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Some friendly words - part 2. It's over.

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ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 30/10/2019 22:42

First of all I wanted to apologise to the lovely people who were so supportive on my original thread. I had it deleted because I had a weird 'outing' experience, but it doesn't matter now because this evening I had the phone call telling me it was definitely over.

I thought we had been making some progress trying to work things out, but no, it's done.

22 years destroyed in the space of a few months.

In his words, something just switched off. Which is nice.

I don't believe there is an OW, but I suspect there may well be shortly.

Moving away for a job, living in the village he grew up in which he had never wanted to leave originally, and where he now feels more at home than he has done in years. And yes, he did say that, although he did apologise when I pointed out that didn't make me feel super wonderful.

Too much time alone, too much time to dwell and gnaw at all the little things that weren't quite right, all the little niggles, and BOOM suddenly he's able to completely shut, bolt and nail the door up behind him,

And I am just broken. I know I am strong, I know I can get through this, but blimey, it is just, pain.

It seems such a dreadful waste. Ironically, if he hadn't got this job earlier in the year, we may well have been in Las Vegas now, celebrating 20 years of marriage, which is somewhere I'd always wanted to go, and we were going to splurge, irregardless of our not terribly healthy finances.

I just did not see this coming. I still believe our niggles, issues etc were eminently fixable. But fixing them needed someone who was present. And he evidently hasn't been for the past few months.

It seems to have happened very quickly in his head. There was a catalyst of moving within the village 2 months ago at which point it's like a light went out.

So we never had a chance really, he never said how he was feeling because there doesn't seem to have been a period of doubt, just love one day, nothing the next.

Have to work out how to tell the children (well, young adults).

As is so often the case, the one person I would turn to, talk to, the one person I could rely on to have my back, to make me feel better just by being there...is the very person who has broken me.

Of course I still love him. He's been my love, my person, my best friend for all this time, and to lose all of those is horrifying.

We 'got' each other so much, on so many levels just not having that is more than I feel I can bear. I feel like I'm bursting out of my skin.

When he first told me how he felt, and then when we were talking so I wasn't sure, but hoped there was a chance, I thought that limbo was bad, and actually knowing might feel better. It doesn't.

If anyone is there, please could you spare a moment.

I am very lucky, I have some wonderful friends, but at the moment I just can't go to bed and I feel, just, horrible.

Thank you

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Bananasandchocolatecustard · 22/01/2020 10:33

I read the whole thread yesterday. I so wish none of you needed to be here. I wish Mumsnet had existed when I was going through the same. Hugs to you all.

Bigpooh13 · 22/01/2020 11:31

So tired n drained.

SoTiredTonight · 22/01/2020 11:37

In a rush this morning but didn’t want to read and run. Thinking about all of you and post later! Chins up ladies, as @SuperbMonkey says, we are Warrior Women!!!
Big hugs to all, especially @Big and @simply4help just now! xxx

SuperbMonkey · 22/01/2020 12:12

Hi All. I posted a longer post earlier, welcoming new arrivals, but it has disappeared! It won’t be as good the second time so I won’t try to repeat it. Welcome new arrivals. 👋

@simply4help, please try to take some of the advice you have been given. I know how hard it is. I am finding it hard too, but I know I have to take action no matter how difficult.

@Bigpooh13, we do have control over what happens to us but we have to act like Warriors as much as possible. We can’t control what they do or what OW do. We and we alone control how we react to what they do and how we create new lives for ourselves. I am and always have been a very strong woman. I am scared of the future. The future is going to come whether I look after myself or not. The more I look after myself, the better my future will be. It’s a no brainer, I have to look after myself. I look at who my STBXH is without rose coloured glasses. I recognise that he is not my friend; he is probably my enemy. His actions show me that he is not a person to be reasoned with. The only way is his way. Am I going to accept that to be the case, and allow the rest of my life to be ruined? No. I am going to collect my troops, take no prisoners amongst ‘neutral friends’, and I am going to fight for my future. @caketimeisover has shown us how to do this. We have to stop seeing these men as our lovers or at least our friends. They are neither.

