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If you could confront the woman your DH cheated with, would you?

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FreudianShit · 17/12/2019 22:06

DH cheated last year. I found out after discovering some messages - it wasn’t clear what exactly had gone on based on the things that had been said, so when I pressed DH for an explanation, he gave me his version of events aka a probably minimised story, but as that was all I had to go by, I had to take it or leave it.

We're still in the process of trying to move on from it all, but there’s this constant niggle in the back of my head that despite me saying to him he needed to be 100% honest with me - and if I ever found out more info which he’d withheld, he’d be gone - I feel like there’s still more to know.

I know where the woman works who he cheated on me with - it’s a pub up the road from us. I’d met her a couple times as DH used to work there too. She was always disgustingly, over the top, nice to me. Go figure.

Would it be completely insane of me to ask her for a few minutes of her time, woman to woman, not a screaming match, but just a quick chat for her to relay her side of the story? If hers matches up with DH’s, fine, I can properly put all of this bed and will have a sense of closure/like a weight has been lifted. If it doesn’t, well I’ll cross that bridge.

But right now, I feel like I have this constant cloud of uncertainty looming over me, and I just want to get to the bottom of what really happened that night.

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FreudianShit · 18/12/2019 10:17

She was very aware of who I am when the incident happened, but I just want to get to the bottom of whether it really was a one off, 'accidental' spur of the moment kiss, as a result of one night of flirting and a combination of alcohol, OR, if it was more than that. Maybe they left the party early? Maybe they never went in the first place? Perhaps they'd been flirting mercilessly with one another for months when they used to work together? I just don't know and these are the questions I need answered. DH has obviously answered these, but I'm wary of him withholding truth through fear of losing me and him looking even worse

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CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 18/12/2019 10:20

No. Don't give her the satisfaction.

Someone I know had a long affair with a married man. When it finally all went tits up the wife contacted her.

The things that person told me about the wife, the derision and contempt, and the extra painful unecessary details she told her to twist the knife in, because she was also rejected and hurt. It was one of the cruelest most malicious aspects of human behaviour I'd seen.

The wife eventually had a breakdown.

Don't be vulnerable on front of your enemy. Rise above. If you can't move forward end it. Perhaps it's this you are unconciously avoiding. The fact that your happiness going forward is on your hands and requires making hard decisions.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 18/12/2019 10:23

Plus you tell her that she matters. When she doesn't. You give the impression that she meant more to your DH than she did because she can see things are still difficult between you.

Guarantee she'll tell all her friends and family how pathetic you were (even though not true)

Skittlesandbeer · 18/12/2019 10:33

See, now whether you go and see her or not, you could tell your DH you did. You say ‘she told me everything’ then watch his face. Hold your nerve for as long as you can, say nothing. Old interrogation technique!

Personally I’d see her, and then tell him to see his reaction. I may not get any truth, but I bet I get some new information. Nothing to lose, really, if your suspicions are eating away at you.

Sorry you’re going through this.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 10:35

No.

She is irrelevant.

The sort of person who would cheat with a married man has issues anyway (Dr Pittman called them 'dumsels in distress'.

She is being manipulated.

She is being used.

She is being played as well as you.

She is utterly irrelevant. Your problem is the selfish deceitful shallowly connected person in front of you.

BreatheAndFocus · 18/12/2019 10:35

No - definitely don’t do it!

  1. She’ll probably lie and you’ll then be agonising even more about what happened and which parts of what she said were true (if any)

  2. She may well see your visit as ‘proof’ that your DH is still thinking about her (hence your continuing concern, in her mind) and then be spurred on to contact him.

  3. You’ll be giving her the satisfaction of knowing you’re still hurting. Don’t give her that.

Forget her. She’s not worth your time or your thoughts.

