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This is what I'm writing to his wife after 'lockdown'- any suggestions for tweaks?

433 replies

hewasatwunt · 15/04/2020 22:51

Hi, please don't shoot me. Flowers

I was involved with someone who turned out to be quite dodgy. Some of you will recognized the details- have name changed just in case he views posts under my other usernames.

I think his wife should know about the hundreds of sexual assignations he's had outside marriage. I don't particularly have an axe to grind now, I just genuinely think she should know. She's in her mid 50s, she could choose a different life if she wanted.

Some people on various forums already gave me a lot of help writing this. Do any of you have any other tweaks you can suggest? All names etc have been changed.

Hi Sue, I thought you deserved to know what’s happening.

Bob is constantly seeking opportunities for encounters.

He was having an involvement with me for the best part of 18 months, from July 2018 until January 2020. I blocked him because I realized what he was like. I'm really sorry and won’t interfere in your marriage again.

Whenever he said he was with Fred and me, he was just with me. Sometimes he maybe said he was with us overnight, or gave some other excuse to be away; he was just with me. After I took him back home from his treatment, three times a week, there was some activity involved.

There’s a woman he’s seeing at times at his treatment, called Lucy. Maybe he said he was setting off early before treatment solely to give her a lift. That is not always the case. He also sometimes meets her in the afternoons.

He talks to a woman online called Eve. He has encouraged her to send him explicit photographs and videos. He’s frequently propositioning women online and asking for photos or to meet.

The first woman he mentioned having had an affair with was called Suzie and lived in Blackpool. I think that started at some point while he was studying at Manchester and finished a while after he finished there.

Around six years ago he was seeing Mina who attended the gaming club at the time. At one point they went to a bed and breakfast for a night, I think somewhere up north. His involvement with her lasted a few months.

He is bisexual and also goes to ‘adult cinemas’ where he engages in acts with several male strangers at a time. He’s been doing this for decades and it will have been hundreds if not thousands of men. He does not tend to use protection for his activities there. He tries to get women to go along to the cinema with him to join in with these pursuits, and sometimes succeeds.

There’s another woman, also called Sue, who he’s been involved with at times over the years. He invited her to go to the cinema/swingers’ clubs too. He didn’t mention this woman to me, so it just goes to show that what I’m able to let you know is just the tip of the iceberg.

There’s another dimension to this in that the women he targets or succeeds with tend to be vulnerable, or at a vulnerable time in their lives. He is exploitative, coercive and manipulative. He also lies to get what he wants, including about the nature of your relationship. Some women didn’t give meaningful consent as it was when they were ill, through exploiting their vulnerabilities, or it was given under false pretenses.

Sorry to let you know about all this, but I thought you should be aware.

-Judy.

P.S. If you want more evidence or to discuss this further, you can contact me

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BackseatCookers · 16/04/2020 13:58

@HollySideEyes

Don't you think sending this during lockdown (especially when the guy can't have contact with others anyway) is needlessly cruel?

If she finds out now she's stuck with this man until lockdown is over. Imagine how absolutely awful that would be, having to look at him the whole time.

What's the upside of sending it during lockdown rather than afterwards, other than wanting him to be as uncomfortable as possible but not taking into account that his wife will be as uncomfortable as possible by extension?

It's utterly selfish not to wait.

Notredamn · 16/04/2020 14:05

The amount of tacit forgiveness for mr STI is unbelievable

What, where? Are you on the wrong thread? Your whole post seems out of context.

HollySideEyes · 16/04/2020 14:08

Timing is not good no. But if it were a good friend or loved one of mine no way would I want them living in ignorance either. I'd want them to know ASAP so that they could remove themselves (after lockdown) or at least mentally distance themselves for the time being from someone who treats them like utter shit and doesn't deserve them.

HollySideEyes · 16/04/2020 14:11

His behaviour is hardly mentioned Notredamn, don't be disingenuous now.

CuppaZa · 16/04/2020 14:12

FWIW I think the letter she wrote is awful. She does say she wants to send it after lockdown.
OP stated in previous posts that she has mental health issues. OP, you need to contact someone and get support. You frequently change username and come back, but what’s the point as you are highly identifiable? I would suggest not sending that letter to the wife. I promise you, you will NOT feel any better. Seek help for what you are feeling. You must be a glutton for punishment to keep coming back here with the same stuff.

Quarantimespringclean · 16/04/2020 14:12

Don't you think sending this during lockdown (especially when the guy can't have contact with others anyway) is needlessly cruel?

Telling her in lockdown would be very unreasonable but the OP doesn’t seem like a reasonable person when it comes to this situation.

Assuming that this man will pay any more attention to the rules of lockdown than he does to any of the other rules and mores that should govern his personal and professional life seems optimistic.

Taddda · 16/04/2020 14:14

But if it were a good friend or loved one of mine no way would I want them living in ignorance either.

I agree, but it's not, it's coming from 'the other woman'...scorned!

jojobar · 16/04/2020 14:18

But Holly surely you can see there's a world of difference between a brief note to the wife saying 'I'm sorry, I've been having sex with your husband for x months, I know that he has been seeing other men and women too. I wanted you to know for your own safety'

is massive different to what the OP is wanting to send?

But in any event, the OP is only sending this because she wants to hurt the wife, get her out of the picture and get herself back in. Hence why she's not thinking about the wife's feelings, she is just collateral damage.

As someone who's been on the receiving end of this shit (and in the end had to threaten police before she stopped harrassing me) it is fucking hurtful and this is ALWAYS the reason it's done, not to inform or out of some idea of sisterhood. Because if you believed in the sisterhood OP you wouldn't have spent 18 months fucking someone else's husband.

