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Just so down

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kshaw · 08/12/2019 09:08

Sorry if this is long or no paragraphs etc. I'm just looking for an outside prospective.

I have been with DH eight years. We have a two year old DD and we got married in August. We live in private rented housing which isn't perfect but it certainly is home to me. DH is above average intelligence and definitely something I love him for. He's also very ambitious.
I'll start this off with saying I'm really anxious when it comes and hate there being an atmosphere.
When things are good they're really good. I love my husband and our little family. But I cannot cope with the arguing and anger issues from him anymore. Since we got back from honeymoon every weekend has been an argument over something. Often feel it's really trivial. If I show an opinion different to his I am 'demeaning, belittling and insulting' him. He believes I don't listen to him. I think he means I don't do exactly as he says or i don't agree with his opinion. An example of arguements we've had are that I didn't thank him enough for vacuuming (his own house FFS) then the week after he knew my thank you wasnt sincere enough and was just saying it for sale of saying it. When we argue his anger is palpable. He can't sit still. He literally pouts. I can never admit I'm in the wrong or he runs with it, so if I say yes I was wrong to do that I will be selfish for doing it and not let it go.
I can honestly say if he'd have been like this so consistently on the run up to the wedding I wouldn't have gone through with it.
The latest thing is he wants to buy a house so everything about our current rented accommodation isn't good enough and it's making him unhappy. We talked about this before we got married (when we got engaged we were living in London with zero chance of buying so we're focussed on the wedding, we then moved back up north and we chatted and he said he wanted to get married before buying), his parents have graciously offered us a very generous deposit but we both agreed need at least 10k saved so can pay fees etc and decorate and buy new furniture. We don't have 10k yet but he's obsessed with buying. He'd found one he liked went to view. I went to view it yesterday and was underwhelmed with it. Voiced my opinions and I was just barraged with insults. It's like I'm not allowed an opinion if it isn't the same as his. I was honest with him and said I don't want to commit to buying with him right now, I need to not be legally financially tied to him so I can leave with our little girl this is how unhappy I am at the minute. I'm sick of crying. I'm sick of having to apologise for stuff to call an end to the argument when I don't really mean it. He obviously didn't take it well which is fine. We were still arguing and I'll admit I was shouting but he came right into my face clapped as loud as he could 3-4 times right at the end of my nose and then screamed in my face 'silence'...I was holding our two year old at that point. I walked away with her and she kept saying 'daddy made me sad'. Afte rboth had calmed down a bit he obnoxiously said to me it's my behaviour that lead to his and his actions had done the job and shocked me into shutting up. I totally realise this all sounds like abuse when written down. I am not perfect far from it but since all this arguing I'm finding I'm on eggshells all the time. I'm taking on more at home (both work full time) and I'm not asking him to do anything (he wouldn't do anything without being asked but when asked will normally but expect praise).

How long do you stay unhappy for? It's only been a 4 month marriage. It's embarrassing. It's like a catch 22. He says he is unhappy as he doesn't own a house im not willing to buy a house when he's like this!!! Said he's welcome to buy a house on his own in his name (after all it's his parents that's enabling it)

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Dragongirl10 · 08/04/2020 10:09

OP please please DO NOT MEET HIM, it will not go well, and it could go really badly and most importantly your DDD will be there witnessing this...

Let go of the hope it will all mirculously change for the better, this is it, this is who he is, this is always who he will always be, let him go... in your head then your heart...

Put your DD first..... it is over, do not start it up again or your DD will suffer. If you wish to suffer that is your choice, you are an adult, she has no choice...

kshaw · 08/04/2020 11:04

I didn't meet him. He started texting when asked him to bring something for DD saying I wouldn't help him (he means do it for him) when he wanted something similar so wouldn't help me. So said I don't want to see him for at least a week. I've had to talk to my boss to see if can get a work laptop so i can do some work from home as was using desktop at home. This is all such a mess. I'm really emotional today!
Thank you all for your help.
I'm sorry I don't know how to tag but the user below who was struggling too, how's things today?

