mood it’s great. He loves his kids and spends a lot of time playing with them, but I feel alone when it comes to the challenging bits - getting them to help around the house, homework etc. His contribution is to shout at them. I definitely do shout as well but I am trying to implement better practices - routines backed up with positive praise etc. He just operates according to his own will and ignores any routines I have set up.

I have been alone at home with my children for almost 6 weeks during lockdown. It has been hell. Homeschooling is a nightmare and I have really been struggling, especially with my oldest who has a massive workload posted online daily by his Grammar School. My son has disconnected with his homework and suffers from low mood and is now doing almost nothing. This has me very worried so I spoke to my husband about it on the phone and his approach is to just ignore all work set by the school as “we are not teachers and it is not our responsibility“. He promised that he would be helpful and try and ease the load at home etc.

So. He came home on Friday. The house was clean and tidy, the garden was squared away and watered. The laundry basket was under control and the shopping situation was fine as I had managed to do a big shop. He basically got to do what he wanted when he wanted and all was rosy all weekend. Monday comes around and he got up early, I had a lie in. I asked him to wake our son up to start school. He didn’t. When I did wake up he made the statement “I am not fighting with anybody about homework, I just want to enjoy my son and not see him cry”. I was furious but said nothing. He sent me to Screwfix to get him some decking oil. When I got back he started painting and I worked outside with him on the garden. I started an argument by saying I was annoyed that he hadn’t woken ds up and unimpressed with his attitude towards homeschooling. Argument escalated so I walked inside and tried to get my son involved in his schoolwork. Husband follows me inside and a MASSIVE fight erupts where he is calling me nasty and stupid and spiteful and that I just go round picking fights with everybody. He then starts shouting that he will punch me, all in front of his son who is now sobbing his terrified heart out and begging to be do his homework so the argument will stop. I have to hold my hand up at this point and say that I was not a silent cowering victims - I was answering with equally nasty insults. When he repeatedly threatened to punch me something in me broke and I felt DISGUST for him and mocked him. I wasn’t scared, just disgusted.

Husband has now withdrawn to the dressing cupboard of our room. He is lying on the floor in the dark and refuses to engage with anybody. He is a mixture of seething rage at me and self hatred. He says he will stay there for the week until he has to go to sea again. And then we will go our separate ways. He says things like “it will be b tree for the kids if I am not involved in their lives”.

I go from being fine one moment to bursting into uncontrollable tears the next. I am torn between loving this man and being concerned about his welfare to wanting to tear him to shreds for doing this.

Where do I even start? And how the hell will I ever be able to repair the damage done to my beautiful children?

OP posts:
randomer · 19/05/2020 20:19

I'm wondering what homework was so pressing for your son?

at 12?

I don't think your husbands request to spend time with him , without the spectre of homework looming was unreasonable.

The kid is 12.....low mood?

EKGEMS · 19/05/2020 20:23

Oh give us all and the OP a break, Randomer ,and if you feel the need to side with an abusive asshole do it elsewhere

Cambionome · 19/05/2020 20:33

SmallWreckingBall - different schools have slightly different systems and terminology but I would say you need to speak to the Y7 pastoral manager/head of pastoral care or failing that the head of year. It's a shame that his tutor has just left as he/she would also have been a good first contact. Have you had much communication with anyone at the school before?

Try not to get too anxious - there will be people at the school whose job it is to support your son and they will be ready and willing to help.

Flowers

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 20:34

Randomer, I’ll flesh it out for you a little. My oldest son is in Year 7 at Grammar School. The school expects the boys to work a normal school day, with “lessons” posted daily online and homework that needs to be completed. I have tried to guide my son and assist him to get it done as it causes him anxiety when he is behind.

When I attempt to help him, he gets very emotional about it and starts going on about how pointless it all is... and has even touched on how pointless he feels his life is. He does not want to engage in anything extra curricular and worries that he doesn’t really have any friends. This all comes out when I try and help him with a homework task - it seems to be the lightning rod that brings out all of his anxieties.

Ignoring the homework actually causes his anxiety to worsen as he is afraid of getting into trouble - and yes, some of the teachers have posted negative messages online berating the boys for not doing their online work!

So the homework issue isn’t really about me trying to squeeze school work out of him during a pandemic - rather, it has highlighted his complete lack of engagement with school, teachers and other boys his age. I am worried about his mental health and need help and support from his dad to get to the bottom of it! That is really what I wanted from his dad, but all dh hears is “homework...blah blah”.

And I’ll point out here and now that I believe part of ds problem is that he is constantly bombarded with negativity about life from his father - like secondary smoke wafting about the place!

