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How do I respond to this? DH gone off

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Perrinelli81 · 14/12/2019 20:43

Dh has been in a bit of a foul mood all day. He does have quite a lot of stress in his life, for context but nothing particularly out of the ordinary this weekend that I know of.
I heard him earlier huffing and puffing about the mess downstairs in the other room.
We have 3 dcs and the 4yo in particular is a bit of a destroyer. I also am not the tidiest and tend to do a blitz every so often rather than picking up stuff every night. The house is a bit messy in places but it’s generally toys from having a good play and not as bad as it is sometimes.

DH had to go out to a rehearsal thing earlier. On his way out he said something like “right I’m going now. Let me know if the mess gets tidied up otherwise I’ll see you tomorrow”. I didn’t really answer. (When he pulls these sort of sulks I tend to go grey rock or whatever the phrase is out of self preservation)

Anyway my first thought was defiance and why should it tidy up - I’ve been busy out at dcs activities today, he’s had more time At home than me and it’s general mess from our shared dcs.

But then I thought it does need doing so I just got the kids to do it with me.

Can see on our app thing that he’s finished his rehearsal, don’t think he’s at a friends or a hotel, looks like he’s just sat in the car somewhere!

Have WhatsApp’d that the kids are asking where he is. That I appreciate the mess was getting him down but that wasn’t the way to go about it, that we have started tidying but it’s not perfect.

He hasn’t seen the WhatsApp yet, or hasn’t opened the message.

How should I respond? Do I call/text to try and get him to come home for the sake of peace and the kids? Or do I leave him to stew, all night if it comes to it?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 15/12/2019 17:15

Maybe he won't actually have the DC very much as he's too lazy but you would be free from his criticism and judgement.

2020 is the year you have counselling and tell him to shape up or ship out...

Perhaps you need to tell other people how it really is Thanks

AdaColeman · 15/12/2019 17:21

He is emotionally abusing you. It's well established that abusers use joint counselling sessions to validate their abuse of their partner.

So do not attend joint sessions with him, but by all means attend therapy alone, for your own benefit.

fllinn · 15/12/2019 18:17

@ohwheniknow that's a superb summary diagram, I've saved that.

Butterymuffin · 15/12/2019 18:44

@Techway you mentioned
Recent research shows that empathy can switch on/off by choice
Where can I read about this? That's fascinating.

OP, I fully expect that in a split situation you wouldn't have as much of a worry about him being short with them as you think, because he would expect you still to facilitate most of the child care on account of him WORKING and being TIRED and having to tidy up his own place himself for a change.

averythinline · 15/12/2019 19:33

Wow what does he add to your life?
And your girls life....
so not only does he do not a lot during the week he moans/sulks/disappears when home... swears at u in front of your family...
Do you not think your life would be less stressful without him

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/12/2019 20:11

Hi Perrinelli

Re your comments in quote marks:-

"Sometimes in my darker moments I find myself almost wishing he would have an affair or something, then it would be clear cut and his ‘fault’ and no one would blame me for throwing him out".

You do not need him to have an affair for you to divorce him; anyway he won't go quietly if at all because he likes having you around to abuse and otherwise mistreat and order about as he sees fit. Also finding another sap/slave with poor boundaries in relationships to cook, clean and otherwise facilitate his life like you do is going to take work and he does not want that.

Who is going to blame you anyway for throwing him out in any case?. Family and or friends?. They may well like him but as I have mentioned before, such people can be quite plausible to those in the outside world. It is only behind closed doors that their true nature emerges and they are also not married to him. You and in turn your children are seeing his abuses of you at first hand.

Is this really what you want to teach your children about relationships?. This is really a shit model of a relationship frankly to show them, we learn about relationships first and foremost from our parents. How would you feel if your children ended up with a version of their father in their own adult relationships?. You'd feel utterly awful. You're currently showing them that this abusive behaviour from him to you is still acceptable to you on some level.

"Ducks in a row - I/we are so lucky that since his parents passed away and we put money into our house I couldn’t stay here but if we sold up there would be enough for us both to get somewhere smaller but doable"

Good. You likely would not want to remain in such a place with all its bad memories in anyway. And you're even thinking of him too although he really does deserve no consideration whatsoever.

"And as you have picked up, I have no fear about coping on my own with the girls since that is basically what I do now".
Indeed. You can and will manage, nay thrive, without him in your day to day lives.
"I would of course worry about how he’d cope with them on his own because his fuse with them can be short at times".

