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He’s messaging someone isn’t he

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Loveabitofrain · 26/04/2020 04:47

So I’ve had issues with my partner in the past re messaging woman. In all honesty I’ve never trusted him since. Yeah I know why am I still with him. Very good question.

Big row last week where I explain how it’s all made me feel and I don’t trust him, conversation ended with him understanding and promising to help more with that.

We had a few drinks tonight and I went to bed an hour or so before him. He comes up and his phone goes twice (text). Snoring his head off. I looked at his phone to see who messages are from. Something doesn’t feel right. Bear in mind it’s 3am. His phone says “2 iMessages from JoJo”.

I’ve woken him to find out and got the usual abuse. Won’t show me and claims he’s talking to a woman off twitter about all the lockdown business. She gave him her number. He’s been very active debating on Twitter (I can see it all).

It’s bullshit right ladies?! This is typical gaslighting isn’t it??

I’ve just been on his Instagram and there is a woman there calling herself Jojo. Old school friend. Bit too much of a coincidence huh?!

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Thepigeonsarecoming · 27/04/2020 02:02

@loveabitofrain other posters have already said everything. But just wanted to say congrats and tell you how strong you are. So many people ask for advice (real life and online) and then ignore it as it’s easier. I was one of those many years ago

The fact you’ve taken action shows your strength of character. You deserve better and hopefully one day you’ll look back and be proud of how well you handled this

CalleighDoodle · 27/04/2020 02:33

Well done op. But seriously, block him on everything. He has nothing to say worth listening to at this stage.

Loveabitofrain · 27/04/2020 02:37

@Thepigeonsarecoming thank you. Felt like cracking but keep thinking back to how toxic he is. That helps my resolve x

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Buggedandconfused · 27/04/2020 05:49

Keep your self respect OP, because he didn’t respect you. Despite knowing you needed him to stop contacting other women he kept doing it. Because he is a flawed human being. You can’t fix that. He’s faulty and can’t change. Once I got this into my head I could finally move on. I did take him back twice when a) I weakened and b) I believed his lies about treating me with respect. With all evidence showing me he was a flawed, abusive and cruel man, I took him back. Guess what, the lies got worse, he didn’t treat me any better. Because he couldn’t. He is a half formed being and thats just who he is. It would take years of therapy for him to alter a fraction, if that. In the end I decided my peace of mind was more important. I learned that I was worth more and I grew to like being on my own. I’ve now met someone lovely - it’s early days and I’m shit scared (thanks to ex arsehole) of being hurt again but I now how healthy boundaries and think I’ll be ok.
You are in the hardest part of the journey as you are hurting, dismayed, and in shock. Plus your feelings for him are still there. Your feelings are though, for the relationship you hoped for and man you wished he was. The reality was that he was abusive, selfish and irreparably flawed. Would you keep a car knowing it would break down at any moment and not get you safely to your destination, potentially risking your health? No.
Today is another day towards getting over him and getting back to happiness. X

Loveabitofrain · 27/04/2020 08:21

@Buggedandconfused wow this could be written about the same man.

Before I caught him, again, I was getting fed up of his lack of accountability, doing nothing round the house, his drinking and his mood swings.

You are right; I yearned for the relationship how I wanted it to be. Thought he could change.

Today is a new day!

So pleased you have found happiness!!

When did your ex finally give up in trying to get you back?x

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Buggedandconfused · 27/04/2020 10:06

Morning OP. I’m so glad you are a bit more positive today. These men are all different. Mine took 6 weeks of flowers, love emails and ultimately threatening to kill himself. I blocked him on everything except email which went to spam but every so often I would read. He then turned nasty again when he knew I wasn’t going to budge.
For me there was a financial gain as he was also financially abusing me, so once I had that money to spend on my kids and myself again and realised just how much he’d been leaching off me it helped.
Every time you are drawn to think about how he could be lovely, immediately replace it with one of him being a pig. Realise that the nice times are a mirage. The real him is the pig.
Also he may look and behave nicely 75% of the time but the other 25% is shit. Would you eat a lovely meal knowing it contained 25% shit? No.
The immediate days ahead will be hard, but the tears will stop, you will start to feel stronger, then you will get a glimpse of a better life. Hang on to that - that is the reality, a better life ahead. No more anxiety, no stomach clenching fear, just peace and happiness. X

AzraiL · 27/04/2020 10:15

Well done, OP!
If you ever like you're about to waver, just re-read these three words from your original post, which was all I needed to see to realise you're better off without him:

The usual abuse

Loveabitofrain · 27/04/2020 11:16

@Buggedandconfused thanks again x

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Onacleardayyoucansee · 27/04/2020 18:04

Just echoing what others are saying.
Got to get through this painful bit, then youll start to feel better.