I value myself and I do not accept his story about who I am. I know that he is a liar and a cheat. His word is not the truth. I will understand my own truth, my integrity, my honesty, and my love. None of this means that I will fight to my death, become bitter and twisted, or refuse to compromise. For the first time ever I am acting in my best interests whatever they may be. We are intelligent women suffering with distress and exhaustion. So we look after ourselves and make ourselves match fit. This is not a match that we sought out. But if we are worth something to ourselves we can’t give up. I am carrying on and will get what I want, which is freedom to live the rest of my life away from a controlling narcissist, doing the things that I want to do. Who’s with me?

ThelmaAndLouise2020 · 22/01/2020 12:14

Sorry some of you are having a hard day Thanks. Despite everything I actually feel surprisingly upbeat today. I strongly recommend exercise and fresh air (ideally in nature) to anyone struggling, I find it always does me the world of good no matter how shit a time I'm having!

I'm excited because I have new books to read:

Women Who Run With The Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes (recommended to me by my counsellor when I asked about help with building up my self esteem)

Codependent No More by Melodie Beattie (I have been pondering over whether I am co-dependent and after a bit of research decided that this book would be worth a read) have you heard of this one @SuperbMonkey ?

I've also raced through Feel Better in 5 by Dr Rangan Chatterjee (I love him!) and picked out some new healthy 5 min habits to incorporate into my life. I have already bought 2 more copies of this book to give to friends. I Thoroughly recommend to everyone on this thread.

I think every step (no matter how small) you make towards making your life how you want it to be (and not spending all that precious energy thinking about ex) helps you feel better.

I hope everyone that needs a boost feels better today, if not, do something nice for yourself and remember tomorrow is a new day and even if it doesn't feel like it now, you will start to feel better Thanks

ThelmaAndLouise2020 · 22/01/2020 12:18

Cross post @SuperbMonkey I think we are on the same wave length here! Love your post and I am totally with you x

SuperbMonkey · 22/01/2020 12:34

@ThelmaAndLouise2020, thank you for the book recommendations, and for the kind words. I felt better solely for having posted my warrior words. It’s amazing how empowering positive thought can be, when it’s from the heart. Every day I am going to write in my journal a completed task which has moved me forward to a more successful, happier life. I am not being defined for another day by his mid life crisis nonsense. He is going to be worse off financially at the end of this and that was his choice.

I have heard of Women Who Run With The Wolves and will look online to see if the library has a copy.

I have heard of Melodie Beattie on mumsnet, but not looked at her work. Let me know what you think of it. She may have some YouTube features so that I can get a feel for what she says.

I’m pleased that you are with me Thelma. Strength in numbers ... ⭐️

Bigpooh13 · 22/01/2020 13:07

@superbmonkey.
Thankyou. You are so right on every level. I've been reading alot on narssiciam .
Having a sick day today as I can. I'm not sure if I'm co repentant or it was his controlling behaviour and me comprising all the time.

SuperbMonkey · 22/01/2020 13:27

@Bigpooh13, good for you in having a sick day. You are caring for yourself. That’s a positive step. Even if he is not a narcissist many of the traits will apply to him, and you are educating yourself so that you will be strong and knowledgeable in negotiations. Eduction is always a good thing and you are stronger than you think. 💪💪

caketimeisover · 22/01/2020 16:55

Having a few cries today, not even sure what about... Just everything really. Trying to look at it as getting the sad out, although sometimes I wonder if it's bit self-pitying and I'm not sure how useful that is? Maybe it's just because I still can't quite believe how awful this has been, how cruel he has been (when he was always the safe, nice guy) - feel like maybe I'm overreacting or being a drama queen. I feel so fortunate in many ways (kids, house, jobs etc), but still a little bit like I've been hit by a truck (and reversed over a few times!) sometimes. Just still trying to find solid ground and a new normal so I can adjust. Maybe I'm expecting too much too soon though, there are still bound to be ups and downs. And repeat: one day at a time but each day dickhead free!

