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Feeling DH is domineering. Can't face it.

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Earlgrey19 · 06/03/2020 18:52

Going to Relate with DH, but so far it's putting me more intensely in touch of feelings of resentment, and I'm feeling like I can't stand him to be around, though he's not doing anything hugely wrong. In many ways he's a decent human being and good Dad.

I think the worst aspect for me is that I find DH domineering, even though none of the instances are terrible, and they arise out of rigidity rather than a desire for power for the sake of it. I'll give some examples:
when he gets tired at night he wants to go to bed that second, and I have to jump into action to get to bed too. He doesn't want me to come to bed any later, because he says he can't get to sleep knowing that I'm going to come in (as this will disturb/wake) him. If I take the time to wash my face, put my clothes away etc. (he is very quick and leaves his clothes on the floor), he can get agitated and cross with me. It's stressful. So he gets to decide. I feel that a lot of our life is lived like this, with me having to accommodate to his way of doing things, and his views, or else deal with his stress/anxiety/agitation. He cannot tolerate difference of opinion. Another example: he has decided that during the peak of the corona epidemic in the UK we should self-isolate for 3-6 weeks even if healthy, to avoid being ill during the time when the health system is most overburdened. This may have some logic to it, but my point is that this is what he has decided, and it would have quite a big impact on us all. I'm not working at the moment, so I can't refuse on the grounds of work, so perhaps he thinks I should just go along with any plan he thinks is best. I'm just so often feeling, 'what about my point of view?' !!! If it differs from his, he won't accept it. I'm not a passive or timid person (though I do find conflict stressful) and I do speak up, but the Relate sessions so far have made me realise the extent of how awful I'm finding this aspect of our relationship. In the last session he was talking about a past row, and telling me 'Your intention was x, and you were feeling x' when the counsellor suddenly stopped him and said, 'you can't tell her what her feelings and intentions are, you need to rephrase that'. I thought, my God, yes! he does this a lot! At the moment I'm feeling like I want to leave so I have the freedom to make my own choices, feel my own feelings and have my points of view without them being squashed if they disagree with his. But I'm financially dependent, and it's going to take me a while to get my ducks in a row, maybe a year. Plus I feel terrible for the kids, like I'm being selfish, when he hasn't done anything awful, and they have good relationships with him. In a bit of a dilemma.

OP posts:
5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 12:47

I am another graduate of the 'come to bed now because I say so' school. I'd never heard anyone else speak of it before...like so much of dominant over bearing behaviour it relied on it being difficult to talk about because (as my dd now says) you have to have lived it to 'get it'. If your situation is anything like mine was it will be just one of many selfish behaviours, all enforced through the unspoken threat of vicious verbal attack if you disagree.

Look after yourself. Don't assume that he has your shared interest at heart.

In addition to Lundy Bancroft, the verbally abusive relationship is a useful resource. 💐

I didn't for a long time and it got worse and worse.

5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 12:51

Sorry for out of order last line... hopefully enough there to make sense.

LadyMadderRose · 11/03/2020 13:02

My DC also understand it, but it's very hard to explain it to anyone else who hasn't been there, and my ex successfully convinces most people he's charming and lovely.

tarasmalatarocks · 11/03/2020 13:15

I’m with you on the going to bed thing— I get exactly the same. Switches tv off etc , thing is these habits kind of creep up and you don’t notice until in my case someone else passed comment

5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 13:59

@LadyMadderRose it sounds like we would have a lot in common.

I had to let xh have his preferred morning bathroom slot...he would have his half hour ( a bit more if he was tired) then I would have to get me and kids through afterwards and out for school. At one point he was redundant, but I still wasn't allowed it because it was important that he kept his routine....

Sorry for derailing op, it just reminded me.

LadyMadderRose · 11/03/2020 14:30

Oh god 5leaf - the bathroom. Ex had this thing that he had to go first in the bathroom in the mornings. Then he would sit around and not go. Then if I said "OK I could just nip in first if you're not ready" he'd say no, he was a bout to go. Then he'd delay a bit more. If I got up and just headed for the bathroom he'd run and get in first! Hmm He just had to "win" and be on top.

Also apologies to OP for the hijack! - but I hope it helps to know we all know exactly what you're talking about. And it's not you it's him.

5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 15:12

Oh LMR, they were definitely cut from the same cloth. If I tried to go in first he would shout a list of jobs I should do downstairs instead.

