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This is what I'm writing to his wife after 'lockdown'- any suggestions for tweaks?

433 replies

hewasatwunt · 15/04/2020 22:51

Hi, please don't shoot me. Flowers

I was involved with someone who turned out to be quite dodgy. Some of you will recognized the details- have name changed just in case he views posts under my other usernames.

I think his wife should know about the hundreds of sexual assignations he's had outside marriage. I don't particularly have an axe to grind now, I just genuinely think she should know. She's in her mid 50s, she could choose a different life if she wanted.

Some people on various forums already gave me a lot of help writing this. Do any of you have any other tweaks you can suggest? All names etc have been changed.

Hi Sue, I thought you deserved to know what’s happening.

Bob is constantly seeking opportunities for encounters.

He was having an involvement with me for the best part of 18 months, from July 2018 until January 2020. I blocked him because I realized what he was like. I'm really sorry and won’t interfere in your marriage again.

Whenever he said he was with Fred and me, he was just with me. Sometimes he maybe said he was with us overnight, or gave some other excuse to be away; he was just with me. After I took him back home from his treatment, three times a week, there was some activity involved.

There’s a woman he’s seeing at times at his treatment, called Lucy. Maybe he said he was setting off early before treatment solely to give her a lift. That is not always the case. He also sometimes meets her in the afternoons.

He talks to a woman online called Eve. He has encouraged her to send him explicit photographs and videos. He’s frequently propositioning women online and asking for photos or to meet.

The first woman he mentioned having had an affair with was called Suzie and lived in Blackpool. I think that started at some point while he was studying at Manchester and finished a while after he finished there.

Around six years ago he was seeing Mina who attended the gaming club at the time. At one point they went to a bed and breakfast for a night, I think somewhere up north. His involvement with her lasted a few months.

He is bisexual and also goes to ‘adult cinemas’ where he engages in acts with several male strangers at a time. He’s been doing this for decades and it will have been hundreds if not thousands of men. He does not tend to use protection for his activities there. He tries to get women to go along to the cinema with him to join in with these pursuits, and sometimes succeeds.

There’s another woman, also called Sue, who he’s been involved with at times over the years. He invited her to go to the cinema/swingers’ clubs too. He didn’t mention this woman to me, so it just goes to show that what I’m able to let you know is just the tip of the iceberg.

There’s another dimension to this in that the women he targets or succeeds with tend to be vulnerable, or at a vulnerable time in their lives. He is exploitative, coercive and manipulative. He also lies to get what he wants, including about the nature of your relationship. Some women didn’t give meaningful consent as it was when they were ill, through exploiting their vulnerabilities, or it was given under false pretenses.

Sorry to let you know about all this, but I thought you should be aware.

-Judy.

P.S. If you want more evidence or to discuss this further, you can contact me

OP posts:
isitsummertimeyet · 23/04/2020 12:53

do you boil your bunny or just have it sunny side up

jesus, you need help..

Notredamn · 23/04/2020 13:08

That namechange fail post didn't even make sense. You posted it from the perspective of having received the letter. Just draw a line under this whole thing, whatever it is you're playing out. And move on.

Notredamn · 23/04/2020 13:11

Every single woman who answered said they would've wanted to know what their husband was doing

More evidence you're just living in a dream world and taking nothing in. It's been pointed out to you over and over and over that it's your delivery of this message and how vicious and superior it is, which is wrong and weird.

Itsallgonewoowoo · 23/04/2020 20:10

Yes, many people on here did say tell her, but not how you plan to. It's just mean and she is not a fault. You are not helping her, you're getting at him for being a shit to YOU.

MoonlightMistletoe · 23/04/2020 20:19

I doubt the wife's that stupid to not know of all these things. You however sound bitter, let it go.

mathanxiety · 23/04/2020 21:27

I seriously doubt the wife knows all of that and still stays with him.

Do you think she's stupid or completely venal? Do you really think women have so little self respect that they would stay with a man who cheats and lies so comprehensively, just to have a roof over their heads?

@hewasatwunt, you should send the letter. The wife can decide what to make of it all. She could hire a PI or just go straight for a solicitor.

mathanxiety · 23/04/2020 21:30

And even highly intelligent women can be completely deceived by a very devious person. Maybe you think that intelligence is some sort of barrier that would protect you if your husband or partner decided that having anonymous gay sex was an attractive proposition?

It's a fallacy that leads to victim blaming.

Imok · 23/04/2020 21:31

I agree that if my husband was cheating, I'd want to know so that I had the choice of whether to kick him out of try to sort out our marriage. But, the way you are planning to do it makes it seem as though you are taking real pleasure and delight in bringing this woman's life crashing down around her. The relish with which you describe the various scenarios is downright nasty -taunting her. And in my opinion, that is sheer spite on your part. How much nastier could you be towards someone who, for all you know, has only ever done her best to be a good partner to your ex. Shame on you.

CambsAlways · 23/04/2020 22:45

Leave the wife alone

KatherineJaneway · 23/04/2020 22:59

Every single woman who answered said they would've wanted to know what their husband was doing

Do you need that? The permission of Mumsnet to send the letter? If you are going to send it anyway, you will. Don't blame or justify sending it by blaming randoms on the internet.

Taddda · 24/04/2020 00:44

Do you think she's stupid or completely venal? Do you really think women have so little self respect that they would stay with a man who cheats and lies so comprehensively, just to have a roof over their heads?