You wouldnt want this in your life for the next 10 years, so why want it for the next 10 minutes?

Can you imagine being 70 years old and being devalued like that?

Horrific!

Have you thought about journalling?
Start today, write everything down that you are feeling. After a few days it will become a highlight to your day, as the days turn into a week, a week to a month, you will look back and feel so good about what you have done to protect yourself.
Every day is another achievement, another day you have chosen you, another day into a new life with new opportunities.

Another day away from that drag.
Shitty relationships are such a drag!!!

Loveabitofrain · 27/04/2020 19:03

@onacleardayyoucansee that’s a really good idea. I’ve struggled today. Ended up speaking with him as I needed answers 🙈

In more positive news I’ve organised for some counselling starting tomorrow 😃

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Buggedandconfused · 28/04/2020 12:14

How are you doing OP?

MandyMatrr · 28/04/2020 13:07

Have you tried to talk to him about this Jojo?

But for now things are not really clear. Whether it's just light flirting or real cheating. Both options sound not really good in any case. So I advice you to talk to him and say everything you feel and thing about this. If he cares about you at least a bit. them he'll say everything as it is.
Btw, here's some more info how to detect he's cheating mspylite
Hope it will help you to figure it out.Let us know what he said if you'll have a conversation.

Loveabitofrain · 28/04/2020 13:24

Hey everyone

@Buggedandconfused

Thanks for thinking about me 😀

I had a good night and looking at the positives; I watched what I wanted and went to bed knowing I didn’t have to worry what he was up to 😀

He text at gone midnight to ask how I am 🤷🏻‍♀️

My counselling session went well and I’m glad I got right into it. I think I need to break patterns I didn’t even know I’d formed.

I’ve just made lunch for the kids and it was lovely that I didn’t have him hovering. Again a positive!!

@mandymatrr I did speak with him yesterday. He’s on his exes sofa (seriously!). So she’s stirring it but I really don’t care. Apparently Jojo contacted him as I left her a tweet. Yep shouldn’t have but I did. Kinda pointed out that she’s just suffered consequences!! If you swap numbers with an attached man then both have consequences.

It made me feel better to get a few answers.

Anyway at the mo I’m ok. No tears so far!! Dreading next week when the kids are at their dads but I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it x

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Onacleardayyoucansee · 28/04/2020 14:44

I think you are wise to cross the bridge of next week when you come to it, live each day.

You have the opportunity to put all of your energy into yourself, and getting better.
If we dont do this, we get stuck in the shitty relationship cycle.
Either going back to this one, or entering a new one.

We cant change them, only ourselves.
If he is going to change, the decision needs to come from him.
Let him think about that, if he is going to or not, and what that will entail, with no propmting from you.
He was behaving previously as though he has done nothing wrong, and its your problem.
If you cant live with that behaviour, it needs to end.

I think you have done very well to kick him out OP. The next bit is looking at why we allow ourselves to accept these relationships.
Why aren't you jumping for joy at his departure?
When a headache is gone, we dont wonder where.
Or think about the rubbish after we have thrown it away.
I hope you get my drift here!

What was your parents relationship like?
What messages did you get whilst growing up?

Buggedandconfused · 28/04/2020 15:21

There will be many more positives! These men become such a drain on us without us realising. They cleverly ‘manage us down’ until all the crap seems normal. It’s no way to live.
It’s brilliant you have started counselling.
If you need and I mean need to talk to him about anything adopt the ‘grey rock’ approach. No emotion, minimal interaction, no reaction, nothing except clipped words.
I kept going back, I wasn’t strong then and believed his crap. Nearly every woman on here who has done that finds the same. They don’t change.
I would have contacted JoJo too. What did she have to say for herself?

Loveabitofrain · 28/04/2020 18:48

@Onacleardayyoucansee thank you. My parents relationship wasn't great and they divorced many years ago. Part of the chat with the counsellor today was about my upbringing. I am a people pleaser and tend to do as I am told, within reason! I wonder if men see me as an easy target as I do everything in the house, and am very relaxed about what is on the TV etc . I think I need to learn the word no!

@Buggedandconfused thanks again. He has text me this afternoon to apologise for requesting to follow a friend of mine on instragram, some one I had asked him specifically not to due to trust issues I had with him. He said he did it to spite me. I just replied with 'ok'. Nothing else, no hooks.

As for our friend Jojo she blocked me the moment she saw that tweet. Guilt no doubt. Then sent him an angry text. Shouldn't have played with fire should she?! Nor him! Anyway they still follow each other on twitter so nothing lost hey?

