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TW Something happened a few weeks ago which I can't make sense of.

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trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:17

Name changed for this post. I apologise, I know it's long but I don't want to leave anything out.

I will start by saying that I have issues with alcohol. I was sober for six years and recently started drinking again (not every day but sometimes bingeing at weekends. I know this needs to stop.)

My return to drinking coincided with beginning a new relationship with someone who also has an issue. However, he is much physically larger than I am and has a far higher tolerance.

I suspected he may possibly be emotionally abusive from the beginning of the relationship - he blew hot and cold, and his love bombing episodes were really over the top, whereas his rejections always seemed designed to humiliate and sting as much as possible. I also noticed things which could have been mistakes but made me wonder if they were in fact done on purpose, for example he said once over messenger that he missed my scent, then posted a fish emoji underneath it. When I asked he said he hadn't a clue how it got there. But I was always unsure if he wasn't trying to get a really unpleasant one over on me. Any attempt to discuss his behaviour with him (re his being hot and cold or any unpleasantness) just always led to him becoming hostile and angry. It got to the point where I'd let things slide.

I'd also been told by a friend that a previous partner of his had rung her ex once and said that she was in the garden shed and could he come round and help her because he (the man I have since been involved with) was being really scary. I know this should have made me run a mile but my friend said this woman was prone to manipulation and dishonesty so she didn't know if it was true.

Anyway, me and this man went out one evening recently and past a certain point my memory goes completely. Earlier in the evening he had asked me how I ever got my jeans up "over that belly" (I'm a size 8 so it's a weird insult to level at me really) and I remember thinking, that's it. This has to be the last time I see this guy. We then went to a different pub and I remember the booze giving me the dutch courage I needed to challenge him on some of the stuff he has said and done.

Now I've had years of problem drinking and I'm no stranger to going into blackout. But usually you get at least a couple of small flashes that help you piece the evening together somehow. Past a certain point in the pub I don't even have those - it's just total memory black out.

This man says I was falling over in the pub and outside where you go to smoke, that I was inappropriately chatting up other men and trying to engage strangers, and that the landlady eventually asked him to get me out of there. He says men were then asking if I was safe to leave with him but that was because I was "putting on a damsel in distress act" which was "pure theatre." I think it's possible they may have been picking up on how unpleasant he can be, but I remember nothing.

All I know is my next memory is of waking up at his the next afternoon covered in bruises. Of course some of those will have been as a result of falling over - my coat and jeans were absolutely filthy and covered in dirt - but he did admit he "may have got a little forceful" - his only admittance to having possibly hurt me. Certainly some of my bruises were consistent with being grabbed and possibly manhandled (smaller bruises to wrists and upper arms.) He also says I slapped him, although he didn't mention this until a couple of weeks after the incident when we had already discussed it a couple of times. I don't know if I did or not because I can't remember anything. I am completely anti violence in relationships and am mortified at the thought that I might have. He also says I called him a cunt (I mean he can be awful tbh) and has tried to make out the entire evening was my fault and that he is blameless.

But the main point of upset for me was waking up on Sunday to realise that my vagina was sore in a way that is consistent with having had a lot of sex. I can remember none of it but can only assume this must have come after we had argued and he had grabbed me. I feel really weird about it. Firstly I can't understand why he would have wanted to have sex with me when he could barely look at me on Sunday evening he was so furious. I also can't understand why I can't remember anything, and so I don't know if I was in a fit state to consent. That is what has left me feeling really terrible. Driving home from his after that weekend I just had a horrible, icky feeling in my stomach. I have tried to explain to him since that not knowing what happened has had a real impact on me but this just makes him furious. I enjoyed sex with him so it's perfectly possible I did consent, but it seems strange under the circumstances and I can't remember. Also I was falling down drunk.

I wasn't going to tell anybody about it because I feel ashamed. But the day before new years I had a few to drink and spilled to a couple of female friends who were very supportive. But I feel terribly anxious now. I can't remember what happened so I've no business really painting him in a negative light. I don't want any rumours to start flying round.

I just feel absolutely dreadful and scared and weird about it all. Would like to feel better. I know stopping drinking again needs to be my first port of call.

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Fidgety31 · 01/01/2020 21:21

Have you asked him if you had sex ?

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:23

Something else I should add: on the Sunday I thanked him for getting me home when I was so out of it and apparently all these men had been hanging around. I said something along the lines of: well being that drunk can make women very vulnerable. If it wasn't for you I could have ended up raped in a ditch.

To which he replied: I'll rape you in a ditch. As if it was some kind of witty reposte. It really made me feel shit.

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trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:24

I don't need to ask him. I know we did. My vagina was sore and I was leaking semen. And he certainly hasn't denied it.

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MrsKCastle · 01/01/2020 21:30

From your description, you can't possibly have been in a fit state to consent. And equally, he would have known that you weren't able to consent.

It sounds as though you have spoken to him since that night. Have you finished with him now? I would stop any kind of communication with him, block him on any social media etc. Think about calling Rape Crisis or a local rape helpline so that you can talk through your experience and your feelings.

I'm so sorry that this happened to you.

Menora · 01/01/2020 21:30

What are you looking for from your post
You know you were assaulted physically and sexually and you are afraid of him
You also know you have fallen into your addiction and this is the last kind of person you need in your life. He is dangerous

VimFuego101 · 01/01/2020 21:31

Are you normally sore after sex? It sounds like he's just admitting to 'being a little rough' as he thinks he can get away with just that.

I hope your friends responses put this into perspective for you so you can see how bad his behaviour is. Please don't see him again.

