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TW Something happened a few weeks ago which I can't make sense of.

96 replies

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 21:17

Name changed for this post. I apologise, I know it's long but I don't want to leave anything out.

I will start by saying that I have issues with alcohol. I was sober for six years and recently started drinking again (not every day but sometimes bingeing at weekends. I know this needs to stop.)

My return to drinking coincided with beginning a new relationship with someone who also has an issue. However, he is much physically larger than I am and has a far higher tolerance.

I suspected he may possibly be emotionally abusive from the beginning of the relationship - he blew hot and cold, and his love bombing episodes were really over the top, whereas his rejections always seemed designed to humiliate and sting as much as possible. I also noticed things which could have been mistakes but made me wonder if they were in fact done on purpose, for example he said once over messenger that he missed my scent, then posted a fish emoji underneath it. When I asked he said he hadn't a clue how it got there. But I was always unsure if he wasn't trying to get a really unpleasant one over on me. Any attempt to discuss his behaviour with him (re his being hot and cold or any unpleasantness) just always led to him becoming hostile and angry. It got to the point where I'd let things slide.

I'd also been told by a friend that a previous partner of his had rung her ex once and said that she was in the garden shed and could he come round and help her because he (the man I have since been involved with) was being really scary. I know this should have made me run a mile but my friend said this woman was prone to manipulation and dishonesty so she didn't know if it was true.

Anyway, me and this man went out one evening recently and past a certain point my memory goes completely. Earlier in the evening he had asked me how I ever got my jeans up "over that belly" (I'm a size 8 so it's a weird insult to level at me really) and I remember thinking, that's it. This has to be the last time I see this guy. We then went to a different pub and I remember the booze giving me the dutch courage I needed to challenge him on some of the stuff he has said and done.

Now I've had years of problem drinking and I'm no stranger to going into blackout. But usually you get at least a couple of small flashes that help you piece the evening together somehow. Past a certain point in the pub I don't even have those - it's just total memory black out.

This man says I was falling over in the pub and outside where you go to smoke, that I was inappropriately chatting up other men and trying to engage strangers, and that the landlady eventually asked him to get me out of there. He says men were then asking if I was safe to leave with him but that was because I was "putting on a damsel in distress act" which was "pure theatre." I think it's possible they may have been picking up on how unpleasant he can be, but I remember nothing.

All I know is my next memory is of waking up at his the next afternoon covered in bruises. Of course some of those will have been as a result of falling over - my coat and jeans were absolutely filthy and covered in dirt - but he did admit he "may have got a little forceful" - his only admittance to having possibly hurt me. Certainly some of my bruises were consistent with being grabbed and possibly manhandled (smaller bruises to wrists and upper arms.) He also says I slapped him, although he didn't mention this until a couple of weeks after the incident when we had already discussed it a couple of times. I don't know if I did or not because I can't remember anything. I am completely anti violence in relationships and am mortified at the thought that I might have. He also says I called him a cunt (I mean he can be awful tbh) and has tried to make out the entire evening was my fault and that he is blameless.

But the main point of upset for me was waking up on Sunday to realise that my vagina was sore in a way that is consistent with having had a lot of sex. I can remember none of it but can only assume this must have come after we had argued and he had grabbed me. I feel really weird about it. Firstly I can't understand why he would have wanted to have sex with me when he could barely look at me on Sunday evening he was so furious. I also can't understand why I can't remember anything, and so I don't know if I was in a fit state to consent. That is what has left me feeling really terrible. Driving home from his after that weekend I just had a horrible, icky feeling in my stomach. I have tried to explain to him since that not knowing what happened has had a real impact on me but this just makes him furious. I enjoyed sex with him so it's perfectly possible I did consent, but it seems strange under the circumstances and I can't remember. Also I was falling down drunk.

I wasn't going to tell anybody about it because I feel ashamed. But the day before new years I had a few to drink and spilled to a couple of female friends who were very supportive. But I feel terribly anxious now. I can't remember what happened so I've no business really painting him in a negative light. I don't want any rumours to start flying round.

I just feel absolutely dreadful and scared and weird about it all. Would like to feel better. I know stopping drinking again needs to be my first port of call.

OP posts:
eaglejulesk · 01/01/2020 22:14

Keep well away from him and you seriously need to get some help with your drink problem. Please don't enter into a relationship just because you feel you need to be in one, and anyone will do. Take more care of yourself in future. Flowers

charis · 01/01/2020 22:16

That's totally understandable. I found court really traumatic and I had overwhelming physical and photographic evidence of ongoing bodily harm. Do what's best to keep yourself safe and please do that work for you.
WA will help.

MargotMoon · 01/01/2020 22:18

Please get some help OP. You need to cut this man out of your life and - even if you don't want to report it to the police - contact a rape crisis line. Do you have anyone reliable in your life that can help you get support to stop drinking again?

Sending Thanks

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 22:24

Yes I already have good support in place around my drinking. I stopped for six years with the help of AA. I'm still in contact with people in local meetings. I'm confident I can get there again.