Chump Lady had a post about nice vs kind today, thought it was quite interesting and definitely resonated with me.

Thanks for the book recommendations @ThelmaAndLouise2020, I need some new ones. Reading "uncoupling" by Sara Davison at the moment, dipping in and out of it a bit but finding it useful. Anyway, nice to hear you sounding so positive! And @SuperbMonkey, you sound so mighty today, it's awesome - you should do motivational speaking!!

thegrassisgreenernow · 22/01/2020 17:44

Like @SuperbMonkey I also wrote a long post last night 'welcoming' the newcomers and it disappeared. Aaagh.

Anyway, yes, we are here whenever you need us.

It's clearly infectious, I am also slumping a bit in the last few days, felt much more positive last week. Sometimes it just seems to flood over me like a wave. And am also so so tired (good name @SoTiredTonight, and your late post yesterday is exactly me - if everything runs completely smoothly I can cope, but have no resilience for anything going wrong nor for any contact with DH) again.

I'm with you in trying to feel more positive again @SuperbMonkey, sometimes it's just hard and scary though isn't it. I'm sorry you're feeling things are charging ahead, but maybe that means resolution and a new future will also come quicker? I'm burying my head in the sand and haven't reared it to talk to DH about any future plans at all. Hoping I might be able just to do that forever!

Jacteller · 22/01/2020 19:03

Hi ladies been AWOL for a few days, a major slump and RL getting in the way. I have read everyday and what @SuperbMonkey said just resonated with me, amazing words you need to get into public speaking!! Struggling with finances and family at the moment, but made a clear decision to look for a different job, so job hunting to suit my needs and not everyone elses.

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 22/01/2020 22:22

Masses to catch up on, so apologies for word-frenzy!

Stillfunny – can relate to the feeling of satisfaction in confusing your H – they are simple creatures I think! I do hate the lack of control over your emotions though. I am now always slightly mistrustful of mine, as I never know when they are going to suddenly throw a curveball.

Thelma, sorry you have the hopium too. You summed it up exactly. Love the man, hate the actions, but the ‘softening’ on their side is so hard to resist – that glimpse of the person they once were. With mine, he was actually ‘my person’ again. And that person was lovely. No wonder I let my guard down. Even though at the same time I knew on some level it was a false hope.

Superb – I have the resentment that Firstlove might have that life with H that I was looking forward to. But actually she won’t, because she doesn’t have H v.1 – she has the weak, cowardly, rather pathetic v.2, so whatever life she has, and whatever life he has, it will be a shadow of what he would have had with me – and it will be the same with your H. I don’t think you can behave the way they have without it impacting.

You really do have such a lovely way with words! And your positive encouragement is such a help. I am so glad about your voluntary role, and interviews – and your busy week – I am in awe of your progress – you are moving forward despite having so much to deal with. I hope you hear soon from your interview.

Funnily enough, the ‘pay it forward’ idea in relation to Still’s support of her friend, is very relevant for me at the moment, as I have reconnected with a friend I haven’t seen in a while, and she is having her own troubles. We both got comfort from each other, I think as much from being able to provide support, as well as receive it. It is like here I think? That lovely warmth of having people say kind words to you and wanting to share your own with others. Mutual comfort.

I am sorry that your situation might be moving quickly and be difficult. You have your band of warriors here beside you to hold you up. You are such a huge inspiration and you are such a positive ‘force’ on this thread, please do know that we are right here in your corner. It’s a bit of a squash as there are quite a few of us, but you, and all of us are mighty in our love and strength.

I can only echo Jac, by the way – your ‘Warrior Words’ were, if you’ll pardon the sort of pun, Superb! Totally on the money, concise and empowering. Definitely something to re-read.

Bigpooh – that glimmer, I’m not even sure it is a game. I think they have a moment, or moments where the ‘real them’ pops out, but they have to hide it away again as soon as possible, because having to face the reality of what they’ve done, what they’ve become is just far too hard and horrible – and they are cowards. I think it is a case of being weak and pathetic, rather than evil.