ScreamingLadySutch · 18/12/2019 10:37

His article:

Beyond Betrayal: Life After Infidelity
Despite their destructiveness, affairs are not going out of style. Not all affairs are alike; some are even accidental.
By Frank Pittman, published May 1, 1993 - last reviewed on June 9, 2016

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They tell me they have gone through all of this for a quick thrill or a furtive moment of romance. Sometimes they tell me they don't remember making the decision that tore apart their life: "It just happened." Sometimes they don't even know they are being unfaithful. (I tell them: "If you don't know whether what you are doing is an infidelity or not, ask your spouse.")

From the outside looking in, it is insane. How could anyone risk everything in life on the turn of a screw? Infidelity was not something people did much in my family, so I always found it strange and noteworthy when people did it in my practice. After almost 30 years of cleaning up the mess after other people's affairs, I wrote a book describing everything about infidelity I'd seen in my practice. The book was Private Lies: Infidelity and the Betrayal of Intimacy (Norton). I thought it might help. Even if the tragedy of AIDS and the humiliation of prominent politicians hadn't stopped it, surely people could not continue screwing around after reading about the absurd destructiveness of it. As you know, people have not stopped having affairs. But many of them feel the need to write or call or drop by and talk to me about it. When I wrote Private Lies, I thought I knew everything there was to know about infidelity. But I know now that there is even more.

Accidental Infidelity

All affairs are not alike. The thousands of affairs I've seen seem to fall into four broad categories. Most first affairs are cases of accidental infidelity, unintended and uncharacteristic acts of carelessness that really did "just happen." Someone will get drunk, will get caught up in the moment—will just be having a bad day. It can happen to anyone, though some people are more accident prone than others, and some situations are accident zones.

Many times a young man has started his career as a philanderer quite accidentally when he is traveling out of town on a new job with a philandering boss who chooses one of a pair of women and expects the young fellow to entertain the other. The most startling dynamic behind accidental infidelity is misplaced politeness, the feeling that it would be rude to turn down a needy friend's sexual advances. In the debonair gallantry of the moment, the brazen discourtesy to the marriage partner is overlooked altogether.

Both men and women can slip up and have accidental affairs, though the most accident-prone are those who drink, those who travel, those who don't get asked much, those who don't feel very tightly married, those whose running buddies screw around, and those who are afraid to run from a challenge. Most are men.

After an accidental infidelity, there is clearly the sense that one's life and marriage have changed. The choices are:

To decide that infidelity was a stupid thing to do, to confess it or not to do so, but to resolve to take better precautions in the future;
To decide you wouldn't have done such a thing unless your husband or wife had let you down, put the blame on your mate, and go home and pick your marriage to death;
To notice that lightning did not strike you dead, decide this would be a safe and inexpensive hobby to take up, and do it some more;
To decide that you would not have done such a thing if you were married to the right person, determine that this was meant to be, and declare yourself in love with the stranger in the bed.
Romantic Infidelity

Surely the craziest and most destructive form of infidelity is the temporary insanity of falling in love. You do this, not when you meet somebody wonderful (wonderful people don't screw around with married people) but when you are going through a crisis in your own life, can't continue living your life, and aren't quite ready for suicide yet. An affair with someone grossly inappropriate—someone decades younger or older, someone dependent or dominating, someone with problems even bigger than your own—is so crazily stimulating that it's like a drug that can lift you out of your depression and enable you to feel things again. Of course, between moments of ecstasy, you are more depressed, increasingly alone and alienated in your life, and increasingly hooked on the affair partner. Ideal romance partners are damsels or "dumsels" in distress, people without a life but with a lot of problems, people with bad reality testing and little concern with understanding reality better.

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Romantic affairs lead to a great many divorces, suicides, homicides, heart attacks, and strokes, but not to very many successful remarriages. No matter how many sacrifices you make to keep the love alive, no matter how many sacrifices your family and children make for this crazy relationship, it will gradually burn itself out when there is nothing more to sacrifice to it. Then you must face not only the wreckage of several lives, but the original depression from which the affair was an insane flight into escape.