If I mentioned that he didn't leave me enough time and could he go earlier he would sneer that if I was that bothered I should get up an hour earlier each day so as to be out before his special slot.

And don't get me started on the begging needed if you were desperate for the ( only) toilet and asked to him interrupt the routine between bath and shave.

The point is OP that they can be a major dick about minor things. Over and over. And it never changes. And as a one off it seems like nothing, so you don't talk about it. But in fact it's you being treated as if you are nothing... because in their selfish minds you just aren't as important as they are.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 11/03/2020 15:13

Hello - can I join you on the "WE are going to bed" thread..?

I now hang around downstairs deliberately for a few minutes... hanging up washing, plugging my mobile in, having a glass of water. Just to make my point in a small way...

I have walked upstairs to find the bedroom in complete darkness and him asleep only 10 minutes after he went up!

Don't worry - I'm onto him!

jamaisjedors · 11/03/2020 19:34

It's amazing, everyone on this thread is married to my ex!!!

My ex saw himself as Mr lovely, equal-minded feminist and would never have admitted to trying to dominate, even to himself probably. He would protest (too much) that he thought my career was great. But he was always subtly undermining my achievements and was absolutely desperate to ensure his professional status was above mine.

This was totally true for me, after being very supportive early in my career, exh then constantly snipped in subtle ways once I really became successful.

Like many on here, I am a feminist and dont see myself as "cowed" but it's so hard to argue all the time and you end up self censoring for a quieter life.

For years exh had me convinced there was something wrong with me but when I left him, his breakdown revealed a whole lot of psychological or psychiatric problems.

The obsessive compulsive personality is something to read up about.

The difference with OCD is that people with OCD know it's a problem but struggle to control it.

People with obsessive compulsive traits or personality disorder think THEIR way is the right way and only way of doing things and everyone else is sloppy and wrong.

It came as a huge relief to me when the head of the psychiatric unit where exh was kept after our breakup said to me "it must have been tough living with him".

That was after seeing him for 3 days, a few minutes per day.

All along I always felt I wasn't good enough, not up to his standards, and was constantly chasing my tail to keep up with his "rules".

everythingbackbutyou · 11/03/2020 21:06

LMR, you are describing perfectly the relationship I chose to leave in November after 20 years together. In a few days I will be taking a mini break with my kids, and shall thoroughly enjoy driving myself, eating where the kids want and not living in abject terror of a grown up throwing his toys out the pram.

LadyMadderRose · 11/03/2020 21:34

It is actually amazing how much of it all sounds like the same person. I also had a bread situation - he had the special knowledge of how to cut bread neatly, and I always ruined it by cutting it wonky (I’ll admit that eventually I cut it extra wonky on purpose, yes I sank to his PA level Blush ). And there was also a bed thing - he didn’t tell me when to go to bed as such, but he would demand that the moment he decided to go to sleep, the lights went out and I wasn’t allowed to keep reading. But if I wanted to go to sleep first, he could keep reading and keep the light on. And like so much of it, I just couldn’t face the stupid argument and denials if I tried to raise it.

Solidarity to us all, those who’ve left and those who are still enduring this 💪

5LeafClover · 11/03/2020 22:28

This thread is unexpectedly turning into a thousand light bulb moment for me. Jamais...I thought I'd read the internet by now, but that illustration is spot on. And the acronym. Low mirth indeed.
LMR another yes.....the bedroom light being entirely for his convenience, never a do you mind just switching it off there and then.

everythingbackbutyou · 12/03/2020 07:31

Low mirth also indeed! For years, the best description I could come up with as I scrambled to figure out stbxh's behaviour was 'Eeyore'
Where the fuck do these guys get off?!

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 12/03/2020 07:55

That LOW MIRTH list ticks nearly every box! Wow.

My only difference is that he spends huge amounts of money mainly on his hobbies.

5LeafClover · 12/03/2020 08:01

Mine was very (very) keen on hobby spending too. Its like there's a script for these guys in the same way that there's a script for cheater's. I had no idea, I thought I'd just been unlucky.... although (ofc) he would say that I'd brought it on myself through my many personality flaws.

Forest1000 · 12/03/2020 11:36

Small mercies...I might have to deal with the bread cutting issue, but I'm not in the "We are going to bed now" school, nor the weird bathroom routine (having an inflexible bathroom routine would simply not be optimal, and optimising and perfecting everything seems to be one of the drivers for my OH).

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