I find myself on the verge of contacting H every so often, to share a thought or something that’s happened, and then catch myself. That’s just natural I guess. Normal, decent people can’t switch of years of feelings at the flick of a switch. Putting a positive spin on it, it’s proof that we aren’t fucked up cockwombles.

Excellent on looking for volunteer work – I think that’s a brilliant step to take.

Thegrassisgreener – yes, that rollercoaster of emotions all within one hour is quite something – I think it just goes to show how amazing we are to be able to roll with it – such strength. Bearing in mind the pity party H’s seem to throw themselves when things get a little tough, I suspect they would probably be gibbering wrecks if they were in our shoes. We are made of strong stuff!

And doing nothing can be fab! I spent most of last weekend curled up with trashy thrillers. Most satisfying!

And yes, I would want to be on friendly terms with H because of the dc, but particularly at the moment I am so disappointed and ashamed of his wankbadgery I don’t really want to have anything to do with him at all.

SoTired, I wonder if the unsettled feeling is part of the process? I don’t know if I can explain it properly, but there’s an element where although I still have ups and downs, the absolute gut-wrenching pain is lessened a bit. Instead there is more a feeling of wrongness, that makes it hard to focus. Kind of prickly dissatisfaction and mopeyness. Kind of a waiting game until either a wave of pain comes, or a moment of being happier?

Wineisafruit – please do post here – this is a thread full of support and kindness, although I am of course so sorry that you find yourself here. I am glad you have such good support in RL too. SoTired & Superb & Thelma & caketime are right though, do give yourself a little time to breathe before making decisions. I tried to rush around doing things right at the beginning and it was completely the wrong thing to do and I nearly wiped myself out with tiredness and tears. Lovely people here helped me slow down a notch. Accept the support and just ‘be’ for a little. We’re all a bit further down the track now, and we’ve all experienced that rush of emotion, horror & fear- and they are spot on with their words of wisdom.

Simply4help, I am so sorry to hear your situation, that is really crappy. Have you got people to lean on in RL?

Thank you for the kind words Bananas. I’m sorry you had to go through it without this support. I’ve said before that I never would have imagined ‘chatting’ like this would be so immensely valuable.

I’m in a weird place at the moment. Not sure if it is the effects of the anti-depressants, but I’m feeling very dissociated from the situation. I am functioning, even laughing and joking a bit at work, and getting things done. Not crying or feeling anguished. Having H say all the words I might have wished for, then the hopium, then the inevitable semi-backtracking, did set me back, but not as much as I would have expected. And his part of our subsequent messaging has verged on the ridiculous in terms of reinventing both himself and the past. I’m not quite numb, but probably so ‘What the Fuck’ I don’t quite know how I’m supposed to react, really.

I read this thread back right from the beginning. It’s amazing to see how we have all progressed in both our thinking and our moving forward, and just how bloody strong we are. There is nothing weak in being kind, in reaching out, in showing vulnerabilities. In fact it is those things that make us strong, make us able to keep moving forward. We don’t hide, we’re not ashamed of our feelings, not afraid to cry, scream or falter. And that’s why we’re better people than those who have caused our pain. They can’t bear to face themselves, so invent new personas, new and false narratives for themselves. We can all look ourselves in the face with pride. Everyone fucks up, but it’s how you deal with it that shows the measure of a person. And I know how we measure up.

Dragon-armour-clad Warrior Women, every one of us!

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SuperbMonkey · 22/01/2020 23:11

@caketimeisover, love your first paragraph. You are in there fighting away, and just having some sad times. You should have seen me yesterday. Your head is in the right place, and processing the stages of grief. I loved the chumplady post today. It was enlightening. The difference between nice and kind is profound. I hadn’t thought about that before. Thanks for the kind words. Let’s hope the motivation lasts. I am feeling empowered though. He is behaving like a churlish adolescent because that’s what he’s regressed to. I can do this, I have to.