People are most likely to get into these romantic affairs at the turning points of life: when their parents die or their children grow up; when they suffer health crises or are under pressure to give up an addiction; when they achieve an unexpected level of job success or job failure; or when their first child is born—any situation in which they must face a lot of reality and grow up. The better the marriage, the saner and more sensible the spouse, the more alienated the romantic is likely to feel. Romantic affairs happen in good marriages even more often than in bad ones.

Both genders seem equally capable of falling into the temporary insanity of romantic affairs, though women are more likely to reframe anything they do as having been done for love. Women in love are far more aware of what they are doing and what the dangers might be. Men in love can be extraordinarily incautious and willing to give up everything. Men in love lose their heads—at least for a while.

JeSuisPrest · 18/12/2019 10:54

I did. We met for a civil cup of coffee and compared notes. I'd already give him his marching orders by then and they were still seeing each other, but he was begging to come home and give "us" another try. I was relieved in a way, our marriage had been dead in the water for years anyway and it gave me the courage to tell him to get to fuck once and for all. She was very nice, absolutely the type he would go for, not some husband stealing harlot 🤷‍♀️. She did get a shock when I told her he'd actually shagged one of their other colleagues a couple of years previously, she knew nothing of it and thought she was "special". Oh dear, was I not supposed to mention his previous infidelities 🤔? They struggled on for a couple more years after that, after all he had ended his marriage and left his child to be with her, but she couldn't deal with the fact he had slept with someone they still worked with. Oh the irony 🤭

Devereux1 · 18/12/2019 11:05

He was married to you. She wasn’t.

I never understand this point, it's so utterly ridiculous.

Putting aside the glaring fact which we should all behave well to each other, and furthermore this woman knew the OP and owed her the normal decency we should all afford other people and not go messing with her husband, the OP wants more information to help her move on. The woman has that information. Your response here is irrelevant.

Swirlygirl · 18/12/2019 11:09

Devereux1 I agree.

DiaryofWimpyMumm · 18/12/2019 11:17

I confronted the first OW my ex husband had it didn't go well she talked a lot of shit tbh

Sorry you are going through this OP

FreudianShit · 18/12/2019 11:22

Exactly Devereux, this is about me trying to move on, it whatever capacity that may be.

She may be brutally honest and her story may align with DH's (great, if that's the case!) or it may be wildly different. She may choose to lie, and I could wind up being no closer to the actual truth. But speaking with her, in my mind, is the next logical step of gleaming some information, as right now I only have his word and so long as I continue in this relationship having not heard all sides of the story, I feel as though it's constantly going to be leering over me.

I feel like it could bring about some closure. It'll either help me properly move on with DH, or help me towards the next step of deciding whether I can stay with him or not.

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AlternativePerspective · 18/12/2019 11:23

OP, regardless of whether or not you talk to her, it seems that you are unable to move forward from this incident in your marriage.

If you’re still together with your DH then the important part is that you should be able to move on with him and no amount of talking to the OW and getting what may or may not be the truth is going to change that.

Wanting to speak to the OW is understandable. But you’re still with him. You’ll still be with him even when you talk to her, and it sounds as if in reality, you want to end it, but perhaps given you’ve tried to work things out you feel that talking to the OW will give you the reason you think you need to end things.

You don’t need confirmation from the OW to end the relationship if that’s what you want. It’s perfectly ok to say that you just haven’t been able to get past the infidelity without “permission/confirmation” from the OW.

Rather than seeking that from her, give yourself permission to move forward with your own life, because that’s what you want. :-)

Elmer83 · 18/12/2019 11:25

I think you should do it @FreudianShit. Sounds like you need this closure as it’s eating away at you. Good luck xx

AllMixedUp76 · 18/12/2019 11:25

@FreudianShit: FWIW, I'm not more mad at her than I am him. I've spent the best part of the last 18 months fuming at him, trying my utmost best to move on from it but struggling because of all this uncertainty.

And you want clarity from her? Didn't you say yourself that she has been sickly sweet to you while this went on? You wouldn't be able to trust anything she says.
I would think that your inability to get over this, stems from his failure to give openness about what has gone on.

