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Shall I tell his wife about your affair?

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IWillHaveAnotherOneThankYou · 02/04/2020 22:04

Hello all,

I am fairly new here, I actually just registered because I'd really like to know people's opinions on my situation.

In autumn last year I became close to my then colleague. He was newly separated from his wife, but not divorced. They have three kids (a 4 year old and 1 year old twins). He'd moved to a small rented flat and left his wife and the kids in their home. The plan was, as he told me straight from the start, to start the divorce in summer 2020 because apparently that's when his wife's widowed mother would officially retire and move in with his wife to help with the kids (they're apparently a bit of a handful).

He said that his wife doesn't know about us because it's better this way apparently. He indicated that it may be easier for everyone to tell her after the divorce to keep 'things in check', whatever that means.

The thing is that we didn't hide our affair very well at work and as a result I lost my job because of that (it wasn't so straightforward but essentially it came down to the fact that one of us had to go and as he was senior, but not my manager, he was more 'valuable' for the company and so I had to go). That was in January. I have got over it more less by now, however, as he's an experienced IT expert, he was head hunted for and was offered a better job elsewhere and left the company a month after me to start in his new, better paid job. So the sum total of this is that I've lost my job but cannot find a new one easily, at least not in my line of work, because most companies have temporarily frozen recruitment, whilst he's enjoying a great step up in his career. Unfair much?

To top it off, just before the lockdown he moved back home (apparently for the sake of the kids so that they don't suffer without seeing him for the duration of the lockdown) but his wife's mother is apparently there as well, supposedly helping with the kids and he confirmed that she's taken the guest bedroom which would mean that he's back in the marital bed with his wife. So there is he with his wife and her mother and of course the three kids in their home, for the duration of the isolation.

Here is the thing - our relationship has become rather sour, I'd even say non-existent during this lockdown period. Previously he would message me a 100 times a day, but now I haven't heard from him for a couple of days. Previously he would be super affectionate, lovey dovey, planning our future and generally being swept of his feet by me etc etc etc. Now, at my age (36) I approach this love bombing with caution but I think he really was genuine when things were great. I don't understand what's happened but I feel very hurt by the sudden lack of his attention. When I asked him about it, he didn't really say anything.

I went from feeling sad, to confused, to super angry. When I consider that I lost my job because of our affair (I know, I know, I took part in it voluntarily) but he smoothly transitioned from one job to another, it makes me fume inside. He used to be all lovey dovey treating me almost like the love of his life - this went on consistently for months and now nothing. I don't hear anything from him at all. Not a beep. I've tried to initiate some contact this week but he came across as distant and all his affection/love/ enthusiasm for me was gone.

I am super angry. I am also feeling lonely (I live alone). I am jobless and generally things are not easy. I probably came off as a bit of clingy when trying to talk to him this week, that's not my usual self. He always admired how strong and independent I am. And now I was almost begging for attention. It's not a situation I've experienced before and my ego is taking over my rationale. The last straw was when tonight I saw him bragging to someone about his new job on LinkedIn. I really, really feel very close to letting his wife know about us....They were separated anyways and according to him, the divorce proceedings were to start in summer. It just seems so very unfair that he seems to be getting away with everything and coming across as the good guy (a responsible father who didn't want to be separated from the kids too long and a reliable breadwinner who quickly moved to a better paid job). Nobody knows about our affair - well, apart from people at our old office, but deep down I wish he suffered a bit too. I know it's awful to admit this, I should probably be the better person here but it's very, very hard. Normally the right thing to do in this situation would be to move on and find someone else, with better circumstances but I can't even date anyone else because of this lockdown! Part of me deep down wants to let his wife know which would, potentially, make their isolation situation rather unpleasant, hopefully for him mainly!

Thoughts please? I think I know what you all will probably tell me - that I should raise above it and let it be and move on. But that's that one thing that it's hard for me to do and I dont' even want to do that if I am perfectly honest. It feels like I am the one who is paying for everything but he's is breezily running through it all with flying effing colours...

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famousforwrongreason · 03/04/2020 00:04

I hate the fact that we keep others' nasty little secrets for them.
I've never been thanked for being the messenger and I notice that people really don't want the truth regardless of how shit their situation is or how bad a person is.
British are experts in wilful blindness and cognitive dissonance.
I'm not British and I have really struggled with this.
Any old people or Stephen King fans will recognise this when I say I feel like the crazy woman in Misery who went nuts at the lack of continuity in the matinee and the fact that all the viewers just wanted to ignore it and get on with the film.

Leflic · 03/04/2020 00:07

Op, everything he’s telling you is bullshit so he can make the best of the situation. Dropping you has probably got more to do with money (new well paid job equals more expensive divorce).
Truth is, people that like you, want to be with you. Regardless. It’s hard but he really doesn’t like you that much.