Do you think that such a man, who is really this selfish, entitled, self absorbed and with a short fuse to boot would actually want his children around for say half the week?. No particularly that he is really not all that bothered about them now. He would likely palm them off onto his mother or some other female relative and be crap with him meeting them. He expects you also to do all the scut/grunt work because after all you are female and that is therefore your job in his eyes.

"It’s just such a massive thing to think about.
I think people around us have no idea things are not great (or maybe they do?)"

It is a big thing to get your head around but get your head around this you must. I would think that one or two people have their own private based suspicions about your H. Your children deserve to see a far better model of how relationships are conducted for a start and btw you also deserve better too. Love your own self for a change OP because this man surely does not.

Abuse thrives on secrecy. Start opening up to a trusted person about your life at home and at the very least anyway talk directly to Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247. They can and will help you here. You have indeed taken a small but very important step by writing about this on here and for that you should have full credit. This is not an easy thing to write about.

"Maybe I should make 2020 the year I seek counselling on my own if he won’t come".

There is no maybe here; you need to see a counsellor and one who has vast experience of emotional abuse, asap. He has already stated he won't go to counselling so no point in asking him further about this. He is doing you a favour by not attending because joint counselling is NEVER recommended if there is abuse of any type within the relationship.

You cannot answer the question as to what you get out of this relationship now. That in itself speaks volumes.

"He’s gone a bit back to normal today but of course no apology, no mention of yesterday and no tidying up from him!"

You will never get an apology from him nor him taking any responsibility for his actions. This from him is also typical of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one. You can expect more of the same from him. And tidying up is "your job" in his eyes because you are lower than him.

"I’m worried about Christmas and how it will be. A couple of years ago he told me to f* off in front of my family when we were cooking lunch (because I asked something about the timing of the turkey vs the veg, can’t remember exactly) and I was so upset and embarrassed. But last year was better than I thought so fingers crossed."

You do realise I hope by now that the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is NONE. He told you to fuck off in front of your family!. Apart from this being a gross overreaction on his part, it was a bloody awful thing to say to you and also an indication of how little he respects you as a person. He would not have ever tolerated you telling him the same. Was last year only "better" because you were totally subservient to him, otherwise tiptoed around him and asked him nothing?. There is also nothing to prevent him from telling you to fuck off again this year. Don't just merely cross your fingers, make this the last year you are married to this man and make 2020 the year you finally separate from this man, your abuser.

Rottnest · 15/12/2019 20:28

Every post I have read by Attila, on any thread has given only good sensible advice.

I am so impressed each time.
OP take her dvice to heart

Warmfirechocolate · 15/12/2019 21:28

I’m worried about Christmas and how it will be. A couple of years ago he told me to f off in front of my family when we were cooking lunch*

Now this to me is much more of a red flag than the sulking. I sulk sometimes! I get cross. Things get to me. We are all like this to some extent. However telling someone to fuck off is quite serious wouldn’t you say? And in front of your family? On Christmas Day?

The way I try and look at things, is, would we do this Behaviour at work? We’d all probably have grumpy days at work. Ones where we just need time out. Ones where we look at a colleagues failure to come up with what was needed when they said they would, and roll our eyes and say tersely but I needed this for a deadline. We’d do it occasionally.

But we wouldn’t constantly pick on someone at work. We wouldn’t delegate unfairly onto a colleague. We wouldn’t certainly wouldn’t tell a colleague to fuck off. That would be all be bullying.

Interestedwoman · 15/12/2019 21:34

' A couple of years ago he told me to f* off in front of my family when we were cooking lunch (because I asked something about the timing of the turkey vs the veg, can’t remember exactly) ;

Nooooo. Make 2020 the year you escape. xx

REignbow · 15/12/2019 23:20

He’s awful.

I would not be surprised that if you were honest with your friends and family, that they would say they’ve been concerned about you.

Please leave him, he adds nothing but negativity to your life.

GabsAlot · 15/12/2019 23:42

so he walks round huffs and puffs but doesnt actually pick anyting up-why is it your job if you both work

timeisnotaline · 16/12/2019 05:26

Sulkers are passive aggressive cowards op. Preempt your Christmas rather than walking on eggshells. Button hole him, say Christmas year before last you were abusive to me in front of my family. I was too shocked to say anything then but it is never too late to front on with behaviour like that. Let me be completely clear. I have bought a jar of cranberry sauce which is solely to dump over your head if you dare talk to me that way again. I will follow it by throwing every item of your clothing out the window for you to collect on your way out. I don’t care who’s watching as I made a promise to myself and my children- I will never let anyone speak to me that way again and I will never let my children see their mother treated that way again.

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