@thegrassisgreenernow, it’s frustrating when a long post disappears and the inspiration disappears with it. You definitely have resilience. The batteries run down because we are coping with so much. We need to be able to spot when the batteries are flagging and recharge in advance. I need things to move on because I’m rubbish at living in limbo, which is where I am. It is hard to stay positive. Staying miserable is worse, and, as cake mentions, it can tip into self-pity, which isn’t going to lead to a happy future. You’ll take control when you’re ready and able.

@Jacteller, thank you for your kind words too. You sound very positive about finding the job you want and meeting your needs, not anyone else’s. It’s liberating in a way. This is about you. Can you imagine what the job will look like and how good you will feel to get into work and start experiencing joy there? A job to get excited about?

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, so lovely to hear from you. This is your thread, and you started something special by being vulnerable enough to share your experience, and kind enough to respond to everyone individually so that we felt valued when we arrived here feeling worthless. That’s quite something! Thank you.

I was smacked hard by a curve ball yesterday and another this morning. It’s the feeling of fear that sweeps over me. But that’s fear of change. And I am seeing clearly that I can choose how to react. You are spot on about various husband editions, and like so many things, the later versions are not new and improved but of lower quality, made up of cheap parts, and somewhat inferior. I’m so glad my words resonated with you and that you and a friend have reconnected. It’s funny as I was saying exactly the same thing to a friend this evening. Positives are reconnecting with long out of touch friends, and being open to give and accept help. It’s life enriching. Thank you all for your support. I can feel the waves of the Warrior Women reaching out as a powerful physical force. And the pun is smile creating.

What you say about normal people is right too. Normal people don’t behave like our partners. Our partners are disordered and that’s no way to live. I’ve shared your reaction to the hopium, the rewriting, the ups and downs. It’s their muddled minds and there’s no point trying to untangle the threads. We can’t understand them because our minds work in an ordered way. It’s like trying to understand Klingon when your only language is English. I’m with you on the What the Fuck but I’m reaching ‘it’s not my job to understand you any more’. The only person I need to understand is myself (and in your case your DC).

Your last paragraph and line are inspirational too. Definitely worth keeping.

We are Mighty. The spouses and partners should be afraid because they are not equal to the challenge. Sleep well everyone. Xx

SoTiredTonight · 22/01/2020 23:26

Wow, all you ladies have been so detailed in your posts today, you’re putting me to shame! Despite not writing much myself, I do take the time to read each and every one of your posts and as some of you have said at times, I really feel that things are really not that bad for me. Like today was actually really pleasant. But is that me just settling or wishful thinking until the next time? I am beyond confused about my own feelings at times, let alone his. But when things are on a good point like today, I sometimes quite like to keep my head in the sand and pretend that everything is as it’s meant to be. It’s nice to have a little let up from all the stress, if only for a day or two.
You are all amazing, beautiful and strong ladies, and I am grateful that I’ve stumbled upon @ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies‘ thread. Just sorry that it’s required really - would be so much more enjoyable if we were just here to have a laugh together! Wink @Bunnies again, your second paragraph to Thelma really resonates with me!

Anyway, I’m in bed a fair bit earlier than usual to try and read. Counsellor has recommended a book which I’ve been meaning to check out. If I approve, I will share! Crown Grin

(I do wish they’d get rid of the Santas and provided a better choice of emojis!)

Goodnight, precious people, have a good and restful night! xxx

simply4help · 23/01/2020 06:54

Someone I know once said to me the really good people are the ones that
end up with the bad ones after reading your stories and my own
life experiences I think she was right.
Sometimes we just want too see the good that we convince ourselves
they couldn't be that bad
You are all so uplifting that I feel I don't belong on here in fact I don't think I belong anywhere
I am like a scared child so lost and alone their isn't the kind of help I need out there i'm sorry for not answering some of the questions you have asked me
Being ill for so many years has taken it's toll energy level is so low
I can't think about what has to be done let alone do it
Although he added stress when my H was here inevitably him being here also removed so much stress by my not being alone
You are all so very kind but I know what lies ahead is far too much for me the loss is greater than anything I could of imagined
Coming from a time when people popped in on one another families were closer time seemed a bit slower with moments for reflection
I know he is out there having new experiences enjoying his life
for me the struggle is too much with all the will in the world I know I will never cope as each day arrives I just want it to be over
I don't add much on here because your uplifting spirits are incredible
and I don't wish to appear so downing
xxx