I would tell his wife so she is crystal clear what sort of relationship she’s in. I agree that lockdown is NOT the time.

bringincrazyback · 03/04/2020 00:07

This must all be so painful for you OP, but I think you need to be the bigger person here. You'll be the one who comes off looking bad if you tell her - very unfair when he's treated you so badly, but unfortunately that tends to be how these things roll.

Move on and up, you deserve better. He's been a real dick towards you.

mochajoes · 03/04/2020 00:13

I've never been thanked for being the messenger and I notice that people really don't want the truth regardless of how shit their situation is or how bad a person is.

Don't know if it's a British thing but agree with the above.

AlwaysAllegra · 03/04/2020 00:13

Honestly ladies, stop bashing OP! Even if she does tell the wife, she has not been the one who has committed adultery, lied, played two women unknowingly against each other, wrecked both of their lives by being a fucktard and really doesn't have a conscience. He has not just hurt OP's feelings, he has made her lose her job and if she can't get another, possibly her home and you women talk about sympathy when he's skipped off playing happy families after having his cake and eating it.

OP would advise you to send her an honest and passive message, saying you took his word that they were separated but in retrospect, you now believe they weren't. Send evidence. Explain if you were in her shoes, you would want to know. Apologise to her for any pain this information may cause her, but explain you too have been hurt emotionally and financially. Be kind to her, she is more innocent in this than you.

Going forward, if a man has a child age 1 then they clearly had sex not that long ago and babies are hardwork and he probably wasn't getting all the attention he wanted at the time. Don't be so gullible next time and don't shit where you eat, as your job is more important than this bellend.

Keep busy during Lockdown, everything is more heightened. So use this time to draft your message a few times and think how you would feel reading it. I agree maybe to wait for a couple of weeks before sending for a few reasons

  1. right now you're angry
  2. his wife shouldn't receive the message during this time, especially with lots of little ones around her
  3. make him think he's got off the hook and then send it

Also delete his number and don't text him again. Good luck

squirrelsbizaar · 03/04/2020 00:18

Are you sure his wife doesn't already know.
He moved into a flat when his wife had not long given birth to twins and she was ok with that ?
I can see why you are angry, you've certainly had the shitty end of the stick, but I don't think you probably need to do anything, being cooped up together during lockdown will bring up any cracks that are already in the relationship.
But don't take him back, he's not only cheating his wife, he also cheated you out of your job. Move on and don't waste any more time on this waste of space.

krustykittens · 03/04/2020 00:21

I agree with every word AlwaysAllegra said! The OP didn't have an affair, she thought she was in a relationship with a man who was separated from his wife and pursuing a divorce! Why the fuck should you be the 'bigger person', OP, and coverup for this lying piece of shit who is also hurting his wife and kids with his behaviour? Keep your cool, wait for lockdown to be over and then tell his wife. She deserves to know what she is married to.

Morningshere · 03/04/2020 00:27

So sorry OP
Doesn't sound like you've done anything wrong (he sounds like a dick)
I think he's been lying to you. Although I must say, I don't know why you would want to be involved with some guy that's got such a messed up life. What kind of guy leaves his wife with a 4 year old and 1 year old twins? Then complains they're a handful.
Cut contact, move on and meet someone that loves you for you and appreciates you!

Jayaywhynot · 03/04/2020 00:29

Dignity hun, your dignity, chin up tits out and move on

abitlostandalwayshungry · 03/04/2020 00:31

Shocking though it may seem, it's not the women who are responsible, directly or indirectly, for men's poor behaviour.
^
This!

Pantsomime · 03/04/2020 00:32

OP don’t bother telling wife - he lost her trust & respect & probably love when he abandoned her with his 4 year old & baby twins. Its quite funny really he’ll be hating being stuck facing his screaming, crying, shitting bundles of responsibility under the eye of his MIL who probably won’t hide what a shit she thinks he is & a furious wife who will make him suffer. He’s probably in martial bed with screaming twins while wife gets some respite with the 4 yo. Only a shit makes babies & runs off. You’ve had a lucky escape & his wife has him dealing with his responsibilities

EmpressMcSchnozzle · 03/04/2020 00:35

He's a liar, a cheat, and a user. Any way you look at it. Yes, you've been naive. And as for being "good in bed", have you thought about how he might have acquired those skills?! I suspect you're not the first woman he's cheated with and you certainly won't be the last. Leopards and spots and all that.

As someone else said, those one year old twins make for an interesting timeline too....

I feel sorry for his wife and kids. I feel sorry for you. He's a massive dick.

I think your company has behaved appallingly (didn't they have a proper HR department? Were they very small and was it "all boys together?" "Nobody knew he was separated and it would reflect badly on the department?" What is this, the 1950s? Sounds like a few guilty consciences there to me...)

