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Just so down

118 replies

kshaw · 08/12/2019 09:08

Sorry if this is long or no paragraphs etc. I'm just looking for an outside prospective.

I have been with DH eight years. We have a two year old DD and we got married in August. We live in private rented housing which isn't perfect but it certainly is home to me. DH is above average intelligence and definitely something I love him for. He's also very ambitious.
I'll start this off with saying I'm really anxious when it comes and hate there being an atmosphere.
When things are good they're really good. I love my husband and our little family. But I cannot cope with the arguing and anger issues from him anymore. Since we got back from honeymoon every weekend has been an argument over something. Often feel it's really trivial. If I show an opinion different to his I am 'demeaning, belittling and insulting' him. He believes I don't listen to him. I think he means I don't do exactly as he says or i don't agree with his opinion. An example of arguements we've had are that I didn't thank him enough for vacuuming (his own house FFS) then the week after he knew my thank you wasnt sincere enough and was just saying it for sale of saying it. When we argue his anger is palpable. He can't sit still. He literally pouts. I can never admit I'm in the wrong or he runs with it, so if I say yes I was wrong to do that I will be selfish for doing it and not let it go.
I can honestly say if he'd have been like this so consistently on the run up to the wedding I wouldn't have gone through with it.
The latest thing is he wants to buy a house so everything about our current rented accommodation isn't good enough and it's making him unhappy. We talked about this before we got married (when we got engaged we were living in London with zero chance of buying so we're focussed on the wedding, we then moved back up north and we chatted and he said he wanted to get married before buying), his parents have graciously offered us a very generous deposit but we both agreed need at least 10k saved so can pay fees etc and decorate and buy new furniture. We don't have 10k yet but he's obsessed with buying. He'd found one he liked went to view. I went to view it yesterday and was underwhelmed with it. Voiced my opinions and I was just barraged with insults. It's like I'm not allowed an opinion if it isn't the same as his. I was honest with him and said I don't want to commit to buying with him right now, I need to not be legally financially tied to him so I can leave with our little girl this is how unhappy I am at the minute. I'm sick of crying. I'm sick of having to apologise for stuff to call an end to the argument when I don't really mean it. He obviously didn't take it well which is fine. We were still arguing and I'll admit I was shouting but he came right into my face clapped as loud as he could 3-4 times right at the end of my nose and then screamed in my face 'silence'...I was holding our two year old at that point. I walked away with her and she kept saying 'daddy made me sad'. Afte rboth had calmed down a bit he obnoxiously said to me it's my behaviour that lead to his and his actions had done the job and shocked me into shutting up. I totally realise this all sounds like abuse when written down. I am not perfect far from it but since all this arguing I'm finding I'm on eggshells all the time. I'm taking on more at home (both work full time) and I'm not asking him to do anything (he wouldn't do anything without being asked but when asked will normally but expect praise).

How long do you stay unhappy for? It's only been a 4 month marriage. It's embarrassing. It's like a catch 22. He says he is unhappy as he doesn't own a house im not willing to buy a house when he's like this!!! Said he's welcome to buy a house on his own in his name (after all it's his parents that's enabling it)

OP posts:
kshaw · 06/04/2020 20:23

Well, I'm back.
After the above all happened I went back to him. After long talks there were points we both tried to resolve. We had a lovely break away for new year. But me stepping on eggshells hasn't gone away. I have kept my mouth shut not picking up on stuff and letting it slide. Or just doing it myself rather than ask him.
So, last week on lockdown he took DD out and she had a tantrum (she's just turned 3). When he came back with her he was in a bad mood and said she needed to go to the naughty corner. I didn't intervene just let him do it. Didn't go in etc. She was crying, eventually I went to her. He had left her strapped into pram parked into the naughty corner and she was soaking wet with wee. I will admit I went a bit mad. I called him disgusting and said he was the adult and he needed to sort himself out. Just cos he was annoyed DD shouldn't have to suffer.
Obviously I'd pointed out her was in the wrong so it all went wrong. I calmed down I told him was sorry for going off the handle and I should have handled my anger better. But I refused to apologise for him being in the wrong. After an overnight of being snarled at with one word answers and lockdown making this even harder. We had a massive row which culminated in him telling me that saying I'd try not to fly off the handle wasn't good enough. I should be demonstrating ways in which to show I'm sorry. I should reflect and suggest a list of ways to show my contrition. I told him I wouldn't write a list of ways to show I'm sorry it's bloody bizarre, he could give me the list and we'd talk about it but nope. On this list I eventually got was 'when he makes a simple suggestion I just do it. No questioning' I said there's not a prayer I'm going to agree to that. Oh and I should buy him presents and suggest days out to show him I'm sorry. Honestly.
Anyway we came to some sort of truce and I mainly just got through the next couple of days by planning out how to leave. But everything picked up until today.