SuperbMonkey · 23/01/2020 07:02

@simply4help, just popping on to say that you are very welcome here. You do belong here. We help each other when our spirits are low. Just read along if you don’t feel like posting. That’s ok. You write well, and it helps to get your feelings down on virtual paper. You made it through yesterday. You will make it through today too xx

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 23/01/2020 07:58

Simply4Help, please don't think you don't belong here. I hate the reasons you find yourself here, but you can read, post if you like, or don't if you'd rather not, but there is support and comfort for you.

Don't worry about being a 'downer', we've all shared our bad times, as well as more positive feelings. It is such a rollercoaster and feeling part of this little community is very comforting. I hope you might find it so too. Much love to you.

SoTired, sometimes I don't post because I don't know quite where my head is, but it's lovely to know the warmth is here.

Thank you Superb. Although I have only just realised I don't tag anyone properly- I hope just putting the names is enough!

Love and strength, Warriors xx

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SuperbMonkey · 23/01/2020 08:42

@simply4help, please see how welcome you are. We are your virtual friends. Everything Bunnies says is right. You should read some of my posts. They are soooo miserable! And they will be miserable again. I’m having to be strong right now. I’m dragging that strength from my feet in the ground, up my body, and into my head. It is very hard. We know that your health problems make it even more difficult for you. Bigpooh13 understands what you are going through. It helps us to help each other. Sending you love and encouragement and I have sent you a PM.

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies 😀. It took me ages to work out how to mention people. Solving the problem was another small triumph.

Let’s adjust our suede Warrior Women suits (fake suede for vegans and vegetarians), grab our shields and poise our spears to attack the day. xx

Bigpooh13 · 23/01/2020 08:48

Absolutely amazing bunnies. Couldnt explain this roller coaster any better. When he left I felt like I had been sucked into a giant tornado and then dumped . Now it's the limbo. I'm not gonna rush descions as they are for the rest of my life. Not our life which was planned out. My life. What do I want to do and where do I want to be. ??????

SuperbMonkey · 23/01/2020 09:11

@Bigpooh13, having a break from a dull task to say that you sound epic this morning Grin

Bigpooh13 · 23/01/2020 09:24

Hmmm epic. Thanks. Just been really down recently. Gotta start a new life as cant carry on living like this. Still cant believe this is happening but it is . I would like to move away from all the pain. Start again somewhere new. I've got this far on my own. It's so strange for me not to be looking after anyone so gotta look after myself. We no longer have to look after them as they have regressed to former lifes and have to deal with that full of guilt. And hopefully skint. Haha.

SuperbMonkey · 23/01/2020 13:22

@SoTiredTonight, it was lovely to be called ‘precious people’ in your post yesterday evening. Thank you. I’m glad that you had a pleasant day. They are both allowed and encouraged 😀.

@Bigpooh13, you are epic because you are making plans, and can see some sort of different future. A new life, perhaps in a new place, is a good plan which you can modify as you go along. Your H must make his own way and from the history I suspect that it won’t be a very happy way.

My good news, first for a while, is that I got the part time role. I heard this morning. It has made me very happy, even though it is only one day a week. A confidence boost and a self-esteem nudge. Can’t say much more now, as I have to go to counselling. xx

ThelmaAndLouise2020 · 23/01/2020 13:46

Wow congratulations @SuperbMonkey StarStarStar Im so pleased for you Smile

SuperbMonkey · 23/01/2020 13:51

@ThelmaAndLouise2020, thank you so much. What I love about this thread is that we are happy for each others’ successes. It’s very, very refreshing. Arrived at counselling. I may be a gibbering jelly on my return xx

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