And yes, wait for the end of Lockdown (which will come one day despite how it might feel right now) and then reconsider whether you want to tell his wife or whether you want to let karma take its course and simply wash your hands of this utter waste of space and oxygen. I'm only in favour of the delay for the sake of the kids and the fact that Lockdown is turning everything into a bit of a pressure cooker for some folk and we're still only at the start of it.

In the meantime, see what legal advice you can get about the job situation. I take it you're not in a union.

SandyY2K · 03/04/2020 00:47

Something doesn't quite add up with his situation. He left his wife, 4 year old and infant twins...before his MIL moved in and pretty much checked out of parenting. Should have been a sign.

He wasn't even divorced and you were talking of future plans...all.a but hasty.

I can tell you that any legal claim probably wouldn't be heard in a Tribunal till 2022. Thete are so many cases to hear. You agreed to redundancy.

If he was genuinely separated, he would have been open with his colleagues about it...so there was no sneaking around.

That should have been a clue for you and your mum was right. ..separated men with kids can go back to their wives.

You should have better assessed his character when he told you, his wife hoped for a reconciliation. Yet he didn't have the guts to tell her he was seeing someone else and planning a future with them.

You aren't entirely innocent in all this and now you're angry because you see how disposable you are in the workplace and in the affair..as you named it

As human beings, we often see what we want to see...you ignored some red flags and are paying the price.

I'm usually one to say tell the wife...but not under lockdown with kids and MIL in the house.

If you tell her...you'll have no idea if he's suffering as you want him to...so what's the point? Or would you welcome him to come to you,if she kicks him out?

Flipsockflop · 03/04/2020 00:52

OP my children are aged 18 months and 4 years old, I would 100% want to know if my husband had been doing this. I’d hate to be living a lie, id protect my children best I could from the fallout and wouldn’t have the luxury of my mother being here with us. I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t want to know.

If he’s been honest about you there won’t be a fallout anyway.

You’ve had a really shit time, I hope things improve for you very soon.

Krazynights34 · 03/04/2020 01:02

Why do you keep saying you assume she’s not stupid (his wife)?
That is really disparaging of someone you know nothing about.
Presuming that he was actually separated from her (and not just very good at lying) she has done nothing wrong. And not have you. And nor did he.
So, if all he told you is true, it was not his fault you lost your job.
Take it up with the company.
Take your anger out in where it should lie.
You had a good time but it’s ended.
You (perhaps) made a poor decision to not hide the relationship but if it didn’t matter at the time you must have known what you were (both) risking.
Live with that choice.
The romance is gone.
You need a job etc so focus on you, not the man’s “not stupid” (could be extremely intelligent/ interesting/wonderful) wife.

Inkpaperstars · 03/04/2020 01:04

I wouldn't tell his wife. I would just let him think that maybe I might. Like, a text saying 'glad you and (wife) have been able to sort things out especially at this time of stress your family need you. I am really glad she was so understanding about us and hope she won't have too many hard feelings since you were separated and divorcing at the time. Best of luck. Stay safe during this pandemic.'

1forAll74 · 03/04/2020 01:10

Just leave the man and his family alone now, and don't tell the wife.He obviously cares about his family, and you are but a short time partner.
People say all sorts of wonderful things in affairs.but now it's crunch time for everyone due to this horrible virus, and it's hardly surprising,that he want's to be near his small children.. Do not be spiteful about anything now!

expat101 · 03/04/2020 01:12

I think its no surprise that MIL is there. I suspect Wife didn't want to be alone with him, so brought Mum in as the referee and peace keeper.

Having said that, I think for the moment you need to put his living arrangements aside from your thinking and I would def. recommend emailing a Solicitor about your employment issue. That doesn't sound right to me and it's all a bit too convenient for the company to have done this...

Keep in mind its not hard to over think things when living by yourself and now this isolation business going on. Terrible timing for you on several accounts, but do try and keep your head up.

Leave the relationship decision until later. Text conversations (like written ones) are never very good at judging a heated situation.

Good luck!

DonKeyshot · 03/04/2020 01:14

I bet a pound to a penny that his shiny new job will present him with a shiny new woman that he'll take a shine to.and she'll fall for his dick schtick just as you did.

I suggest you use AlwaysAlelegra advice re drafting a message to his wife, but I don't believe you should wait until the current lockdown is over before sending it as his wife has her dm with her and it would be far better for her to know what's been going on before the dm goes back to her own place.

However, with regard to your statement that "In public we were acting like a couple, meaning: he wasn't hiding me. I wouldn't agree to being hidden anyway", you most certainly colluded with him in being hidden from the one person who most deserved to know about your liaison namely, his wife.