OP posts:
Kerning · 01/01/2020 22:30

You're not to blame OP - he did this, not you. Having a drink or going to a pub with someone is not an invitation to rape.

Please seek help, there's a list of organisations you can contact here:

www.itv.com/thismorning/rape-helplines

Flowers
Kerning · 01/01/2020 22:32

That's good to hear OP.

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 22:37

I feel dumb contacting rape crisis. Although I know I was in a right state, I can't remember what happened. I could have been the one initiating the sex for all I know. I did love having sex with him.

Like I said, it's just the circumstances that make me feel weird. How did we go from arguing and possible violence to wanting to have sex. And why can't I remember a single thing despite the level of soreness suggesting a lot of sex. I mean I have had consensual sex with him multiple times all through the night before and I have not been that sore.

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BellyButton85 · 01/01/2020 22:48

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FranklySonImTheGaffer · 01/01/2020 22:59

BellyButton stop being an arsehole.

OP, whether you said you consented or not at the time is kind of irrelevant because he's also told you that you were so drunk you were falling / engaging strangers etc.
Think about it logically- if he witnessed you in that state, he knew you were not able to consent.

Call rape crisis and talk it through, the service is designed for people who have been through what you have and I'm very sorry for it

PanicAndRun · 01/01/2020 22:59

You're assuming his account of it was right.

You're assuming rape is about sex .

You're assuming you were actually awake for it or in any state to initiate anything.

Thanks

He raped you on top of his emotional abuse. I know it's hard to accept that ,even though deep down I think you know.

Contact Rape crisis or any other charity for support if you need to. They don't judge victims by what they remember , how sober they were, what they were doing/wearing before the rape. You deserve help of support. You are worthy of help of support. There's no such thing as a "perfect victim".

RickOShay · 01/01/2020 23:07

The shame is his, not yours. Give it back to him, all the cruel things he said to you, that crap feeling he gave you? Give it back. It’s not yours.
You are whole and still you.
He is a rapist arsehole.
Flowers
If you can I would phone rape crisis.

dkl55 · 01/01/2020 23:09

I also think your drink was spiked, and by him. I know of two people whose partners (!!) have done this to them. Horrifying.

dkl55 · 01/01/2020 23:09

And so sorry Thanks... please keep away from him.

Kerning · 01/01/2020 23:11

No need to feel dumb, they will have helped people through similar experiences many times. If not Rape Crisis, can you access counselling? You're trying to make sense of something you cannot remember. You may find you start to remember things over the next few days and weeks, but equally you may never remember anything. What you've written describes a sexual assault - you were blackout drunk, how could you have consented? You were covered in bruises. The level of soreness does not suggest mutually enjoyable sex.

trying2makesenseofwhathappened · 01/01/2020 23:12

I really appreciate all these kind responses. Thank you.

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RickOShay · 01/01/2020 23:18

I really hope you heal yourself from this. What happened was not your fault, you deserve love and care.
Look after yourself Flowers

aroundtheworldyet · 01/01/2020 23:25

The only thing to reiterate in this situation is you are not to blame in any way.
X

Weffiepops · 01/01/2020 23:39

End this relationship now, he sounds awful. Life will be better without him

Dieu · 01/01/2020 23:49

You need to ditch this man and sort yourself out.

VenusTiger · 02/01/2020 00:01

was he drunk too? did you both have consenting drunk sex OP and it was rough sex because you were both drunk (stumbling/falling about as you said)?

ThirtyAndASmidgen · 02/01/2020 00:12

I was raped in similar circumstances, also after a period of abstinence. I’m prone to blackouts also and I don’t believe I was drugged (I understand this is highly unusual). It’s been difficult to come to terms with, and is still very painful at times, but I still maintain there was no point reporting it. That’s a decision you have to weigh up yourself. You may decide, as I did, that the best thing is to get the hell away from him and get as much counselling as you can. Sending you Flowers

Ogham · 02/01/2020 00:23

I also suspect that he spiked your drink and I would return to the pub with a supportive friend and try and piece the events of that night together. What he told you is not necessarily the truth! He’s tried to make out that your behavior was so bad that you’d be too embarrassed to return to that pub to investigate what really happened. None of this is your fault 💐

1CantPickAName · 02/01/2020 00:49

He is a gaslighting arsehole! Stay away from him, he is dangerous.

1CantPickAName · 02/01/2020 00:51

I too would go back to the pub and try to speak to the landlady

Mammyloveswine · 02/01/2020 01:32

Last year I got totally hammered with my friend (only realised how hammered the next day when the night was a blank).

The next day my husband commented on how "up for it" I was and how I'd climbed on top of him for sex. I have no memory at all of this. It made me feel icky and my husband was absolutely horrified that I had no recollection.

However, we have a loving and safe relationship and I trust him to know it will have understandable for him to think I was consenting. We got through it.

Your story is not the same, I'm so sorry op. Do you feel strong enough to contact the police? This man is abusive. Please get support to help you. I'm so sorry you have had to go through this.