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Feeling DH is domineering. Can't face it.

117 replies

Earlgrey19 · 06/03/2020 18:52

Going to Relate with DH, but so far it's putting me more intensely in touch of feelings of resentment, and I'm feeling like I can't stand him to be around, though he's not doing anything hugely wrong. In many ways he's a decent human being and good Dad.

I think the worst aspect for me is that I find DH domineering, even though none of the instances are terrible, and they arise out of rigidity rather than a desire for power for the sake of it. I'll give some examples:
when he gets tired at night he wants to go to bed that second, and I have to jump into action to get to bed too. He doesn't want me to come to bed any later, because he says he can't get to sleep knowing that I'm going to come in (as this will disturb/wake) him. If I take the time to wash my face, put my clothes away etc. (he is very quick and leaves his clothes on the floor), he can get agitated and cross with me. It's stressful. So he gets to decide. I feel that a lot of our life is lived like this, with me having to accommodate to his way of doing things, and his views, or else deal with his stress/anxiety/agitation. He cannot tolerate difference of opinion. Another example: he has decided that during the peak of the corona epidemic in the UK we should self-isolate for 3-6 weeks even if healthy, to avoid being ill during the time when the health system is most overburdened. This may have some logic to it, but my point is that this is what he has decided, and it would have quite a big impact on us all. I'm not working at the moment, so I can't refuse on the grounds of work, so perhaps he thinks I should just go along with any plan he thinks is best. I'm just so often feeling, 'what about my point of view?' !!! If it differs from his, he won't accept it. I'm not a passive or timid person (though I do find conflict stressful) and I do speak up, but the Relate sessions so far have made me realise the extent of how awful I'm finding this aspect of our relationship. In the last session he was talking about a past row, and telling me 'Your intention was x, and you were feeling x' when the counsellor suddenly stopped him and said, 'you can't tell her what her feelings and intentions are, you need to rephrase that'. I thought, my God, yes! he does this a lot! At the moment I'm feeling like I want to leave so I have the freedom to make my own choices, feel my own feelings and have my points of view without them being squashed if they disagree with his. But I'm financially dependent, and it's going to take me a while to get my ducks in a row, maybe a year. Plus I feel terrible for the kids, like I'm being selfish, when he hasn't done anything awful, and they have good relationships with him. In a bit of a dilemma.

OP posts:
category12 · 06/03/2020 21:41

I think you should think about what happens when the dc get older. How do you see him handling teenagers with their own strong opinions? If he squashes you down and can't tolerate difference of opinion from you, do you really want him to do the same to the dc throughout their childhood and young adulthood? It's harming you, it will harm them. At 5 & 2, he won't feel the challenge to his authority yet - but when he does ...

NotNowPlzz · 06/03/2020 21:47

I have been in a relationship like this and I think this can be a wonderful opportunity for personal growth for you. It was for me. I learned to be assertive with him and this is actually working wonders throughout my whole life.

I think the key thing is to not be afraid of arguments and not to try to keep the peace. But to expect equality in everything, and when it's not there, to fight for it. Do not back down. Let him be angry. So freaking what? You're angry too, and that means no less. Value yourself and stand up for yourself. It takes some work to get right but the results have been phenomenal for me. I'm more confident in every setting.

everythingbackbutyou · 06/03/2020 21:49

After 20 years of marriage I just got rid of one who was very similar to your husband - he was exactly the same with regard to bedtime. When he wanted to go to bed then it was time for bed, with the same pitiful excuses about being disturbed if I came up at a different time. Funny, because if it was the middle of the afternoon and he was having a nap on the couch, the children could be raising merry hell and I could be running ragged, yet apparently he was out for the count...

everythingbackbutyou · 06/03/2020 21:49

Had me convinced for years that I was the most self-centred person who ever lived if I said I was going to stay up a bit later than him.

Shoxfordian · 06/03/2020 22:07

He's controlling and abusive
Don't stay with him

Tennisp · 06/03/2020 22:33

Utter control freak. Reminds me of my ex. Life is too short to live like this!

Sicario · 07/03/2020 07:13

Men like that don't see their wife as a person in her own right. You "belong" to him and you will do as you're told.

Fuck that.

This is YOUR LIFE. Do with it as you will.

ukgift2016 · 07/03/2020 07:20

Men like that don't see their wife as a person in her own right. You "belong" to him and you will do as you're told

I agree with this. To him you are an inferior person.

Bananalanacake · 07/03/2020 07:28

Was about to suggest a separate bedroom but I see you've already thought of that.

FlowerArranger · 07/03/2020 08:01

I'm feeling like I want to leave so I have the freedom to make my own choices, feel my own feelings and have my points of view without them being squashed if they disagree with his. But I'm financially dependent, and it's going to take me a while to get my ducks in a row, maybe a year

Good to know you have an exit plan. Stay clear-headed, keep focusing on your goal, and quietly get your ducks in a row. You can do this Flowers

Earlgrey19 · 09/03/2020 11:35

Notnowplzz that’s good to hear that. Are there any books/resources you found helpful?

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billy1966 · 09/03/2020 11:41

OP, he sounds awful.

A controlling, disrespectful bully.

Who cares if he is on the spectrum....he's a bully.

Get organised and get out.

