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Some friendly words - part 2. It's over.

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ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 30/10/2019 22:42

First of all I wanted to apologise to the lovely people who were so supportive on my original thread. I had it deleted because I had a weird 'outing' experience, but it doesn't matter now because this evening I had the phone call telling me it was definitely over.

I thought we had been making some progress trying to work things out, but no, it's done.

22 years destroyed in the space of a few months.

In his words, something just switched off. Which is nice.

I don't believe there is an OW, but I suspect there may well be shortly.

Moving away for a job, living in the village he grew up in which he had never wanted to leave originally, and where he now feels more at home than he has done in years. And yes, he did say that, although he did apologise when I pointed out that didn't make me feel super wonderful.

Too much time alone, too much time to dwell and gnaw at all the little things that weren't quite right, all the little niggles, and BOOM suddenly he's able to completely shut, bolt and nail the door up behind him,

And I am just broken. I know I am strong, I know I can get through this, but blimey, it is just, pain.

It seems such a dreadful waste. Ironically, if he hadn't got this job earlier in the year, we may well have been in Las Vegas now, celebrating 20 years of marriage, which is somewhere I'd always wanted to go, and we were going to splurge, irregardless of our not terribly healthy finances.

I just did not see this coming. I still believe our niggles, issues etc were eminently fixable. But fixing them needed someone who was present. And he evidently hasn't been for the past few months.

It seems to have happened very quickly in his head. There was a catalyst of moving within the village 2 months ago at which point it's like a light went out.

So we never had a chance really, he never said how he was feeling because there doesn't seem to have been a period of doubt, just love one day, nothing the next.

Have to work out how to tell the children (well, young adults).

As is so often the case, the one person I would turn to, talk to, the one person I could rely on to have my back, to make me feel better just by being there...is the very person who has broken me.

Of course I still love him. He's been my love, my person, my best friend for all this time, and to lose all of those is horrifying.

We 'got' each other so much, on so many levels just not having that is more than I feel I can bear. I feel like I'm bursting out of my skin.

When he first told me how he felt, and then when we were talking so I wasn't sure, but hoped there was a chance, I thought that limbo was bad, and actually knowing might feel better. It doesn't.

If anyone is there, please could you spare a moment.

I am very lucky, I have some wonderful friends, but at the moment I just can't go to bed and I feel, just, horrible.

Thank you

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SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 11:50

@Coughgate, I am so sorry to read your story. Have a look at chumplady if you haven’t already. I know that your situation is different because you have been brave and have decided to leave. You are strong! Lies are lies whatever they are about. Lying about money is financial abuse potentially. Have you spoken to women’s aid yet? They might be able to help you if there is financial abuse and give some advice on housing. They might be able to help you with legal advice too. You should never put up with lies for the sake of anyone, including your DC. Lies about money lead to disaster. My H lied to me about money and I have only just found out the extent of what he was hiding. It is just as much a betrayal of team Coughgate as an affair.

It may be that more lies come out of H’s mouth as time progresses. Men are good at shutting off their brains into compartments which is why he is moving on so quickly. Do not answer texts unless you have to (finance, children), answer grey rock (as boring and matter of fact as possible), and treat him professionally but with dignity. You can do this.

yogo · 08/01/2020 12:06

You lot are amazing. I wish you all a happier year.

Jacteller · 08/01/2020 12:12

Afternoon to you all,
@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies is right I think we are all in a slump, after being so positive and warrior women and we know it is to be expected, but it is hard some days it's like walking round with a million voices in your head and you get no peace.
I am so angry at h right now, I have to sell my jewellery to have enough money to live, and I feel like messaging h to say it, and ask as his wedding ring is here can I add it to the pile. Thanks to him being a wankbadger. I also feel like posting all over social media about it. I wont but I am tired of sitting all quiet whilst his image management is all out there to see, I wish I could tell the truth.
I am tired today and worried, just getting thru. But collectively together this thread keeps us all going. We didnt choose this life!

Bigpooh13 · 08/01/2020 12:25

Thanks @SuperbMonkey.
I have many skills I can use and I do look for work. But hard with health issues. I cant go in job center as that's where the whore works I've seen her slumped over the front desk a few times n not gone in..I currently have a sick note which allows me to get a small universal credit that helps abit. He can transfer money and did pay the morgage atleast this month. But still came around without any notice. Hes telling friends hes not paying anymore so that I get a job and then not dependant on him when he takes me to court. Arsehole. So its another game of his. I do appreciate your support. Limbo land. Solicitor is helping with trying to make him pay.

SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 12:35

@Jacteller, I am so, so sorry that you are having to sell your jewellery. Flowers. I feel sad for you. I would sell his wedding ring without asking him and keep the money for yourself, as he left it behind. Keep your pride intact.

@Bigpooh13, good for you and your solicitor. Start kicking some bottoms very, very hard. You are a warrior on a mission. She works at the job centre - you couldn’t make it up. I hope you get lucky with a job that you can do, even if unpaid.

@yogo, thanks for the praise. We need it!

caketimeisover · 08/01/2020 13:01

I've tried to cut off from ex completely (or as completely as you can when you have 3 v young children), and I'm finding this is helping me detach from him, let go of some of the pain and sadness. I've definitely got my defences right up - no talking about what's happened, talking about feelings or what's going on in his new fancy life. I don't need to know and I don't want to know. Going as no contact as possible is definitely starting to pay off in how I'm feeling.

That's not to say it doesn't hurt. That he could stop caring about me and treat me so badly, while at the same time building a new, fun relationship with someone I thought was a friend. Like you say @ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, how can they be all intimate and happy with OW now? I get feelings change, but why wouldn't you even try?Questions with no answers I guess (other than "because they are a shallow, needy DICKHEADS"). It's so hard not to feel like a failure sometimes, when I'm going to be a divorced mum of 3 (when the youngest is only just 1) and feel like people will go "wow she must have been such a crappy wife". Logically that is nonsense, I'd never think that of someone else in this situation, but sometimes that's where my brain goes. And deal with such an uncertain future. I thought I knew what my life was and now it's just... something completely else. With years ahead to look forward to of having to coparent (or parallel parent) with stupid ex too.

But! I was watching this crappy TV program the other night, and in it a couple got together after knowing each other a long time. It's all "ooo it was always you, isn't life wonderful, smooch smooch" and I couldn't help but think if that's what they're like when they're together - happy, in love, intimate, building their relationship etc etc. Started feeling sad, hurty heart, tears in my eyes and then thought - HANG ON! He walked out of a 14 year relationship, leaving behind 3 kids (including a baby). He lied, cheated, gaslighted and basically emotionally abused me while I was pregnant, left me at home with 2 kids and a newborn to go off shagging her and let me support, love and care for him, giving him everything while he was in a freaking relationship with someone else. She, even though she knows me and my kids and I thought we were friends, encouraged and enabled him to do this. VOMIT! They are horrible horrible people. No morals, no strength of character, no decency. Selfish and weak. Maybe they're star crossed lovers and were always meant to be (doubtful) but there was no need to go about it in this way. Maybe they can be happy together (although the bitter and twisted part of me really hopes not...) but that won't change the fact that they are gross. This is all stuff I have been told before, and have been telling myself too - but somehow I really felt it. And the tears stopped. So I have felt my heart harden a little bit in the last few days. Awaiting a slump, but even a tiny step forwards is heading in the right direction!

He also told me (via email) that he was "being made to feel marginalised" the other day (because I arranged childcare for an inset day without consulting him, ooo the cheek!). I struggled not to reply YOU MARGINALISED YOURSELF DICKHEAD!! And look more gaslighting - "poor me, I walked out on you and now you're making me feel bad, it's all your fault you horrible person". The denial is strong in this one. But it don't work no more. I'm priding myself at staying completely blameless in all of this. I won't give him the chance to put it on me. This is all on you dickhead.

Rise above, ladies, rise above.