I myself struggled through my now exh's affair with a colleague. Oddly enough in my case, the OW came to me herself- I think because she was scared I would tell her h. She started off by saying they couldn't help what happened as they loved each other. It was mildly satisfying to see her squirm when I said she had to tell her h, or I would. However I should never have believed her with she said she would and that the affair was over. They just went underground and her poor husband -it turned out later- was none the wiser.
And no, my ex never went out much either...

NameChangeNugget · 18/12/2019 12:04

You’re married to DH not her.

She’ll not give a shit and you’ll embarrass yourself. Your anger should all be at DH

Itsallgonewoowoo · 18/12/2019 12:11

The OW lied to me more than my DH. I think if you feel you need to then do it, but do it with a huge handful of scepticism, you know where he's coming from (minimising), but you may not know where she is coming from.

MrHaroldFry · 18/12/2019 12:49

I would not see the point in confronting the OW. She may also tell you what you want to hear and not the truth.
You either believe your husband or you don't. You are married to him and need to be able to trust him. If you are doubting, and need someone else to verify his story, trust is forever lost. You may never trust him completely again. You may spend every moment he is at a works outing or w/end with his mates worrying about his every movement. Are you able to accept that may be your life from now on?
It all boils down to trust. Only you can answer that question.

OceanSunFish · 18/12/2019 12:58

In these circumstances, I think I would have a conversation with her.

JacquesHammer · 18/12/2019 12:59

If you don’t trust your husband to the extent you need the OW to corroborate his story, your relationship is doomed.

Forget her. Concentrate on whether you can trust him on what he says alone.

ShippingNews · 18/12/2019 13:08

You think he has no way of contacting her ? I find this unbelievable - of course he can ( and probably has already) . He knows where she works just like you do. Contact would be very easy. So don't assume that if her story matches his, everything is fine.

loveyoutothemoon · 18/12/2019 14:06

I think you need to do it as it seems you can't move on. Be prepared for her not telling you everything though.

FreudianShit · 18/12/2019 14:14

I won't be doing anything this side of Christmas, but if I'm still leaning towards paying her a visit in the new year, then I'll gear myself up to do it sometime in January

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Theredjellybean · 18/12/2019 14:36

I was the OW and when the affair was found out but his wife, i offered to speak to her or meet her.
But i will be honest, this was not out of a sense of guilt towards her but to try and make things easier for him.
I genuinely loved him and knew the proverbial sh*t had hit the fan in his life, and thought maybe i could shoulder the blame, let her think the affair was all me chasing him etc....

Looking back that was all wrong, and we should have both admitted equal culpability.

She did email me, a long hurtful spiteful email, which i accepted as my due.
My now DP said at the time, he never offered to her to speak to me as he was doing his best to protect me ..mmm....years later i think maybe he wanted to keep us apart for less alturistic motives.

So OP , i think you should talk to her, if it really was just a drunken kiss then tbh after 18 months she shouldn't be feeling either hurt and rejected or the need to 'protect' him.

A drunken kiss while not great is not something worth destroying an otherwise good marriage or your peace of mind over OP, and if you think this is the only way you can settle things then i think asking her for a coffee and chat is a good idea

Lillygolightly · 18/12/2019 14:52

If all your wanting is confirmation of whether they slept together, then I wouldn’t confront her with the view to gaining information. Instead treat it like your the bigger person doing her the favour. You speak to her, tell her your sorry to be the barer of bad news, but since your aware that she slept with your husband, and since she’s not the only one to have fallen for it you’ve had yourself tested and it turns out he’s given you an STI so you suggest she gets one too. Say that is clear he wasn’t going to have the common decency to mention it to her, but you felt she deserved to know. Best wishes an that.

She’ll either say thanks (so you have your answer) or she’ll say it’s not a problem because she didn’t sleep with him. Which ever it is, you can walk away with your head held high because you were only ever doing the polite and decent thing either way.

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