What a completely vacuous generalisation- there are many women who stay with horrendous partners for many complex reasons- to state that the only reason they would do so would be 'just to have a roof over their heads' is such a narrow minded statement- she might own the house for one- Why assume that she doesn't....?
People and relationships are not that black and white and it certainly has nothing to do with levels of intelligence-

Would you put this to a woman in an abusive relationship?

Who knows what this guy is like, he might be blatant about it, it's all guesswork and assumptions based on what information the OP has given. This isnt someone asking whether she should tell her friend, this is someone who doesn't know anything about the wife or what her home life is like- out of revenge, not sense of duty.

In all honesty I'm past caring about what the OP does- OP send the letter, but don't try and claim the moral high ground by doing so, you were in it with him until he ended things-

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mathanxiety · 24/04/2020 04:32

OK, let's be specific then Taddda.

You know nothing about this woman, yet you are getting behind the idea that she knows and wouldn't welcome the letter.

You are pretty certain about this.

This indicates that you hold certain beliefs -
Women know when they are married to a cheater.
Women stay anyway.

What are your reasons to believe this?

Do you think a woman who might not know what her husband is getting up to in men's loos with other men has the right to make informed decisions about her sex life?

mathanxiety · 24/04/2020 04:34

Do you think a woman who perhaps owns the house her husband lives in would like to be informed about his level of respect for her and for their relationship so she could contact a solicitor before making any decisions about, perhaps, leaving the house to her husband in her will?

mathanxiety · 24/04/2020 04:37

Consent - in any sphere - in marriage is based on having enough information to make decisions.

This woman may well be making decisions of all kinds without enough information to base them on.

You want to deny her the information because you don't like the motives of the bearer of the information and for spurious reasons you believe she knows everything?

How about sending her the letter and if she already knows, then no harm done?

And if she doesn't know, then she can hire a PI and make decisions based on reality after that.

Mothership4two · 24/04/2020 04:50

This thread has been going since last Wednesday

Shitsgettingcrazy · 24/04/2020 05:44

So the thread died a death. Wasn't posted on for a few days.

Op comes back with a new name change and fails, has the posts deleted.

Its clearly attention seeking. Op is clearly wanting to revel in the drama of this situation.

As this goes on, I am wondering more and more if the ops version is actually reality. She may genuinely believe what she is saying.

But she knows things he didn't tell her. Like about another woman he is sleeping with. So is she carrying out surveillance on him? Stalking him? Or is this something she believes happened that didn't?

Obviously if he has had an affair he is a shit.

But I can imagine ops version of this sorry tale, iant accurate. Even if she thinks it is.

Taddda · 24/04/2020 09:10

@mathanxiety

You know nothing about this woman, yet you are getting behind the idea that she knows and wouldn't welcome the letter.
You are pretty certain about this.
This indicates that you hold certain beliefs
Women know when they are married to a cheater.
Women stay anyway.
What are your reasons to believe this?

That's not what I wrote at all- if you read properly I clearly stated that no one knows anything about this 'for certain'.....

Stating that there are many women choose to stay with horrendous partners for many complex reasons (not the 'because they want a roof over their head' and must be 'too stupid' to act belief system you seem to hold.....) is just a fact...Notice I said 'many' not 'all'.....

Your stating things that you seem to think are fact (I'm not sure why your so transfixed on the same sex encounters she suggested he has, an affair is an affair, regardless of who it's with, totally irrelevant).

When you talk of 'deception' also take into account the word 'manipulative'- this is usually the main reason many partners put up with far more than they should.

I also told the OP to send the bloody letter...chances are the fella will intercept it anyway or come up with some well versed response about her being 'unhinged', he'll have enough to go on and evidence to back it up!

RainMustFall · 24/04/2020 10:06

The other way you could have helped his wife would have been finding an ounce of self respect and not have an affair with her husband. How do you live with yourself?

Notredamn · 24/04/2020 10:08

TBH it would be more surprising if the wife didn't know about her DH's activities than if it would come as a surprise. It's not a double life or even a triple life he's leading. He must be spending most of his time shagging about and the rest of his time planning and organising plans for all the next hundreds of 'dates' with this person, that person and the rest. None of that goes unnoticed or neglected home life at least unquestioned. Maybe him and the wife both get off on it. Who knows!
If it's all true.

ArriettyJones · 24/04/2020 10:11

Is this meant to be some kind of “Tart with a heart” genre? Relieving your conscience? Suddenly concerned about the wife?

Don’t.

KatherineJaneway · 24/04/2020 16:12

Suddenly concerned about the wife?

It's all about revenge and bitterness, wife is just collateral damage.

CandyLeBonBon · 24/04/2020 23:07

Oh ffs either send it or dont send it. Honestly the only person you give a shit about is you so send the letter in spite of a large proportion of people telling you it's a shit move, the get in touch with MNHQ and tell them you're worried about things in RL, get the thread pulled and we can go about our business.

FFS

LadyRochfordsHoickedGusset · 25/04/2020 16:59

Sod all the side arguments, I would want to know! So I can get checked out STD-wise and potentially pie the shady fucker if it all turns out to be true.

Taddda · 25/04/2020 18:18

@LadyRochfordsHoickedGusset just out of interest, when you received that letter what would be the first thing you'd do? Question your DH or phone her?