Coughgate · 08/01/2020 13:02

@Superbmonkey Thankyou, I am just filled with so much regret and what ifs and even though there were lies and reasons to leave I never actually thought it would come to this. When people talk about financial abuse I see credit card debts wracking upto 20grand etc he had none of that, years ago he got a car on finance when he was young and stupid against my will it was for 18grand and he told me it was for 10grand not that that's ok but anyway that is in the past and examples lately are that he has a personal allowance each month which yes i know is weird and probs made him feel shit but to have free reign over the bank accounts i dont think would have been ok because he just dips into money and robs peter to pay paul, he just manages money badly, he would get his allowance and spend it really quickly owing money out for weed (disgusting and i turned a blind eye to that for the sake of the marriage) but it was things like he would give me £200 to put into the savings account, i would put it in a safe place until i went to the bank and then it would disappear and he would say its in his personal savings account account, then he would say he has leant it his friend from work. He would say to me as soon as this friend pays him back he will give me the money to live on as I was abit short with money, he kept on saying it and then it would turn out that he made the whole story up and never did lend it his friend and spent it himself but was so scared to tell me! I have had to forgive so much stuff like this and i left on Friday over the most pathetic lie and now can't help but blame myself!!! I am going to the local council soon to find out about housing, we were meant to be buying a house this year and now im homeless! It would be easier to just carry on our lives as before let me take the lying at least the kids would have a happy family!! It should be a choice if i want to stay or not but because i got angry and took my rings off he said i have done this and it's my choice! We said we still love eachother but he doesnt want the kids to go through this again, i know it sounds like he is being good which i suppose he is but my family think he is doing it to dig the knife in to me as all he keeps ringing me about his plans, car insurance, what days he will see the kids etc, how can he make plans when all i can do is sob!! I told him I don't want this but just want him to change but he is pushing on in a stubborn but calm way! Whereas im shouting down the phone asking why he isnt fighting for the marriage etc

Grumblina · 08/01/2020 13:40

You are all so strong and amazing. I took my engagement ring off immediately when I found out before Christmas. Now I’m left with a stupid mark around my finger that won’t go away and is a constant reminder of the relationship I knew. Woke up to a text from him asking if I am ok. No I’m fucking not ok. My 13 year old should not be having to hold his mum while she sobs.like I suspected he’s starting to drop suggestions of him coming home eventually.
I need to find the strength to move on

SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 14:13

@caketimeisover, you sound strong and mighty! Those who know you will know too that you are not a crap wife. You don’t need those who believe his lies in your life. He has failed, as a husband and a father, and as a man. Of course feelings change, but you work at it together. That’s what adults and role models to their children do. I’m not watching romantic stuff as it is triggering. I’m choosing not to go there, but from what you say perhaps I should. It seems to have inspired anger in you. When the inevitable slump happens it will be more shallow than the last time (a bit like the cheating Hs). The self-pity is priceless isn’t it?

The self-pity is comical. Teflon people, nothing sticks! As you say, he marginalised himself so what does he expect.

@Coughgate, I feel so much for your situation. Please contact woman’s aid as well. You have been financially abused and that’s important when you come to sort out a home for your DC and money for the future. This man does not love you, he is an immature child not a suitable life partner. He doesn’t want to fight for the marriage because you hold a mirror up to him and he can see what a feeble person he is. Please don’t wait for 10 years and then decide that you should leave him. Be brave and look after yourself and your kids.

@Grumblina, is it possible that he is worried that you will report that he held a knife to your throat (which I think you mentioned he had done)? If someone does that to you it is a mistake to go back. You will be placing yourself in danger. Please contact women’s aid too.

Target for today, send off a job application and work on a project. Making progress when I’m not on here. xx

caketimeisover · 08/01/2020 15:39

Thought this seemed appropriate!

Some friendly words - part 2. It's over.
SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 16:11

@caketimeisover 😀

Coughgate · 08/01/2020 16:55

Thankyou superbmonkey

Grumblina · 08/01/2020 17:27

He never physically threatened me, he held it to his own throat

Jacteller · 08/01/2020 17:33

@SuperbMonkey well that's done and got a pittance, it was horrible and I never ever want to be in this situation again. But i have bought food for us and can afford a school trip now. Didnt contact wankbadger and didnt sell his ring. My treat tonight fresh bedding i am so looking forward to getting into bed tonight and let this day go

Bigpooh13 · 08/01/2020 17:44

It's just all so sad . Unreal. I feel for everyone. I'm too embarrassed and humiliated. I people saying my God she must be bad to be left for that thing. To give up everything for an ex that dumped ya. Great thanks. I've also been selling clothes ,shoes, jewelry anything to help. What a bunch of total jerk assess.