It takes a particularly callous shithead to leave his wife shortly after the birth of his twins, especially when there's another little one for her to care for too. It therefore occurs to me that he may have moved into a flat because his wife kicked him out after discovering he was playing away wth another woman while she was pregnant.

If this should be the case it's quite likely that, during the time he was wooing you, he was romancing her into forgiving and forgetting so that he could return home.

This man is so obviously deceitful and duplicitous that I wouldn't put anything past him and it could be that his wife won't be surprised by your 'news'.

YourWinter · 03/04/2020 01:15

OP you're ranting like a teenager who couldn't believe her lover could treat her so badly.

I'd be surprised if his wife doesn't already know - not the details, but if he really had moved into a rented flat she'll know it's because he wasn't getting enough at home, what with the twins and a pre-school child too. She might not know what the truth is but, like most women, she'd know if he wasn't telling it. You do realise there are women who put up with their husbands carrying on like this year in, year out, fairly sure that's the way it will be for years to come. Maybe they put up with it because they're financially more secure in the marriage, on these obsure terms, than out of it. Maybe because these really small children are actually better with their father and mother staying together in this way, though the future may pan out differently. Maybe it'll stay that way until his wife ends the marriage - he has no need to, if he can award himself freedom to shag around when he needs a bit of a thrill. Maybe he was renting, temporarily, because it's happened so many times before, and this time she demanded he leave? He's a liar, but he's the liar she's married to, he's the liar that is still daddy to three little kids, and unless there's violence or abuse as a factor, they're probably better having him around.

If you think telling his wife about YOU and your brief part in his life will make you feel better, you're probably wrong. If you think telling her will ruin his life, you're probably still wrong. He's a self-centred prick but can you just put it down to experience? And next time you're being chatted up by someone who says he's separated, but has very small children... wait to see if a divorce actually is happening before you fall in love.

GatoradeMeBitch · 03/04/2020 01:21

Maybe he's not in a lovey dovey mood while being in the middle of the reality of parenting a 4 year old and 1 year old twins. Do you know why he and his wife split? If it was because she did the lions share of childcare he may be finally realizing how much work that is while he can't leave. Maybe he's the type of person who compartmentalizes, so you're out of sight out of mind...

I think it would be unfair to let his wife know about your relationship now. She's self isolating with him and her mother and three young children she can't get away from. That would be a pretty severe level of headfuck.

Some of your anger sounds displaced. His wife doesn't even know you exist, she's done nothing to you. Try not to feel resentful towards her. And the job situation although unfair to you, was not really his fault - unless he asked you to resign. You had bad luck, he had good luck. it goes that way sometimes. Try to separate all that from your actual relationship with this man. And don't lash out in anger unless you're very sure you want nothing more to do with him, because that will probably be the end result.

lyralalala · 03/04/2020 01:45

It sounds to me like you were played by someone like a friend of mine was. The rented flat was purely to let him focus on work. It wasn't the bachelor pad it was made out to be. The fact your guy is back home during this, rather than in the rented house suggests it's exactly the same.

will call him out on that which will hopefully make his isolation a living hell

It will also make the life of a woman who is trying to deal with three small children in the midst of this pandemic hell. She'll be stuck living in the house with him.

He may deserve it, but she certainly doesn't. Don't look at not telling her now as him getting away with it, but as you giving her a bit more consideration and kindness than he has.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/04/2020 01:45

Even though your motives aren't 'pure', she still deserves to know she's married to a lying cheat.

Send her your evidence and tell her. If you don't hear from her in, say, a week then block her. I'm assuming he is already blocked. Then move on.

chergar · 03/04/2020 01:55

I agree that the wife deserves to know but I don't think this information should come from you.

You are hurting and feeling bitter, telling his wife will not change anything in your life, you will still be single and jobless.
He has been a dick and I think being totally honest he was using you as an escape from real life, having 3 small children is hard and he probably wasn't the centre of his wife's universe, you gave him that, you boosted his ego. He had carefree fun with you. Had he been serious about a relationship and future with you he would have spoken up at work when your job was on the line, this shows he doesn't care and he was selfish.

Yeah it looks like he will move on and play happy families with his wife but that's not your concern, your relationship is over, he won't come running back to you if you tell his wife, as I said before telling her is no benefit to you.

Walk away with your head held high, you did nothing wrong and you have had a raw deal but leave it in the past and move on.

Look in to the legal aspects of your redundancy, that is not a revenge move and it may bring you some benefit.

ferando81 · 03/04/2020 01:56

Depends on whether the op is telling the truth but if she is .He was separated and promised her a future.He then proceeded to cover his own ass when the relationship was causing problems at work and encouraged her to go quietly and that he would see her right after they get together.He then breaks all his promises and stops talking too her.

I would never encourage op to contact wife (for all reasons given by other posters) but wouldn’t criticise her if she did.