OP posts:
randomer · 19/05/2020 20:41

How very sad that this young person is under such pressure. Pressure from school, his own internal pressure , pressure from a pandemic and now a major upset.
tbh, I 'm not surprised he is disinterested. There is a lot of evidence to suggest the brains of young males do not fuse until they are in their very late teens or early 20's.

billy1966 · 19/05/2020 20:47

OP,

Clearly you are doing your best.

Your husband sounds like a spoilt attention seeking prick.

Such selfish drama continuing after he has made a complete show of himself in front of his son.

Leave him up there to his self pitying bullshit.

He's a disgrace.

It would be great if he could move out, much better for your poor children.

He's a nasty bully, has been for years.

You are well rid.

Flowers
Kay2theT · 19/05/2020 20:49

My parents fought all the time throughout my childhood. Many times things came to a head and dad would go off somewhere, or hide in the cupboard and phone my mom to say he was in the next city over. Once mom hit him with tv remote over the head. In the end I used to wish they'd just split and be done. It was hell.

Do not waver in this, I think its time to go your separate ways. For the mental health of everyone involved.

SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 20:51

It is sad and I, as his mum, am very worried about it. I am NOT a helicopter/tiger mom heaping pressure on my child. I often have conversations with him where I try to explain that having a good attitude to a challenge is half the battle won and not to be too focussed on the results. I also try to teach him that authority is there to benefit everybody and not be afraid of getting into trouble - that it is natural for everybody to get into a bit of trouble now and then and that it’s just a learning experience. I put his mental health and happiness above any achievements.

OP posts:
SmallWreckingBall · 19/05/2020 20:56

Karma, just wanted to say that your post touched me. I am sorry for what you are facing and understand that hollow pain of loss. Hopefully we can both move on and find a place in the sun again.

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Scott72 · 19/05/2020 20:57

He seems to be having a meltdown due to two things. Firstly, his guilt over threatening to hit OP. Secondly, his extreme frustration because he could not get her to see that he is right. But he isn't right and is being extremely unreasonable.

He is very probably looking forward to coming home with an idea it’s like a holiday. Play with DC, spend time relaxing and doing some odd jobs, and getting time alone with his wife.

I can understand this. But if he wants to do this he needs to essentially act like a gracious guest when he is at home and treat OP like a generous host. Instead he comes home and immediately starts ordering her around and acting like nothing she does is good enough. Which would never be acceptable, and is even less acceptable considering how absent he is most of the time and how little he does when he is home.

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/05/2020 21:18

Your poor children living in the middle of this bullshit. Sad

tara66 · 19/05/2020 21:26

OP re. school work I have a 12 year old relative at public school who is actually doing - or supposed to be doing - exams on her own at home!

Techway · 19/05/2020 21:29

OP, just to reassure it is reasonably common for Yr7s to be over whelmed as the jump from primary is signifcant. Teachers maybe piling on the work as well as it is harder to judge than when in school. Added to this he has hormones and lack of friends or activities plus the worry of his parents. It is a very tough take for him and schools will want to help. As mentioned before there will be a pastoral lead for his year group.

Winter2020 · 20/05/2020 09:29

Just in regard to your eldest son OP does he have a games console and do gaming - if not would it be affordable to get one?

My son (10 years) has regularly spent time on his xbox playing online with kids from his school or his cousins. (Usually minecraft or fortnight) If he seems down I tell him to go and see if anyone is online. It’s the closest thing to playing with a friend at the moment.

The kids only need each others “user names” to connect. If he doesn’t know anyone at high school then you could ask people who went to his old primary school or relatives (ask the parents if the kids can swap user names - if you don’t have their numbers track them down on facebook).

If you don’t have a console but have an ipad or tablet then he could log into a game like minecraft on that but because the kids can’t hear each other use your phone on facetime or a phonecall to chat while gaming. Just needs a bit more help to organise than a console.

I think if your son could connect with some kids that would lift his mood.

SRS29 · 20/05/2020 12:10

Hope you're doing ok today OP Flowers

TorkTorkBam · 20/05/2020 12:24

No wonder your son is terrified of making mistakes given how your household runs when DH is around. The sooner he is out of their lives the better.

Your posts are more about your stbxh's mental health or justifying your homework situation. Smells like self-distraction from reality to me.

Totally totally ignore the man child and tell the children to do the same.

Make an appointment with a shit hot lawyer immediately (it could be a couple of weeks before you have the meeting).

Do not get the children to be nice to him. They saw him threatening to punch you over and over again. Then saying, oh sweetie go build a close relationship and take poor daddy some dinner is teaching some fucked up messages about what love is and what love means one must do. Anything other than encouraging distance right now and showing them how to dial 999 will create huge anxiety and cognitive dissonance.