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:32

I have blocked him and ended the relationship. But I'm confused. Sex was the one thing I enjoyed about our relationship. I can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't have wanted to normally.

It's just the circumstances and the fact that I remember nothing. Also how sore I was was unusual.

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trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:34

I'm not afraid of him being really violent or anything. It's just how verbally nasty he can be. He can really go for the jugular. One of the worst, most hurtful things anybody has ever said to me has been him. I disclosed one of my most personal private experiences to him and he used it as a cheap dig against me. I could barely believe it tbh.

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trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:36

That meant to say painful experiences.

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Menora · 01/01/2020 21:36

Rape isn’t about sex
It’s about power and control

He could rape you, so he did. And it turned him on to do so

Shockers · 01/01/2020 21:36

Do you think you could’ve been drugged? Had you drunk enough to not remember anything at all?

If you were my daughter, or friend, I’d be begging you to get as far away from him as possible. Please don’t see him again.

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:38

When I spoke to him I said I felt freaked out by not being able to remember anything. I said I couldn't know if I'd consented. His response was furious. "I never do anything without anyone's consent, how dare you" kind of thing.

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Menora · 01/01/2020 21:39

This man possibly has a huge issue with women, many men do rape out of anger, the feeling of powerful ness and control. He enjoys taunting you, it’s not a great leap that he would assault you while you were out of it

It’s also not uncommon for your tolerance levels to alcohol to change if you have had a big gap of no drinking, it’s hard to keep track of what you have had to drink once you start too. Regardless of how drunk you were he has seen this as an opportunity to violate and humiliate you

MrsKCastle · 01/01/2020 21:40

You weren't exactly in a 'normal' situation though, because of the arguing and the fact that he was physically manhandling you to take you back to his. Sadly, I'm not sure you will ever know what happened at his place, because he won't tell you the truth. The only thing you could.do, perhaps, is to go back to the pub and ask them for their version of events. But of course, that might be quite embarrassing.

At the end of the day, though, it seems clear that you weren't able to consent, and he is a piece of shit to have even thought of having sex in those circumstances.

Loveislandaddict · 01/01/2020 21:43

I wondered whether your drink has been spiked also.

symptoms

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:44

I had drunk a great deal. It's possible I was just in blackout (although it is unusal to not even have a seconds flash of memory here and there.) My friend asked if I thought I'd been drugged. I don't think so. But it isn't impossible. I was in a pub with loads of blokes.

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aroundtheworldyet · 01/01/2020 21:47

Just get as far away from this man as you can.
And get someone in RL to talk to, preferably a professional. Regarding everything.
He sounds like a horrific person who has used you at your most vulnerable. Which basically means he’s a fucking psycho

NotStayingIn · 01/01/2020 21:51

I’m so sorry for what you’ve gone through. To be blunt though, I’m not really sure what you are confused about. He is a piece of shit, the warning signs were there, and when you got too drunk he took advantage.

I think you need to look at two things going forward:

  1. Your attitude towards relationships. There were so many red flags, and yet you continued seeing him. Why?

  2. Your drinking. You were already at the point of thinking this guy is odd and I want to end it, and then you went to another pub with him and got drunker. Again, why?

What happened is not your fault. He is an utter piece of shit but sadly utter pieces of shit are everywhere. In order to deal with the aftermath, is there a friend you can confide in. Would you consider going to the police? He should be held accountable for what he did, but only if you can face it of course. Hope you are ok.

LuluJakey1 · 01/01/2020 21:53

Never have contact with him again, ever.
Get help for your drinking and do something about it now.
You have been lucky to escape him.

charis · 01/01/2020 21:55

I'm so sorry this happened to you. He sounds even worse than my ex and I got a conviction for him, special alert with the police and women's Aid ongoing support due to a variety of threats. Something I wish I'd known - if this happens do not ever respond to anything, and he will say everything to get the power and control back.

Eslteacher06 · 01/01/2020 21:55

Without a doubt, you've been raped. Just because you know him, and may have consented if conscious, doesn't change the fact that he raped you.

Kerning · 01/01/2020 21:57

So sorry this has happened to you Flowers

I too wondered if your drink had been spiked, either way you were clearly not capable of consenting to sex. He sounds utterly vile.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but it sounds as though you are dealing with earlier trauma in addition to what you describe above and a relapse into alcohol abuse? I recommend you seek professional support to help you make sense of what happened and the other things going on in your life. You clearly recognised some red flags early on and yet ignored them, it would be worth exploring why you ignored these.

wibdib · 01/01/2020 22:01

Do you think there’s any chance he invited some friends around to rape you too?
Or that he would have filmed any of it? Not sure how you’d go about finding out though - but as others have suggested maybe going back to the pub at a quiet time and see if the bar staff could give any clues... they might have heard something either on the night or later.

Glad to hear that you are not with him any more. Have you considered having STD checks? Might be worth it unfortunately.

Might also be worth talking to somebody at the local police - either DV or rape officers - just to discuss it because it does sound really dodgy. They might recognise the name or be able to help in some way.

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 22:06

I did recognise red flags. And I did ignore them. Why? Because I'd been single for about a decade and really wanted a relationship. And because we had some good chemistry and there were things about him I liked. I knew it wasn't right.

Why did I go to another pub with him? Because I was miles from home and couldn't drive/no access to public transport (rural location.) And because once I start drinking I can't stop (alcohol issues.) And because I just hoped things would get better. I know I've been an idiot.

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trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 22:09

Oh god no, I'm certain he wouldn't do that Wibdib.

There's no way I'm going to the police. I can't remember what happened. He will insist I consented. I may have drunkenly consented. I can't say for sure that I didn't. There's no case to answer.

I just feel crap.

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