I'm supposedly working from home, he is on annual leave today but he's really not give me any time to work. Today he asked if I wanted to go for a walk or work...I said I'd work, him have his one exercise with DD then I'd take her out later. He said 'ok will you tidy up when I'm out' ...I said I'll try but I've got work to do can we not just both do it when home so I use this time to work...he said no you will just tidy up. Simple request. I said he isn't the person who gets to tell me what to do with my time.
He walked out leaving DD crying as she'd got her shoes on for walk etc. He came back slamming around. We argued and all came back to demeaning him and insulting I won't just do as he says. Whenever I have an opinion he says I am applying my own rhetoric and it just isn't true. Basically invalidating my opinion. I have had enough.
I've broken lockdown I'm afraid and come to my mum's with DD for a couple of days. Genuinely was worried about my mental health there. What would you do if you were me?

Sorry so long with lack of punctuation!

OP posts:
Yas01 · 06/04/2020 20:39

This sounds absolutely awful. Please end this marriage. It will never work due to your husband's narcissistic personality and need to control you. Abuse is never about culture, always about dominating another person. Please complete lockdiwn with your mum and try not to go back to him. Things will only get worse for you and your daughter. You can be free and live a happy, stress - free life. Wishing you all the best xx

elf1985 · 06/04/2020 20:40

I didn't see your post first time round
But well done! Make a few days a few weeks and let him stew. Being intelligent isnt an excuse to be an angry arsehole.

AgentJohnson · 06/04/2020 20:41

Basically, you went back after a few platitudes and lip service, now your back he’s not only reverted to type but he’s upped the ante.

What should you do? Prioritise your DD by calling time on this abusive man and your toxic relationship.

Fairycake2 · 06/04/2020 20:43

Clearly he hasn't changed at all from when you originally posted. Read back through all the advice you got and what you wrote at the time then makes plans to LTB. Stay with your Mum and start divorce proceedings ASAP. Wishing you luck 💐

RandomMess · 06/04/2020 20:45

Please don't go back.

He was off you were working, why on earth would you clean and tidy when you are supposed to be working. He should have been looking after DD and doing the house stuff.

He won't change he doesn't want an equal he wants a wife-servant and he will expect the same from DD to treat him as Lord and Master.

Have you got your laptop with you so that you can work from your Mum's house?

Sally2791 · 06/04/2020 20:48

Please do not subject your child to this abusive situation again. He will NOT change, not ever, he is determined to control you. I have experienced similar and I can’t tell you how good it feels to be out of it.

Dragongirl10 · 06/04/2020 20:53

Op what stands out for me is that your poor DD is witnessing all this, it is so very distressing for her....

For your sake and most importantly hers you need to leave for good...it's not going to get better..

kshaw · 06/04/2020 20:56

Thanks everyone. I'm bloody crying again. Just so fed up!!!