SoTiredTonight · 08/01/2020 18:11

@Grumblina I meant to write yesterday after reading your initial post, but I’ve get up and go whatsoever. Feel like I’m barely functioning and anxiety is sky high last couple days. Your post touched a nerve with me as it sounds like an ex from many moons ago. The unbridled aggression, punching things. The knife is totally unnerving. I’m begging you, please do not let him back. He sounds dangerous. And for calling you those names, you should not even give another thought to him. You’ve taken the first step, don’t waiver now, end it for good. He would physically harm you sooner or later, given the level of aggression he displays. You’re worth so much more.

To all you other ladies, I’m reading along but feel that I’m losing track of what’s been said, then feel I’m not in a position to reply coherently. I hope this is just a phase, I have no concentration and am so on edge every waking minute. And sleep isn’t great either so I feel shattered. You are all a great comfort to me. Flowers

Jacteller · 08/01/2020 18:22

@SoTiredTonight you do whatever you need to get thru, even if its just reading on here, we are all stood beside you.
@BigPooh13 I just cant believe that any person with morals would do this. We had many conversations over the years and h was disgusted when other people had been in that situation bit when reality hits h does it anyway and justifies it, in his own way. Whilst I am at home doing the real trench work it is just so unjust. Trying to keep a brave face on for the kids and not let them see how much the financial worry is getting to me. It's horrible the things we have to do, but I hope that one day we will abe be rewarded for our efforts. Until that day comes and no matter how low I go. I know that the support from this thread will get me over it.

SoTiredTonight · 08/01/2020 19:10

Thank you @Jac, means a lot! Flowers

SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 19:13

Right everyone. We are slumping into a swamp of dismay and negativity. Tomorrow is another day and we need to stay focused on what we want to achieve. This is about us and the DC where we have them. Our husbands and partners have proved themselves to be liars, cheats, and very poor specimens of mankind. We can’t let ourselves be defeated by them because we are better than that. Let’s pull up our big girl pants and make tomorrow a much better day. Warrior on everyone.

Bigpooh13 · 08/01/2020 19:42

My favourite expression. Big girl pants up. After the phone call from him today . Didnt like my solicitor letter. I think I'm the fly up his ass.

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 08/01/2020 20:57

Superb, thank you. I certainly do feel loved and valued here. Your posts are always so kind and insightful and you have a dignity that just shines through your words. I had another telephone counselling session today which was all about forward planning. Starting off with planning small things, including a mix of chores and nice things day by day. Although a slump can come at any time, there seems to be a pattern where I start feeling low towards the end of work, then sit around in the evening (if dd doesn’t join me) and poke around on Facebook and other sites feeling miserable. So instead I might plan to, say, put a wash on, put some stuff away that’s littering the living room, then have a read for an hour. Just simple things like that. So schedule and stick to it, to get into new routines. Then add in some bigger things to look forward to. So drinks at the end of the week with friends. Gradually adding in some harder things – like listening to some music, which I haven’t been able to do. Sounds quite interesting.

You are right that grief is healing and we should allow ourselves to feel this, and feel refreshed afterwards.

Sending strength back to you, newuser – we all deserve a brighter future, and sharing is such a helpful part of the process.

TheoneandObi – very much appreciate your support.

Turmoil, I’m glad you’re getting comfort – I think it’s a real ‘virtuous circle’ - getting such a lot of support from all of you is such a help, and trying to give it back is also helping – makes for a real sense of community and safety in such a shitty time.

The Hopium is a bastard. I’m seeing everything he’s done for the horror show it is, but seem to have 2 parallel dialogues. One still wanting to go back in time and be with my person, the other wanting him to come back to me, despite the fact I don’t know how I could maintain any self-respect if he did, and I took him back. I guess that’s the difference between what you know, and what you feel.

Coughgate, What Superb says is very true. There are many forms of betrayal – and you have to turn it around. The root of the problem is not you being unable to put up with the lies any more, it is that there were lies in the first place. There is no blame on you at all. You have made a strong decision.

I think it’s natural to incline towards self-blame, especially when someone we have always loved, respected and trusted is telling us it’s our fault! Making that mindshift is a huge undertaking as we are so blindsided by the change in that person that the world no longer makes sense.

Thank you too yogo!

Jacteller – yes! The many voices telling you so many different things! To be honest it’s astounding we are all still standing, slump or not. I am so sorry about your financial situation, that is really hard. And God, the social media posts I write in my head. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned is so, so right! I have surprised myself by my vindictiveness. And I am enjoying in a sick way talking through H’s crapness with friends with much venom and obscenities. But none of that is for the ‘general public’. I intend remaining dignified – the contrast between that and his words and actions says more than I could ever hope to achieve. He is a wankbadger. I am a dignified, if a bit slumpy, Warrior Woman!

