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Help me process my anger with my mother, is a somewhat Brexit related story

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mediumsize · 12/02/2020 21:57

I am NC for this. I am just really angry and wanted to put this out there. Not sure how it will help but maybe just to vent.

Basic story is about two families:

  1. My husband and I are British (but both grew up in another country) and absolutely avid Europhiles, and I have been very active in the anti-Brexit, pro-EU campaign since the referendum. All the marches, volunteering etc etc. Then Brexit actually happened, which I really did not think it would, and it has impacted us hard emotionally and, in the future, given that we have property and business interests in the EU, potentially financially. There are also other family, and in my case, strong ideological reasons for being gutted at leaving the EU.
  1. My parents are elderly (late 70s) and have always been completely irresponsible with money. They do not live in Britain. They have no pension, no policies of any kind, no property and no income other than my father's small business, which he continues to run even though he is nearly 80. This is going to have to stop some time soon and he is also in quite poor health. I support them financially to quite a large degree. If my father dies my mother essentially is destitute (except not, of course, because I will be expected to support her. Oldest child, professional, good income in Britain etc).

So, my husband and I just, since Brexit Day, have decided to move (well, retire actually) to Ireland. We can get our EU passports back in 5 years, which means an enormous amount to me. We have however no ties whatsoever to Ireland, DH has never been there and I once went there for conference for three days twenty years ago, We have despite that made all the arrangements to do this. I have a pension lump sum due which will mean that, for the first time in my life since I left my first husband and he fleeced me for everything I had in return for my freedom, I will be able to buy a property (in the part of Ireland we are going to go to we can, we have never been able to afford a property in England).

So I phoned my mother tonight and told her of our plan. Her response was "well, that is a completely crazy idea". I had to bite my tongue so hard not to say no Mummy, what IS a completely crazy idea is to be nearly eighty with no assets or pension of any kind, with no plan whatsoever about what happens when Daddy cannot work any more or he dies.

I said nothing but feel so angry. I don't know why, this is not new ridiculousness from these people. When I left X country (where they live and where they grew up) for Britain in the 1980s, to further my career, my father told me "I don't know why you are leaving, you know you will just have to come back". I never did. Why am I so angry now?

OP posts:
AlwaysInTroubleAgain · 14/02/2020 13:11

If you are into it and others around you think it's a crazy idea....
...well that's just the more reason to do it!

Just because you have vision inevitably you'll come cross those that can't see what you can. I applaud you.

MrsWhisker · 14/02/2020 13:28

Well I think your move sounds great. Go for it. And all power to you.

ravenmum · 14/02/2020 13:43

Yes, OP shouldn't have ignored the message of the Serenity/Courage poem, as it supports her plans. Maybe she could use it on her mother :)

Oliversmumsarmy · 14/02/2020 14:02

Brexit is a bit of a red herring on why you want to move.
It seems you are coming up for retirement and want to move countries because you can’t afford to buy in the UK.

Ireland OTOH seems like a great choice because they speak English but I think some are questioning your reasoning.

If you are going to move anyway once your Ds has finished his education wouldn’t just biting the bullet and moving to the country where your business is be a more practical move.

From my own POV years ago I worked with a few girls in various jobs who were from Ireland. They thought the UK was so much cheaper to live. As one said even Irish butter is cheaper in the UK than it is in Ireland.

I would check out running costs before you commit.

Apileofballyhoo · 14/02/2020 14:17

I actually found the opposite when I was in the UK last, butter in particular was so much more expensive! But in general people do seem to think the UK is cheaper.

mediumsize · 14/02/2020 14:19

Oliver, DS needs to remain in an English-speaking country for the rest of his education, which is at least the next 8 years. We don't have a business yet in the other EU country, it was a retirement plan, in partnership with business partners there, and still is. But it is either not going to work or be much more expensive if we are not EU citizens. Which we can become again in 5 years if we go to Ireland. For those who might say "do your homework" etc about this, rest assured that we have (as much as anyone can with all the uncertainty around).

We can afford to live in Ireland, really. Whether it is a little more or less expensive than the UK. Given how much extra time I will have to devote to my business after retirement, plus having my pension, plus no rental costs, we will have more disposable income than we have now.

OP posts:
mediumsize · 14/02/2020 14:29

I am going to step away now. I am not as sick as I have been the past few days, so am going to get some work done while I wait for DH to get back from his trip to Ireland later today. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

OP posts:
Efeble1 · 14/02/2020 14:31

Middle class problems!

ravenmum · 14/02/2020 14:35

Your parents not taking you seriously isn't confined to the middle class.

HelgaHere1 · 14/02/2020 14:54

I would say you had a lot of stored up anger against DPs, favoured sibling, criticism, the assumption someone else will provide for them. On top of that anger / disappointment over Brexit. And it has come to a head with DM's comments.
I'm sure Ireland will be a great place to live - and it's only over the Irish Sea not a 12 hour flight away. Good luck !

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