BackseatCookers · 16/04/2020 14:34

I'd want them to know ASAP so that they could remove themselves (after lockdown) or at least mentally distance themselves for the time being from someone who treats them like utter shit and doesn't deserve them.

Why? Why would you want them to be in lockdown with such a terrible man?

And you honestly think they would read that letter and be able to detach and mentally distance themselves 'for the time being' from their husband of many years, as if that's an easy thing to do.

She would cry every night, be confused and humiliated with no way of seeing friends or family for a cuddle and a talk - all while living with the man who has been living a lie for years.

Why now rather than after lockdown when this poor woman can have support from loved ones? You say so she can remove herself after lockdown... so why not wait until lockdown is over?

There is no benefit to the wife knowing now rather than after lockdown. So if the intention of the letter is to save the wife from the lies of her husband and protect her from STIs and further damage, she should wait.

If the intention of telling during lockdown is to make life as difficult as possible for the husband, knowing full well it will make it infinitely worse for the wife then she should go ahead. But she can't do so without admitting the only motivation is revenge, not helping the wife.

Whatisthisfuckery · 16/04/2020 14:34

Is this the OP who posted about having an affair with the therapist who basically exploited her when she was in a bipolar manic episode?

If so, OP, drop this now. Walk away and move on. It will not do your future MH or well being any good if you send this letter. At the most you’ll get a momentary sense of satisfaction, followed by weeks and months of wondering what’s happened. At the worst it will be much worse than that.

If he’s such a prolific cheat his wife will already know, and I very much suspect her attitude will be that you weren’t so bothered while you were fucking him.

Let it go. Move on. There is nothing for you to gain by doing this.

Notredamn · 16/04/2020 14:41

@HollySideEyes don't you be disingenuous. His behaviour isn't what is being asked about or discussed. I don't think any one person on this thread would back the dirty bastard.

KathyBriggs360 · 16/04/2020 14:51

@HollySideEyes just 14 pages of Patriarchal nonsense, blaming the OP and totally absorbing the cheating slimebag of a man.

At least there are a few people who know where to point the real finger and if I were you OP, I would get out of here and find a group of people who have more sympathy with your situation.

KathyBriggs360 · 16/04/2020 14:51

That should read absolving not absorbing.

RaspberryBubblegum · 16/04/2020 14:54

@BackseatCookers it says in the title she will be sending the letter after lockdown.

If my DH did this I would absolutely want to know.

Isitsixoclockalready · 16/04/2020 15:42

Looking through the thread, I'm confused as to where people are supposedly trying to condone or absolve the guy of his behaviour.

BackseatCookers · 16/04/2020 15:45

@RaspberryBubblegum

it says in the title she will be sending the letter after lockdown.

Sorry I realise that was confusing, my bad, on that point I was responding to posters who said the OP should send it as soon as possible.

Samtsirch · 16/04/2020 16:04

I don’t think OP needs to send the letter.
It is posted on here in the hopes that the man in question will see it and recognise himself.
You will never get what you want or need from him OP, it’s time to recognise that the game is up.

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 16/04/2020 17:15

Patriarchal nonsense? Please could you link me to any post where someone has:

  1. Defended the man in question and tried to say he's really not that bad at all
  2. Made excuses for his behaviour (eg, oh, maybe he's just highly sexed etc)
  3. Blamed the wife for his transgressions.

Not a single person has done that. I'm sure we can all agree this man is a literal piece of shit. I certainly think so. But him being a shit does not mean that the OP is an angel either does it? a man acting like a piece of shit does not mean conversely that the woman MUST be right. Its perfectly possible that two people, one male and one female, can both have questionable ethics and treat others poorly and be in a toxic relationship that hurts and scars everyone around them.
I am the first to call out patriarchal crap and I wouldnt spit on this man if he was on fire, but that doesnt mean the OP can do whatever the fck she wants and can be immune to criticism. Her letter is certainly NOT supporting a fellow woman at all. Quite the opposite. If anyone is upholding a damaging patriarchal ideology I'd say it was the OP.

BackseatCookers · 16/04/2020 17:32

Everything @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter just said - one of the best, most sensible posts I've seen in ages.

midsomermurderess · 16/04/2020 17:34

Some people just pick stuff up on here, patriarchal, narcissistic, controlling, bullying, often when not fully understand the terms they're using.

GilbertMarkham · 16/04/2020 17:37

Who cares if ops doing it for revenge; his wife deserves to know what a dirty bastard he is.

All the people who are so sure she knows (everything let alone anything) .. bullshit.

pictish · 16/04/2020 17:41

Well said. I agree.

Patriarchal nonsense? I call bullshit on that one.
No one is defending him or diminishing his culpability in the slightest by making the OP responsible for her own actions...which appear to be to send a shitstorm of a letter to an innocent party to avenge herself.
Dirty tactics get a negative response. Of course.

GilbertMarkham · 16/04/2020 17:42

*sorry that should've been anything let alone everything

chickenyhead · 16/04/2020 17:43

She does deserve to know, if she doesn't already, which is unlikely, but there is a difference between ripping the plaster off and amputating the leg.

OP has not drafted a factually clear letter with the wife in mind. She is targeting the wrong person with her ire.

She has no doubt been mistreated by this creep, as has his wife, but why would she want the wife to suffer to the same extent. She is being as cruel as him and her timing sucks.

People are right, they are actually giving her sterling advice, she needs help urgently.

pictish · 16/04/2020 18:20

This is not divine justice...it’s just misery loving company.

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