Glad the no contact is starting to pay dividends, caketime. Shallow, needy Dickheads pretty much sums it up. I am sorry you have the added hurt of it being a friend. And yes, the wondering about how others see you is part of that gift of humiliation the Dickheads have given us. Might not be logical, but not much in my head is at the moment! I am glad you got a real sense of them as gross. I don’t think any true happiness can come from something based on self-delusion.

Enjoy your nice fresh bed. You’re much better than me, I haven’t changed mine for a while – slattern! You had to do something horrible today, and you did it. That is a massive achievement.

Funny, isn’t it, Jac – my H was a massive snob and not only did he sort of look down on the people and life he is now enthusiastically embracing, but he would have turned his nose up at the Jeremy-Kyle-esque behaviour he’s now exhibiting!

Bigpooh, I think the memories are there for them. In the same way that I think they know on some level how nonsensical and awful they have been. And the reason they keep blabbing on either blaming or talking bullshit is because if they stopped, if they allowed some ‘quiet’ in, they would have to face themselves, which Must Not Be Allowed.

And echoing what I said to Jac – no! Don’t go there with thinking people will be looking askance at you. H’s new (old) woman is older than me (and looks older), not as attractive (blowing my own trumpet, although I’m no oil painting), not intelligent etc. That he picked her as part of his pathetic, regressive nostalgia-fest is no reflection on me. I can’t possibly compete with ‘lost youth’. It reflects solely on him and his complete inability to face the realities of growing older, having to work at worthwhile things and accepting life may not turn out how you envisaged. Trying to recapture his youth, throwing away the fabulousness of me and the life we had (and it was fabulous, despite the usual niggles of a 20-odd year relationship) just makes him a massive bellend. And people will see that. Most people are pretty decent. And they will react as you,as we, have done, because decent people don’t do those things.

Grumbelina, you sound so strong yourself.

SoTired, I think not being able to concentrate, losing track is all part of the process. Waffling on here is a big part of my ‘release’, if you like. I like words, as you may have noticed! We all post in the way that helps us best. Just soak up the love and support and I hope you get better sleep tonight.

A very timely chivvying, Superb! I’m trying to work out if my big girl pants should go on over my dragonscale armour, like Superman, or underneath Smile

I have eaten, I am going to have a read, then pull together stuff for the solicitor’s appointment I have finally made for tomorrow. Am very nervous.

Blimey. We have all had such shit thrown at us, but we have humour, kindness and determination – we are mighty! Much love to you all.

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Bigpooh13 · 08/01/2020 21:16

@smallboxof. You are amazing. Such words describe it all. Offering your support to others when in the mist of this nightmare. Still in the I dont understand stage but I will never understand this. I too know that if one of his mates had done this he would be crushing them . He is very critical about other people relationships .
Gud luck with solicitor its horrible tell him every thing financial you know.

SuperbMonkey · 08/01/2020 21:20

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, totally awesome post. Brilliantly written and using the right word every time. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Have a good read! I like your counsellor’s idea and am going to think about it carefully. Will write more tomorrow. Sleep well all. We are a day nearer our new lives.

SoTiredTonight · 08/01/2020 21:47

Wow, @Bunnies, what a post! You inspire me! As do @Bigpooh13 and @SuperbMonkey, and undoubtedly others too. I am starting to look forward to reading you ladies’ posts, your dignified ramblings and cursing of Wankbadgers (my fave Grin ) cheer me up much! Wink
I also like words but find it difficult to put them down when I’m in this mode. Have an amazing therapist though who gets the verbal version of anything I can’t quite manage to put into coherent writing in my current frame of mind.

You mention the difference between what you know and what you feel. Ah yes, cognitive dissonance the old MOFO. Know it only too well. My situation is slightly different to those of you who have already split and/or been left for OW, but so much is also similar. And it’s certainly a mess whichever way you look at it.

Hope you all have a restful night! Flowers

SoTiredTonight · 08/01/2020 21:49

It took me ages to type that and when I posted, @SuperbMonkey had already said pretty much what i had been thinking. Grin