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SmokedGlass · 06/04/2020 20:57

My goodness, it’s taken 8 plus years for him to start behaving like this?
Surely you saw these cruel signs years ago? The man sounds dangerous, why would you want to live around that with a little girl too

Stay at your mums please, he’s just getting worse

Busylizzie35 · 06/04/2020 21:00

As others have said, OP I hope you have the courage to leave him for your daughters sake, he sounds awful, have you told your mum the situation? Can you stay with her until this lockdown is over? Maybe use this time to contact citizens advice, your local council etc to look for housing?

goldpartyhat · 06/04/2020 21:01

My ex husband was like this. This is abuse and it gets worse. I recognise the locking you out thing. It was entirely deliberate. My ex would also go to bed and lock me out leaving his keys in the lock, then not answer me banging on the door. He would scream in my face, say nasty things, tell me it was my fault for provoking him, and so on.

IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE!

Get out now before you are destroyed and lose yourself. A new house won't change him. A new car won't change him. Endless tiptoeing around him and taking the blame for everything won't change him. You can only change yourself and go.

Dery · 06/04/2020 21:04

You’ve not broken lockdown: your relationship is abusive and you are allowed to leave the house to escape domestic abuse. The government has made that very clear. Please stay with your mother for now.

Good luck in disentangling yourself from this man.

You might find it helpful to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft.

Stay strong. This is him now.

Dery · 06/04/2020 21:06

Posted too soon: However he behaved in the past, he’s shown a side of himself which makes it impossible to be in a relationship with him. It’s probably not coincidence that it emerged after you were married - he perhaps thought it would make it harder for you to get away.

District26 · 06/04/2020 21:10

He's already left your DD in a state, if my DP did that I'd walk out there and then and never come back. Abusing you is one thing but if there's anything that's going to make the difference it HAS to be your DD, don't let her grow up thinking this is normal. He's already started, what's he doing when you're not there? That would be it for me. You're better than this OP, I know it's hard, I've been in this situation (before I had a baby with my current DP), been locked out etc.. It ruined me, took me years to get back to my normal self. Please leave

rosabug · 06/04/2020 21:16

I would say not only abusive, but also mental health issues. I don't think you can mend this level of distortion. Don't be the lobster in the pot. Do not continue in this relationship. Don't tell yourself there must be some rhyme or reason (depression, your fault, the house) - there is not. This is not normal behaviour.

MashedSpud · 06/04/2020 21:21

Leave.

He’ll be punching you in the near future.

Gobbycop · 06/04/2020 21:22

Fuck him off quick time, cut your losses and enjoy your DD.

I've not read past the first post but it was the clapping and silence bit that got me.
Total asshole. Get rid.

Gobbycop · 06/04/2020 21:28

Also wants praise for vacuuming what a fucking idiot.

I wiped my arse earlier, demanded my mrs gave me a fanfare 😂

CodenameVillanelle · 06/04/2020 21:33

He's highly, highly abusive. You must separate from him.

DareToTiger · 06/04/2020 21:47

He wants praise for hoovering, wants presents and arselicking as as apology, and just wants you to do as he says?

Absolute cunt. Rid yourself of this joke of a man.

kshaw · 06/04/2020 21:57

@gobbycop that actually raised a smile, thank you!

Now I just need to actually find a way to properly leave I think

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rvby · 06/04/2020 22:02

@kshaw I hope this is enough now, for you and your little DD. I said it before in this thread, I will say it again, this man sees wives as domestic appliances. You are now a wife. If you don't act as a mod con to make his life easier, if you aren't a machine to please him, he will beat you into submission or chuck you out into the scrap heap without batting his eye.

You didn't break lockdown. You got your DD out of an abusive home.

Please, for Christ's sake, let this be the last straw. In a few very short months your DD will be able to remember all of this awful shit her father does. Please save her from that bitter fate. Stay away from this guy.

Justwondering3696 · 06/04/2020 22:22

Just wanted to reiterate what others have said in particular @Dragongirl10 your little DD has to be key in this his behaviour towards her and in front of her is abuse and appalling please get away long term and I would advise not leaving her alone with him again although she s young this still may affect her .

Gobbycop · 06/04/2020 22:36

@gobbycop that actually raised a smile, thank you!

I'm glad and you're more than welcome 😉, not making light of your situation at all, he sounds awful.

You'll make the right decision for you and your daughter.

Best of luck.

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