Your set up is an anxiety factory for everyone.

billy1966 · 20/05/2020 13:47

Absolutely @TorkTorkBam.

Violence in the home, the treat of it means any consideration of your husband should end.

OP for goodness sake do not underestimate the absolute trauma your son has suffered to see his father behave like.

I guarantee you, even though you may not want to believe or accept it, your sone will NEVER forget this incident.

He needs the message that his father was very very wrong.

Please protect your children and home from his bullying and threats.
Flowers

BrassyLocks · 20/05/2020 14:34

OP what do you think of Winter2020's analysis? If you think there is any possibility of a reconciliation, might having a discussion along those lines help?

SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 14:39

I agree 100% torktork and billy. I have been like a frog in pot of water that is slowly heating up so I didn’t realise how serious it has become over time. I have already made arrangements to get my son to see somebody.

The irony is that my husband grew up in a house with a violent father and he hates him for it. Why would he replicate behaviour that he knows is wrong and damaging? He has spoken about it so often. He is nowhere near as bad as his own father, but I can see that he has very poor coping mechanisms when it comes to conflict resolution. He could have turned out better if he had sought professional help long ago, but I guess men would rather pretend the problem doesn’t exist than face up to it in the hopes of improvement.

I know you may want to accuse me of the same thing - before you do, please understand that I have been working on myself and trying to improve my own mental health and our marriage for a long time, thinking I am the problem. It is very easy to blame yourself when things go wrong and I have been utterly blindsided because I am a strong person and the nature of his abusive behaviour has always been very very subtle. Until now, of course. Previously, I would have described him as passive-aggressive. After this week I will use the term abusive.

I sincerely hope that with help from a loving mother who sets firm boundaries and professional input my son can avoid this sad fate.

OP posts:
SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 14:45

Winter2020, my son is a very enthusiastic Minecrafter. He and his younger brothers are very happy creating worlds together. He recently made contact via Minecraft with a lovely primary school friend who moved away. I will encourage this.

We don’t have any games consoles, we are already struggling to reduce the time the kids spend in front of a screen so didn’t want to exacerbate that problem.

Oldest said that the other kids in secondary are a bit mocking of Minecraft so I think he keeps it under his hat. A pity, but now he is at the age where he will be judged by his peers on all sorts of superficial crap!

OP posts:
LexMitior · 20/05/2020 15:03

You need to see something far far more clearly that you do.

Your husband is replicating behaviour he has seen in his own family. And the more desperate he gets the nastier he will be. He cannot handle it. He will not change. Men who start threatening their partners in front of their children are damaging their partners and their kids.

We all like to think that there are things you can do where someone has been abused. And there are; but what barely ever works is when someone starts making threats in this way. Then you have a problem that possibly might take years of therapy to fix and even then the chance is tiny.

Men with these backgrounds at base believe that they are entitled to control. They are insecure and cowards.

I would make arrangements for him to leave. You need to get your life in order to be financially independent. But don’t be fooled - you can’t help your husband out of this. He will have to do it for himself.

And leave him in the cupboard. What a paltroon.

SmallWreckingBall · 20/05/2020 15:31

LexMitior - I think you misunderstand. I DO now grasp the gravity of the situation. I have read the book by Lundy Bancroft on abusive men and what drives them (about 6 months ago) so I understand that the problem is so deep seated that it is almost impossible to change. Until this week I would not have described my husband’s behaviour as abusive. It has always been problematic, but only now has it crossed a line that is without a doubt abuse.

We are definitely going to separate. I know that next steps for me are to consult a lawyer, look at mediation as a way of agreeing arrangements, look for employment etc. I am really focussing on my son not turning out this way, while being sad that his dad has not taken any steps to recovery from his own childhood. But that is out of my hands and will no longer be my problem.

I have also prioritised MH support for my son(s).

OP posts:
TorkTorkBam · 20/05/2020 15:40

Get the mediator through the solicitor.

Get a solicitor who specialises in DV as they will recognise the weird behaviours that will come up during the divorce.

They will make sure you get the right mediator who can handle abusive relationships with skewed power dynamics like yours. They will have a list of recommended mediators.

Blabkb1rdB5858 · 20/05/2020 17:11

So your DH is NOT man enough to come out of a cupboard to apologize, to you or his children

Who looks like the biggest child in this situation - your DH Biscuit

Due to the virus, it is weird times for everyone, where different people are under different pressures

You are financially vulnerable by having no paid employment

You both need to decide, should you carry on or split up ?

If you carry on, when will the exact same thing occur again ? Which is no way to live

randomer · 20/05/2020 18:46

The bloke in the cupboard has been paying the bills for quite a while?

The 12 year old doesn't need to go to Grammar school.

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