Flowers
Earlgrey19 · 09/03/2020 11:41

A row again today. We all have a mild cold with cough and DH said today he thinks we should report it and get tested for corona virus and tell my son’s school he’s a risk (we haven’t traveled anywhere or encountered any known people with it). I agreed eventually to mentioning to school that DS has a cold with a bit of a cough, but I said in my opinion this is a mild cold with stuffy nose, he’s had it a week, it’s like every other cold he’s had, unlikely to be corona. DH was immediately very agitated, angry and highly stressed again. I think he feels I’m not taking pandemic seriously enough and so I’m a threat to us all. But I’m just trying to non-aggressively state my opinion. This is typical. Then I wonder is this just normal couple’s disagreement and am I making too much of how he responds to me?

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12345kbm · 09/03/2020 11:47

OP, you're already been told by everyone that he sounds like a controlling abusive bully. I'm wondering what your other relationships are like if you think this is normal. Do your friends, family and work colleagues all speak to you like this? Were your parents 'agitated, angry and stressed' over every little thing?

aroundtheworldyet · 09/03/2020 11:49

Can you make a list of his positive traits?

FinallyHere · 09/03/2020 11:49

is this just normal couple’s disagreement and am I making too much of how he responds to me?

Nope. No. It's definitely not

If anything, it sounds as if you are minimising this bully's behaviour and its potential impact on your children.

So sorry, can you start to plan your escape?

NymphadoraBonks · 09/03/2020 11:51

He sounds utterly awful.

GlassOfProsecco · 09/03/2020 11:54

OP, I think you would benefit from counselling on your own - it's not wise to undertake counselling with someone abusive. And you need a safe space to talk these things through with a proper accredited counsellor.

Earlgrey19 · 09/03/2020 11:55

Thanks. My other relationships are good. But my mum was in a highly abusive relationship with my Dad, so perhaps it’s hard for me to have a sense of normal In a partnership . That relationship was so much worse than this: my Dad was very violent to her, as well as extremely emotionally abusive. By contrast this seems different and I am finding it hard to trust my feelings on it, and wonder if I’m hypersensitive to experiencing control where it may not exist, due to what I witnessed in childhood. But part of me is feeling this is not ok. I don’t know. I have started my own therapy, too, though. Hopefully can get some clarity.

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Windyatthebeach · 09/03/2020 12:00

Op I wouldn't worry about him wanting shared care of the dc.
If he can't cope with an adult 'disturbing' his sleep he won't be suggesting he has the dc overnight...

LadyMadderRose · 09/03/2020 12:00

The point of couples counselling isn't always to just make everything better - sometimes it can help you see clearly what's been going on and that might mean you do decide to leave. That's what it was like for me - I already knew I wanted to end it, but counselling made me more sure. My ex was similar though not so openly "cross", more very difficult, undermining and passive-aggressive if he didn't get his way.

I also agree that although he may not deliberately set out to be nasty for the sake of it, your H just doesn't see you as being as fully human as him, as important as him - probably at a very deeply embedded level that he doesn't understand, or would deny. He's used to getting his way by simply making it horrible for you to dare to disagree. But you can disagree and calmly say "no, that's not what I want." However cross he gets, you're actually equals and both have an equal right to opinions and wants.

I did leave and I can tell you the freedoms you're talking about are great to have back.

Comtesse · 09/03/2020 12:01

If you experienced abuse in childhood my understanding is you’re more likely to be in an abusive relationship as an adult. It seems possible that you are seeing/ feeling abuse now because it’s actually there in front of you, not just because you are remembering your upbringing. Glad you are getting your own counselling....

12345kbm · 09/03/2020 12:02

Well that answers that question. Our childhood model (our parents) becomes a blueprint for our later relationships. Your model was abusive, therefore, the red flags of an angry, controlling man that others would have run from were familiar to you and you didn't see anything wrong.

It sounds as though you don't trust yourself OP or your own feelings and instincts. That comes from having come from an abusive home where you were living two different realities. You knew as a child that what was going on was wrong but everyone acted as though it was normal. You then went to school and pretended that everything was ok when really it wasn't.

Your parents probably gaslit you a lot, telling you one thing was happening when you could clearly see something else. Telling you that your feelings weren't important and didn't matter.

I think you would find counselling really helpful OP. It would help you to gauge 'normality'. What is 'normal' is obviously on a spectrum but what you're experiencing is very far from normal and you keep second guessing yourself.

H: Shouts, huffs and puffs, red face, angry, aggressive

OP: He's angry over this isn't he. Or is he? Is he? Is he angry or am I just seeing things? Is he right to be angry? What have I done? Would I be angry? I'm enough to make anyone angry...

You can take a look at BACP for therapists.

Musicaltheatremum · 09/03/2020 12:05

Sounds awful OP. Re Corona virus. You can tell him you can't just ask to be tested. It just doesn't happen. You have to be at risk to get tested. (One of my GP colleagues has flu and they won't test her even though there are cases. In the area)

hellsbellsmelons · 09/03/2020 12:13

Get the Lundy Bancroft book - Why does he do that?
You will find your DH in there. It will be a true eye opener for you.
Then get in touch with Womens Aid and do their Freedom Programme.
Attend in person if you can or you can do it on-line.
Do some googling about abuse, control, coercive control, financial abuse, emotional abuse, bullying tactics used by abusers, etc.....
Well done on standing your grown on the bedtime crap.
Go when you want. You are a grown adult woman FFS.
Don't allow him to ride rough shod over your feelings.
They are yours. And you are perfectly entitled to have them.
He can get to fuck.
I would also look at getting some counselling on your own.
Joint counselling with an abuser is NEVER recommended.