She claimed that she is a victim of DV and her husband (I think) saw the messages. Surely if that all true the first thing she would so is unfollow and block him.

The mind boggles!!

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Loveabitofrain · 28/04/2020 18:52

Oh he was supposed to come collect his work phone charger today. He just said he pop over but text me beforehand. Heard nothing and won't chase. Clearly game playing. Was going to get it last night but he said things were still too raw for him. Poor victim that he is!!x

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Onacleardayyoucansee · 28/04/2020 19:19

'Things being too raw'
That was your cue to rescue him. Grin

Back on topic, (you, your wellbeing, your happiness) we do tend to play out what our early experiences were.
If a parent was emotionally detached, we can key into that, and accept those emotional crumbs of relating.
Trying hard to get things 'right', please people, to prove our worth.

When someone puts us down or rejects us, we look to ourselves, 'what did i do wrong?' when sometimes, we have not done wrong but are partnering an unsuitable person.

Its not our job to reparent, mother, and make projects of these men.
Better we work on ourselves.

These men probably come from their own disfunctional backgrounds, and key into ours. Etc etc.
And the cycle goes on.

Until someone does something different.
You have done really well to get to this stage.
Realise that the anxiety you feel may be emotional triggers from all the past stuff, and nothing to do with him.
Just that he triggered it.

Im no therapist, these are just bits that have made sense to me on my own journey.
I hope its of some use to you.

If you do feel these 'triggers' of rejection and abandonment, regulate yourself with deep breathing, hug a pillow, journal, do a meditation, be kind to yourself and know that it will pass.
Sitting with ourselves is a necessary part of the process.
Get aquainted with the pain.
The healing is at the end of that.

Brew
Windyatthebeach · 28/04/2020 19:42

Block him in all ways op. Leave his charger in a carrier bag somewhere..
I threw exh out, cried for 3 weeks and then the fog lifted.
Threw out anything he has chosen in our home (rented), bought new bedding, decorated my bedroom and had a fling with a soldier!!
Blush
After 5 years together he left my thoughts pretty tbh!!
Once the realisation how how much of a twat he was you will too op..
Flowers

Loveabitofrain · 28/04/2020 20:18

@Onacleardayyoucansee thanks so much for all of that. You’ve got me thinking. Yes I think I fear abandonment and rejection. Never had masses of love as a child and I crave affection from men. I think I lacked a father figure growing up. Went to an all girls school too.

So I think I def need to do work around that. I’ll definitely use your tips.

Only on day 3 and I get moments of wishing an emotional partner was here. I can say partner rather than him because when I think of him being here I recall how I felt; anxious, far less chilled and watching what I said.

I know I’ll hit some more bad times. I’m making sure I’m coming on here, speaking with friends etc to keep communication up. I’m also being honest about how I feel rather than hiding it.

X

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MaryAnneMumof2 · 28/04/2020 21:44

Loveabitofrain I have been in a similar situation and I can tell you (two kids and a divorce later) that these men do not change. Once a creep always a creep, he wants to be messaging other women and that will never stop. If he isn’t happy to let you see, then there is something to hide.

MaryAnneMumof2 · 28/04/2020 21:46

Agree with @Windyatthebeach after 3 weeks it starts to get better

Buggedandconfused · 29/04/2020 07:16

I read this this morning on a website I read 💐

He’s messaging someone isn’t he
Buggedandconfused · 29/04/2020 07:23

Reading what you said above in reply to @Onacleardayyoucansee - this book may help you. ‘Love me don’t leave me’ by Michelle Skeen. It’s about how to recognise fear of abandonment triggered by our past. It really helped me realise why I choose unsuitable men and why I get triggered. I had so many light bulb moments when I read it!

Loveabitofrain · 29/04/2020 09:15

@Buggedandconfused thank you once again I shall take a look.

Well its day 4. I have been here before with him. However this time it feels different. It could be because we moved a month ago so in a different house, or it could be lockdown. Whatever it is I am not waking up with the stomach sinking feelings, and feelings of being negative. OK I am not jumping out of bed in the morning but never did when I was with him!

Unlike before I am glad he isn't here in many respects. He had become so lazy in lockdown. I would get up ready to start work at 9, clear up and get going. He would wonder down later (always due to too much drink the night before) and just get on and have no respect at all for my work.

I really hope this feeling lasts!! I'm also not tempted to contact him like I have been before. My last text was a simple 'OK' in reply to his apology for something which had clearly played on his mind. Nothing since.

Also previously I would be keen to try and get him over somehow but actually I don't want him as I don't want my recovery hindered!

All positives that I see! I also have another counselling session tomorrow.

I would also like to say that you Mumsnet peeps are amazing and are really helping me through this x

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