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hellsbellsmelons · 08/04/2020 11:26

I'm sorry OP.
You will be emotional for a long time.
This is why we all advised you not to meet him today and I'm very glad you cancelled.
I hope your boss can help and understands.
Very UMN (((((HUG)))))

Thesheerrelief · 08/04/2020 12:02

It sounds like he doesn't realise you are serious about this because he's still trying to play stupid games of oneupmanship. It's good you didn't meet him because he seems to think it's business as usual and I know from my own experience that it can be hard to break that pattern.

Well done for getting out of there and please stay gone Flowers

kshaw · 08/04/2020 13:52

Well he turned up at my mum's with the thing I'd asked for. I explained I'd asked it to be brought as was already coming not to be brought on his own. I asked if he wanted to talk since he was there. He said no you want a break so let's have one. I said ok and went back in the house. DD didn't see him

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RandomMess · 08/04/2020 14:13

So already trampling your boundaries and ignoring what you want.

In future don't answer the door to him.

Aerial2020 · 08/04/2020 17:06

Playing games with you. Showing you he can still do what he wants.
What a prick. You will have such a brighter future without him. Well done for taking the first step

GilbertMarkham · 08/04/2020 18:27

Sounds like Mr. (Always) Right in the Bancroft book.

Ultimately he thinks he should rule the roost and you don't have a right to an opinion or to argue .. hence the clapping into your face and shouting "Silence". Nothing could demonstrate an "Obey me!" attitude more, he wants the mini autocracy in his home life that Bancroft describes (as opposed to a democracy).

Also sounds extreme and irresponsible re. your child.

GilbertMarkham · 08/04/2020 18:30

If I was being very very cynical, I would say reconcile til the property is bought with his parents sizeable deposit, and divorce later.

Why should you walk away from this shit with nothing other than whatever CM you can screw out of him, it's his fault if you separate and divorce.

Whether you can stick it or shield your DD that long is another question.

GilbertMarkham · 08/04/2020 18:32

(As long as the property is bought in joint names, it's should be a marital asset and any equity up for division).

Aerial2020 · 08/04/2020 19:14

Awful suggestion to buy the property anyway.
Divorce is extremely stressf enough as it is. Divorcing from an abusive partner will add to that stress as they will play games all the way through. He is not going to suddenly agree to things to help.
Leave. Don't look back.

Aerial2020 · 08/04/2020 19:16

And the DD will not be shielded. They will experienced even more abuse

GilbertMarkham · 08/04/2020 20:43

He is not going to suddenly agree to things to help.

He doesnt get to play games when she has a legal claim on a marital.asset.

I already highlighted the downsides Inc effect on child.

Aerial2020 · 08/04/2020 21:11
Hmm
Aerial2020 · 08/04/2020 21:32

This is a person. A little human growing up in that environment. Your childhood & attachment shapes your whole outlook on life
Suggesting prolonging ths abuse on not only the OP but also the child is crazy. Ffs.

LannieDuck · 11/09/2020 13:48

@kshaw I came to read your thread from StupidArgument's thread - blimey, your DH was horrendous.

It sounds like you're still separated? Well done. You definitely made the right choice for you and your DD.

lesleyw1953 · 11/09/2020 16:59

He is nuts - and will probably escalate to dangerously nuts. For pity's sake get yourself and your child away fro this man - permanently

kshaw · 11/09/2020 17:31

Hi @lannieduck thanks for the message.

I am still away from him, has it been 5 months now? He has been pretty horrific. We are in joint councilling and I did 6 weeks single councilling. My personal councillor told me she believes emotional abuse. The joint councillor rang me separately and said she thought may be too. Nothing is changing and I'm not expecting it to. I am trying though for the sake of my daughter but I have no expectations.

He put an offer in on a house on his own about 3 months ago(? Time is totally warped at the mo!) Apparently with the expectation we'd all move there as a family. I've not seen it, just a link on Rightmove. He does not understand why I'd be hurt by this action.
I'm going to move back to the rented house once he's moved to his own place he desperately wants.

We've tried doing a few 'date' days
At the suggestion of the councillor, they've gone ok but they aren't reality and nothing of value is discussed but has been nice seeing his sense of humour again but that's about it.

All seems to be running relatively smoothly until we disagree on something then I'm back to me being selfish, a liar (for apologising when I didn't mean it) and him not being listened to, disrespected and insulted.

It's going to be a long road but defo on the right path

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